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brimom19 06-18-2013 04:50 PM

Child with protein sensitive, low porosity hair! Help please!
 
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My 8 year old has low porosity hair that is protein sensitive. I am positive about the LP part, but not 100% sure about protein sensitive. She is 100% natural 4c hair. It is very dry even though I deep condition weekly and re-moisterize every other day. I have just recently discovered protein sensitive info. And need products suggestions. I have tried Shea Moisture curl smoothie, EVOO, coconut oil, Shea butter, but they seem to sit on her hair. This is all before thinking that she was protein sensitive. Please advise. Attachment 36549

kathymack 06-18-2013 06:38 PM

My hair is low porosity. The SM Smoothie just sits on my hair, too. I use a lot of really rich products with not problem. The Smoothie is too heavy, rather than rich--if you get the difference. My hair LOVES protein. Never met a protein it didn't like. I do at least one PT a week and use a lot of products with protein.

If you're looking for a drugstore brand that might work, a lot of folks love the Yes To products (carrots, tomato, cucumber and blueberry.) You can buy them at places like Whole Foods, Walgreens, etc. Their website has a list.

multicultcurly 06-18-2013 06:55 PM

She may have coarse hair and that is why protein doesn't work. I have LP hair but on the medium coarse side. I only use products with protein high on the list maybe four times during the year and that is during winter. Most of my products don't have protein. For drugstore conditioners try Tresseme Naturals moisturizing conditioner. Maybe add a little olive or grapeseed oil for slip.

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brimom19 06-18-2013 07:02 PM

Her hair is DEFINeTLY coarse and super super thick. I may try yes to carrots... I've heard good things about tresseme and may try that as well.

multicultcurly 06-18-2013 07:04 PM

I use more expensive products but you may be able to find cheaper alternatives. I love Jessicurl's Too Shea conditioner, spiral solutions deeply decadent treatment, marc Anthony macadamia oil conditioner (has a water soluble cone), curl junkie curl rehab, Aubrey organics honeysuckle rose conditioner. Most of my conditioners have Shea butter but the products are the consistency of a lotion with medium viscosity so they are easy to smooth on. I also leave some of my rinse out conditioner in.

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brimom19 06-19-2013 12:24 AM

I don't mind paying for products that work. If the more expensive one works then that is what I want, but I have bought some expensive conditioners that didn't. The tricky part is finding the right products for my three girls. They all have different hair types. One is 3b, fine textured, the oldest is 3c and 4a medium texture, and the one I was just asking about is 4c coarse. So I have three different heads of hair and three different regimens.

secret_karma 06-19-2013 04:46 AM

I avoid most products with shea butter all together as leave ins/moisturizers. I moisturize and seal everyday sometimes twice a day. Moisturizers that work for me are Kinky Curly Knot Today, Oyin Hair Dew & Pura Body Naturals Mura Mura Moisture Milk or Aloe Vera Juice mixed with a little evoo. All these products do not include glycerin because I live in a very humid climate. If it's not humid where you live you can also look for products with humectants. To seal I like oils that absorb quickly and don't leave my hair feeling greasy: argan oil, sapote oil, apricot oil, grapeseed oil.

misbehave 06-21-2013 05:28 PM

I have low porosity, coarse, extremely protein sensitive hair and it is has taken a lot of trial and error to find products that don't make my hair feel straw-like and matted. In my (possibly biased) opinion it's one of the hardest combinations of hair to find products for, probably not helped by the fact that I am also avoiding parabens. You may not have seen my reply to Fluffy's thread but if you have forgive me if I repeat myself.

I can't use the products you mentioned either: Shea Moisture, EVOO, or coconut oil. Also, be warned, nearly every deep conditioner treatment I know of has protein in it, or at least ingredients that have given me the same reaction as protein. Some people call these "hidden proteins" or "protein analogues" but I am no chemist/biologist and have no idea what they really are.

Not sure if you can see my signature but these are the protein free products I like best:

Co wash:
Suave Clarifying Conditioner
Suave Sun Ripened Strawberry (this has glycerin so should be used in low dewpoints and with a sealer)

RO:
Tresemme Naturals (sometimes I skip this if I have enough slip from the co wash). I've heard the formula has changed though.

Sealer:
apricot oil. I'm going to try grape seed oil soon.
I have to seal. Every. Single. Time. Or my hair looks like crap.

Be sure her stylers don't have protein either. That has messed me up and set me back before. Note it may take some time for her to get moisturized and for her hair to start feeling better if she has been over-proteined.
Stylers:
4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream which is on my list to try.
And okra gel occasionally which you can easily make at home. It makes my hair look great but I'm afraid of getting "over-proteined" from using it too much.
I also like L'Oreal Everstyle gel which I can use IF I don't get it too close to my scalp or it will itch. But your daughter's scalp may not be as sensitive to it as I am.

I'm also using a hard water filter that I got on Amazon to cut minerals and make my hair (and skin) feel softer.

Good luck!! Sounds like you have your hands full! ;-)

iadem86 12-12-2013 04:59 PM

Hello,

I have been natural for almost 2 years now and have also experienced a lot of trial and error and frustrations during my hair journey as I have, low porosity, protein sensitive, very coarse and high density hair!

I have finally found some products and techniques to help me moisturize my hair:

Leave ins: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk, Giovanni Direct Leave in, Karens Body Beautiful Sweet Ambrosia, Yes to Carrots/Cucumbers

Shampoos/Cleansing Conditioners: Curl Junkie Daily Fix (The best), Sheal Moisture Curl & Shine Shampoo, Deva Curl No Poo

Deep Conditioners: Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose

Also, I seal with either Olive oil or Grapeseed oil.

Always use heat with deep conditioners and also do the baggy method occassionally during the week with my leave in. Also, I noticed with I cover my head with a silk scarf at night after moisturzing it traps the moisture in my hair as opposed to having nothing on youre head and just sleeping on a satin/silk pillow case because with low porosity hair it is hard to penetrate the hair shaft so you have to force it it either with heat to open up the follicles or a scarf.

Hope this helps :)

wavydaze 12-18-2013 07:59 PM

Hey there! I don't know if Jessiebanana is around but she is low-porosity and protein sensitive (but has fine hair). You may want to look in her siggy I think she uses Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin rinseout and CJ Smoothing Lotion (?) leave-in. I think those could definitely work for your daughter. I'd recommend using a leave-in if her hair is super dry.

Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin Seed Moisturizing Conditioner - CurlMart

Natural Curl Care | Curl Junkie | Curly Hair Products | Hair Conditioner | Curl Assurance Smoothing Lotion

Oils and butters don't really moisturize or condition, rather lock in the moisture. If she's low-porosity, I wouldn't really pick products that are oil/butter heavy as they won't absorb (as is happening). Oils/butter heavy products are more beneficial for high-porosity hair, but not as much for low-porosity hair. My hair is on the low end of the porosity spectrum and I avoid products with butters or oils in the first few ingredients.

wavydaze 12-18-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brimom19 (Post 2182015)
I don't mind paying for products that work. If the more expensive one works then that is what I want, but I have bought some expensive conditioners that didn't. The tricky part is finding the right products for my three girls. They all have different hair types. One is 3b, fine textured, the oldest is 3c and 4a medium texture, and the one I was just asking about is 4c coarse. So I have three different heads of hair and three different regimens.

Oh dear!


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