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Old 10-20-2012, 02:31 PM   #21
 
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Okay - will try those!
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So some good news - I am experiementing with a few new products and liked the Sevi Pumpkin seed condish (though as a LI with KCCC over it, I did get a little dry the second day and the over all look was stringy curls).

But OMG - Curly Kinks CurlyCue Renew is Amazing. Love my soft curls. The minute I put it on my hair, knots melted and my hair is SOOO soft. Though it has this and I'm not sure what this is

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Old 10-24-2012, 01:11 PM   #23
 
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every.single.one.

Hydrolyzed protein almost ruined my hair! My hair even reacts to coconut oil, aloe vera and avocado oil, wheat germ oil, hempseed oil..etc...I had to drop AOHSR when I realized it was making my hair brittle. I can tolerate TN moisture as DC but not as a leave in. Even as a DC, it helps but it still leaves my hair slightly brittle and dry thanks to the AV and Avocado oil. Reading this forum, I now know my protein sensitivity is on the extreme side. It is what it is..

I recently found products that my hair likes and doesn't react to and I'm so happy. I now know I'll never ever be a PJ, my hair will never allow me to be hehe..
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lulu - I'm thinking I'm the same - I still question coconut, avocado, aloe -

But I'm finding stuff that's good for now and will fine-tune a little more when I can broaden my range of products first.

Anyway, what did you find works? What are your hair properties?
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I'd guess the high level of coconut oil in the first one, and the panthenol in the second one.
I was wondering about panthenol....I thought that was supposed to be moisturizing.

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I believe my hair dislikes wheat protein.

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I can go about 3 times using a proteins hair shampoo or condish, or design item, before my locks goes haywire - basically ;p first day of proteins, locks likes it. Second day, have to rewash...no second day locks outcomes. third day, locks goes limp; day 4, locks goes lifeless, gummy; day 5 - lifeless, gummy and oily - day 6, immediate hay, when I implement the item. Literally flash-dries my locks. These are healthy proteins we can take them for the shed body weight......
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:04 PM   #28
 
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Can anyone here use amino acids?

I read that they're good for protein sensitive hair because supposedly they are a less intense form of protein that will help with moisture renention.

I'm trying to overhaul my current routine to incorperate more natural yet protein free products; I'm almost there, but the Aubrey b5 gel I planned on getting has amino acids

My hair still has not fully recovered from protein overload so I have no idea which individual proteins aggravate it.
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I had aubrey b5 gel my first month of CG and used it up but I'm thinking in retrospect my hair may've been sensitive to those amino acids because it looked better once I used straight up kinky curly which is protein free. I can't tell for sure though. Some of that might've been my hair getting healthier and looking better over time.

This is a great idea for a thread. Figuring out hair and protein sensitivity is a tedious business. I really want to know everything now now now but it's a process of deduction/elimination so I know it'll take a while. So far I know my hair likes/doesn't seem to mind silk protein because it loves the SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie and it also doesn't mind soy protein if it's further down the ingredient list because my hair also loves Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle Conditoner. I don't consider panthenol a protein but I know from SM's Moisture Retention Shampoo and Restorative Conditioner those are OK. As for coconut oil, my hair likes it, but I didn't know coconut oil was a protein. I just thought it strengthened I think the already existing protein within the hair strand. But I guess I could see how that might be a problem is your hair already has a lot of protein in it naturally.

As for what my hair hates, I think it hates the wheat/oat/soy peptides in the devacurl gel along with the hops. Boy is it hard to tell with that gel because it has so much protein in it! I also think my hair hates the hydrolyzed wheat protein in the the argan ecostyler. Both of these products dry out my hair so much it isn't worth using them even though they do make my hair look nice enough. If I do use them I don't leave them in for more than a day and it's once a week at most. I may give them away.

Question: Is the silk protein in my SMCES hydrolyzed do you think? It must be in order for them to be able to put it into the product and for the hair to be able to absorb it. . . But then it isn't listed as such. Same question goes for the soy protein in the TJ TTT Conditioner?
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Can anyone here use amino acids?

I read that they're good for protein sensitive hair because supposedly they are a less intense form of protein that will help with moisture renention.

I'm trying to overhaul my current routine to incorperate more natural yet protein free products; I'm almost there, but the Aubrey b5 gel I planned on getting has amino acids

My hair still has not fully recovered from protein overload so I have no idea which individual proteins aggravate it.
I like the b5 gel, it works for me.

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I had aubrey b5 gel my first month of CG and used it up but I'm thinking in retrospect my hair may've been sensitive to those amino acids because it looked better once I used straight up kinky curly which is protein free. I can't tell for sure though. Some of that might've been my hair getting healthier and looking better over time.

This is a great idea for a thread. Figuring out hair and protein sensitivity is a tedious business. I really want to know everything now now now but it's a process of deduction/elimination so I know it'll take a while. So far I know my hair likes/doesn't seem to mind silk protein because it loves the SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie and it also doesn't mind soy protein if it's further down the ingredient list because my hair also loves Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle Conditoner. I don't consider panthenol a protein but I know from SM's Moisture Retention Shampoo and Restorative Conditioner those are OK. As for coconut oil, my hair likes it, but I didn't know coconut oil was a protein. I just thought it strengthened I think the already existing protein within the hair strand. But I guess I could see how that might be a problem is your hair already has a lot of protein in it naturally.

As for what my hair hates, I think it hates the wheat/oat/soy peptides in the devacurl gel along with the hops. Boy is it hard to tell with that gel because it has so much protein in it! I also think my hair hates the hydrolyzed wheat protein in the the argan ecostyler. Both of these products dry out my hair so much it isn't worth using them even though they do make my hair look nice enough. If I do use them I don't leave them in for more than a day and it's once a week at most. I may give them away.

Question: Is the silk protein in my SMCES hydrolyzed do you think? It must be in order for them to be able to put it into the product and for the hair to be able to absorb it. . . But then it isn't listed as such. Same question goes for the soy protein in the TJ TTT Conditioner?
Your hair sounds pretty similar to my hair and what it likes and dislikes....although I regularly use AOb5 gel. Wheats and oats are a no no and it seems to do well with silk protein. It doesn't like aloe much. It's very hard to narrow the likes and dislikes down though.

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I think my hair likes aloe (isn't it in the design gel or am I misremembering that?) although someone told me it's a humectant so I might want to watch out and only apply it to sopping wet hair. Yeah somebody else informed me humectants work best on very wet hair. Otherwise they get hungry and dry you out, but they're safe if used correctly. I tried to experiment with my ecostyler again but I honestly think it's the protein that must be drying me out in that department more than the glycerin. Between the semi arid climate I live in and the protein sensitivities and the high porosity which might mean I crave a bit of protein but at the same time also means I have dry hair naturally I'm just all . But it's okay. I've got a handful of HG products already and I'm blessed with curls so it's all good. Besides at least being wary of proteins means we can't be as hardcore junkies as the rest of the curlies. See we come full circle!
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In my opinion its depend on hair type.we can't say that only one oil is perfect for all hair types.
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In my opinion its depend on hair type.we can't say that only one oil is perfect for all hair types.
????? Yeah, I'm sure we all know that. Btw, we're discussing proteins.

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I hate yogurt. Makes my hair hard and, which to me is even worse, causes some hair to lose curl pattern and to stay upright in the midst of my curly fro.
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I can't tolerate wheat protein at all, but ironically wheat germ is okay. Maybe it's not a protein? My hair likes keratin the best, but it can tolerate soy, oat or silk protein if it's at or near the end of the ingredient list. I have to be careful how much I use though. If I alternate with moisture heavy, protein free products then that works best. After I first realized I was protein sensitive, I really had to focus on using those protein free moisture products for a few months before my hair recovered. Now I have been able to add some protein in small amounts, but I am very cautious. I am constantly switching up my rotation and have found some products that I love.....but I have a ton of products in my arsenal that I can't use. I'm currently learning the art of swapping....
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I haven't really gone through a whole list of proteins yet, but what works for me so far is Soy (like what's in my VO5 conditioner). Wheat, on the other hand, seems to dry my hair out. I have to switch shampoos because last time I used it my hair was really dry, not to mention a frizzy mess. It was bouncy too but not the right kind. My deep conditioner didn't even seem to work when I put it on my hair. I'm going to try the Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter shampoo and see what that does.

I cheated after I realized what wheat did to me and used a shampoo containing sulfates (the oils I'm using on my hair are starting to make it smell weird, and I didn't want to go out and buy a new shampoo right away). It has a lot of oils in it which seemed to make my hair soft, but that must have just been because I used silicones because when I used it last, my hair felt rubbery and weird. It contained jojoba, and IIRC that acts like proteins so I'm guessing my hair doesn't like that either.

I know my hair doesn't like coconut. When I used coconut oil my hair would feel dry when I would rinse the stuff out the next morning.

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Wheat, Jojoba, Coconut. My hair doesn't have a problem with Soy though.
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I also love the CJ Curl Rehab during the summer. My hair craves moisture year round, but I live in a fairly wet climate so I really need extra moisture in the summer. I also found that I can use KCCC mixed 50/50 with Aubrey Organics Mandarin Magic moisturizing jelly. It's one of my new HG's! I do still use a moisturizing leave in underneath though. I also do fine with products that have coconut in them, but not coconut oil by itself. My hair likes Keratin the best and it hates wheat protein completely. I love the Curly Kinks products, but my hair reacted to the glycerin. If you can still tolerate the DC in that line, you will probably like the other products she has available. I really like Camille Rose Naturals Curl Love Moisture Milk. With my lo po fine hair I have to use it sparingly because it is fairly oil heavy. I can't remember if I posted before that once I figured out that glycerin was a no-no, I could start adding a little of the weaker proteins as long as I only use them about 2-3 times a month as a rinse out. But wheat is still never good for me! I hope you figure out what works for you soon! It's taken me almost a year to finally figure out what works for me the best.
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