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Old 06-19-2013, 06:49 AM   #1
 
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Default What do you use for a conditioner that is protein and glycerin free?

Seems like everything has some form of protein in it...even my beloved Yes to Carrots. I think it might be what's messing me up recently.

However, finding a protein free glycerin free conditioner is posing quite a problem...I'd appreciate any recs. Thank you!
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I think some of the VO5s are protein and glycerine free. You can search in CurlMart by those properties. Double check the ingredients of any that you're considering, though. Once in a while the attributes aren't quite right.
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Why don't you like glycerin? I have heard people that love and some that don't. I have never used it. My daughter is lopo and protein sensitive... Is glycerin a no no for her?
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I'm in a high dewpoint area...some say glycerin attracts moisture to the hair causing frizz especially in high dewpoints. If you're in a low dewpoint area I don't think it would be as much of a problem.
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I think some of the VO5s are protein and glycerine free. You can search in CurlMart by those properties. Double check the ingredients of any that you're considering, though. Once in a while the attributes aren't quite right.
You're right! I found this list on NC:

Protein and glycerin free product list

However I know CJ Argan Oil condish has some undesirables in it, yet it's on the list. Still a good reference, though, if doublechecked. I will check V05 too! THanks!
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Has glycerin and protein....checked today. That list I posted earlier has inaccuracies as well.
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its so hard to even find an accurate ingredients list. there is NO way I can see some of the lables in the stores, so I always look online first.

Last night I bought Tressemme Naturals Volume conditioner. I was using the Moisture one but they moved the aloe WAY up and it has destroyed my hair. Now looking for a DT without tons of stuff and can't find a thing.
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its so hard to even find an accurate ingredients list. there is NO way I can see some of the lables in the stores, so I always look online first.
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Old 06-21-2013, 04:54 PM   #11
 
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Fluffy,

I have had a nightmare of a time trying to find products that don't give me that straw-like reaction. I've tried A LOT of the products listed in the thread you posted and found I'm extremely sensitive to many ingredients in "protein free" products, including plant extracts and coconut. I've heard people refer to them as "hidden proteins" or "protein analogues" but whatever they are they give me the same nasty matted hair as the regular hydrolyzed proteins. You may have to experiment a bit to find what works for you.

Not sure if you can see my signature but these are the protein free conditioners I'm currently using without glycerin.

Co wash: Suave Clarifying Conditioner
RO: Tresemme Naturals (sometimes I skip this if I have enough slip from the co wash). I've heard the formula has changed though, I think we all need to revolt!

Be sure your stylers don't have protein either. That has messed me up before. I'm also using a hard water filter that I got on Amazon to cut minerals.

Hope that helps! Good luck!
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Oh man, I feel your pain on having the 'straw-like' hair reaction. I used to think that was how my hair naturally was, because it was ALWAYS dry and dead-feeling, no matter what I did to it. Now I've started to think that I definitely have a protein sensitivity. It's odd too, since I've been reading that most fine haired curly girls are not protein sensitive but I guess i'm one of the unlucky few who happens to have the double whammy of having baby fine hair and a protein sensitivity. I also can't use products with glycerin either, and as a final coup de grace, I live right near the beach where summer fog and damp days are common.

I've been using the Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner as my RO for months now and I love it. I cannot believe they changed the formula, that infuriates me. It is one of the rare things that has actually worked. Luckily I still have a huge bottle of it left in my shower, and I can always try the Suave Clarifying Conditioner when and if I run out.

What stylers do you like? Lately this has been my biggest hurdle. My curls simply refuse to define themselves and 2 day hair is a myth. I'm convinced it doesn't exist, haha.
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Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues
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I use tresemme naturals, and Shea Moisture conditioner (Raw Shea line)

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Hey you guys...I am new here...haven't yet started...but I want to start things off right. After some research, I'm pretty sure I need to stay away from both glycerin and protein. So thanks very much for this thread. I'm really glad to see inexpensive drugstore brands that I can try while I'm still wary of making a huge investment in this.
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Oh man, I feel your pain on having the 'straw-like' hair reaction. I used to think that was how my hair naturally was, because it was ALWAYS dry and dead-feeling, no matter what I did to it. Now I've started to think that I definitely have a protein sensitivity. It's odd too, since I've been reading that most fine haired curly girls are not protein sensitive but I guess i'm one of the unlucky few who happens to have the double whammy of having baby fine hair and a protein sensitivity. I also can't use products with glycerin either, and as a final coup de grace, I live right near the beach where summer fog and damp days are common.

I've been using the Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner as my RO for months now and I love it. I cannot believe they changed the formula, that infuriates me. It is one of the rare things that has actually worked. Luckily I still have a huge bottle of it left in my shower, and I can always try the Suave Clarifying Conditioner when and if I run out.

What stylers do you like? Lately this has been my biggest hurdle. My curls simply refuse to define themselves and 2 day hair is a myth. I'm convinced it doesn't exist, haha.
Hi Curlymetalgirl!

I know, I have my fingers crossed that the new Tresemme formula will be okay. I find if I use the old forumla too regularly my hair gets a coated like feeling. But nothing beats the slip. Maybe the new formula corrects for that "coatedness". Positive thinking!

Okra gel makes my hair look so amazing. But because it is a plant I am afraid to use it too often and potentially get overproteined so I only use it for special occasions. My second fave and everyday styler is 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. I get it at Sally's. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream that I may try. I don't have an afro but the ingredients look good so I was glad I checked it out.

Are you sealing at all? I find I HAVE to seal before applying my styler. I use apricot oil. Grapeseed oil is on my list to try.

I wonder if the Tresemme is adding to your lack of definition? When I first started using it my hair felt...straighter or something. It's doing better now that I have a rotation of products.

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Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues
Yes, I hate coconut anything! I can't even use poos with coco betaine because my hair has a hissy fit. Pulling clumps out must've been super scary! During the start of my journey my hair matted up in one big clump and I feared I would have to shave it. That's when I found Tresemme actually. Protein sensitivity can have nasty consequences if you're on the extreme end (which I am).

Are you doing treatments with the olive oil or sealing? My fussy hair didn't care for olive oil. I don't really do any deep treatments but I seal religiously.

It's definitely a lot of trial and error but it sure does help to find a hair twin. Good luck! And keep me posted if you find anything you like that I should know about!
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Sealer: apricot oil
Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
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Suave naturals Everlasting Sunshine
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Have you tried GVP conditioning balm? It does contain Propylene Glycol which is a humectant though.
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Oh man, I feel your pain on having the 'straw-like' hair reaction. I used to think that was how my hair naturally was, because it was ALWAYS dry and dead-feeling, no matter what I did to it. Now I've started to think that I definitely have a protein sensitivity. It's odd too, since I've been reading that most fine haired curly girls are not protein sensitive but I guess i'm one of the unlucky few who happens to have the double whammy of having baby fine hair and a protein sensitivity. I also can't use products with glycerin either, and as a final coup de grace, I live right near the beach where summer fog and damp days are common.

I've been using the Tresseme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner as my RO for months now and I love it. I cannot believe they changed the formula, that infuriates me. It is one of the rare things that has actually worked. Luckily I still have a huge bottle of it left in my shower, and I can always try the Suave Clarifying Conditioner when and if I run out.

What stylers do you like? Lately this has been my biggest hurdle. My curls simply refuse to define themselves and 2 day hair is a myth. I'm convinced it doesn't exist, haha.
Hi Curlymetalgirl!

I know, I have my fingers crossed that the new Tresemme formula will be okay. I find if I use the old forumla too regularly my hair gets a coated like feeling. But nothing beats the slip. Maybe the new formula corrects for that "coatedness". Positive thinking!

Okra gel makes my hair look so amazing. But because it is a plant I am afraid to use it too often and potentially get overproteined so I only use it for special occasions. My second fave and everyday styler is 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard. I get it at Sally's. 4 Naturals also makes an Afro Stretch Curl Cream that I may try. I don't have an afro but the ingredients look good so I was glad I checked it out.

Are you sealing at all? I find I HAVE to seal before applying my styler. I use apricot oil. Grapeseed oil is on my list to try.

I wonder if the Tresemme is adding to your lack of definition? When I first started using it my hair felt...straighter or something. It's doing better now that I have a rotation of products.

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Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues
Yes, I hate coconut anything! I can't even use poos with coco betaine because my hair has a hissy fit. Pulling clumps out must've been super scary! During the start of my journey my hair matted up in one big clump and I feared I would have to shave it. That's when I found Tresemme actually. Protein sensitivity can have nasty consequences if you're on the extreme end (which I am).

Are you doing treatments with the olive oil or sealing? My fussy hair didn't care for olive oil. I don't really do any deep treatments but I seal religiously.

It's definitely a lot of trial and error but it sure does help to find a hair twin. Good luck! And keep me posted if you find anything you like that I should know about!
What do you seal with. My daughter is very protein sensitive.
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Misbehave, I just saw that you avoid coconut oil too!!! I thought I was the only one who absolutely did not like, may I say, DESPISED coconut oil. I feel that it makes my hair incredibly greasy and even more drying after my hair has been styled. I once did a protein mask with egg and coconut oil.....oh man. Not a happy day. I was literally pulling clumps of hair out with my hands.

Just had to say that. I like Olive Oil at the moment, and Argan Oil was another miss.

Sorry I keep flooding the forum, it's just been so long since I've gone natural and it's taken nearly 6 months for me to even start to scratch the surface of what works and does not work. It's nice to see someone who has similar issues
Neither eggs nor coconut oil supply the hair with protein that absorbs or adheres, egg proteins are too large and there is little protein in coconut oil. You more likely simply overloaded your hair with fats or had a negative scalp reaction (sensitivity/ allergy).

Greasy simply means you used too much/ failed to cleanse out the excess properly, any oil you overuse will have the same effect, balance is a critical part of any successful haircare routine. Feel dry suggests the same, residues on the hair because you failed to cleanse out the excess.

Just because some is good doesn't automatically make more better, the really effective penetrating ingredients are sometimes best used as just that, ingredients not as 50% or 100% of a DIY treatment. For reference a commercial conditioner is 90% water.
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