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My hair is low porosity and very protein sensitive. I can't use proteins or protein acting ingredients in my conditioners like panthenol, aloe Vera juice, coconut oil, jojoba etc. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or suggestions.
I don't buy the 'acting like a protein' thing, many of the ingredients you list have little in common with protein in terms of how they interact with hair or water/ dews. I think this leads people to blame the wrong ingredients, or not play about with amounts or different types of products.

Panthenol and aloe are humectants and film formers as are hydrolysed proteins, if you don't get on with those the issue may be using humectants in the wrong humidity/ dew points. Coconut is a penetrating oil and jojoba is a non penetrating wax, both are effectively anti humectants, not substantive ('sticky').

Firstly do your hair properties come from guesswork or from a microscope analysis? Have you clarified and chelated a couple of times? You need to be sure you don't have, say, polyquat build up which can be a real challenge to shift and affect your hairs response to all sorts of other products.

If so try a really simple lightweight conditioner 'base' (few ingredients) from an online cosmetics base supplier, one rich in the major emollients (cationic surfactants/ fatty alcohols) but little else.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I don't buy the 'acting like a protein' thing, many of the ingredients you list have little in common with protein in terms of how they interact with hair or water/ dews. I think this leads people to blame the wrong ingredients, or not play about with amounts or different types of products.

Panthenol and aloe are humectants and film formers as are hydrolysed proteins, if you don't get on with those the issue may be using humectants in the wrong humidity/ dew points. Coconut is a penetrating oil and jojoba is a non penetrating wax, both are effectively anti humectants, not substantive ('sticky').

Firstly do your hair properties come from guesswork or from a microscope analysis? Have you clarified and chelated a couple of times? You need to be sure you don't have, say, polyquat build up which can be a real challenge to shift and affect your hairs response to all sorts of other products.

If so try a really simple lightweight conditioner 'base' (few ingredients) from an online cosmetics base supplier, one rich in the major emollients (cationic surfactants/ fatty alcohols) but little else.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Thank you for your response. I live in NYC. I guess my hair hates humectants because honey, aloe Vera gel and juice, glycerin, panthenol cause horrible reactions to my hair. I have clarified and I use Kinky Curly Come Clean which is a chelating shampoo or that is what I have been lead to believe. No analysis has been done professionally but after tons of wasted money lo porosity, protein sensitivity is the only thing that fits according to the research I have done in trying to figure out why my hair is reacting to products the way it has been. Maybe I am wrong but nothing else comes to mind and it has been frustrating. The suggestion of just a base conditioner is worth trying. If you have a suggestion of a reputable site it would be greatly appreciated. I am going to do my research and will let you know how it goes after I get the order.
Instead of wasting tons of money go and get a hair analysis done.
Instead of wasting tons of money go and get a hair analysis done.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
You don't NEED a hair analysis to avoid wasting tons of money. I haven't had one, but I think I've worked out my own properties just from how my hair behaves.

I've also figured out what my hair likes through trial and error. You don't need to buy a bunch of really expensive products. There are loads of great, cheap options out there to experiment with. Especially if you already seem to know the stuff your hair tends to like / dislike
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera Conditioner

D/C: Experimenting!

Leave-in: Baptism rinse
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Instead of wasting tons of money go and get a hair analysis done.
Originally Posted by Blueblood
You don't NEED a hair analysis to avoid wasting tons of money. I haven't had one, but I think I've worked out my own properties just from how my hair behaves.
Originally Posted by BotticelliBrit
My response was to the poster who claimed to have wasted tonnes of money on loads of products.

Not everyone is like us and can work out certain ingredients don't work for them with ease.
I actually think a lot of people who are struggling with products 'need' an analysis, seems to be quite common for the results not to be what they expected.

Aside from anything else, Wendy understands ingredients better than anyone else posting on these forums and her service is very keenly priced.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I will agree with both Blueblood and Firefox. Sometimes is so hard to determine what is wrong with your hair especially when you are beginner. I am on the proccess of getting one but Goosefoot is closed until April.

And for the cheap alternatives it's mehh. It depends where you live. I lack on finding a LI that is cream and without cones.

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Generic conditioner, Hair Academy Deep Cleansing CO
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner,,NGJRC
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold, Rudyprofumi Hair Gel formula extra strong
DT: EVOO, C.O+protein condish

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
I have to say, I was confused on my properties as well. One analysis told me one thing, and since treating my hair as such I had the biggest problems. Once I got a more thorough analysis, my hair has been sooo much better, and I'm learning how to use products that I already purchased (after "wasting tons of money"). Turns out it wasn't wasted after all. You have listed all very beneficial ingredients for your hair, I have a hard time believing your hair hates all of that.

I second getting a hair analysis, because you are having trouble determining what works for your hair. (Now if you found a routine that works for you, that's another story... no need for one.)
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2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
I have to say, I was confused on my properties as well. One analysis told me one thing, and since treating my hair as such I had the biggest problems. Once I got a more thorough analysis, my hair has been sooo much better, and I'm learning how to use products that I already purchased (after "wasting tons of money"). Turns out it wasn't wasted after all. You have listed all very beneficial ingredients for your hair, I have a hard time believing your hair hates all of that.

I second getting a hair analysis, because you are having trouble determining what works for your hair. (Now if you found a routine that works for you, that's another story... no need for one.)
Originally Posted by sixelamy
Thanks. Where did you get your analysis done? Does it come with product recommendations etc?
I actually think a lot of people who are struggling with products 'need' an analysis, seems to be quite common for the results not to be what they expected.

Aside from anything else, Wendy understands ingredients better than anyone else posting on these forums and her service is very keenly priced.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Thank you so much for your advice. Please let me know the name of Wendy's company and the cost of having an analysis done.
Goosefootprints on Etsy.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Goosefootprints on Etsy.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Thank you.
Goosefootprints on Etsy.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I contacted her and she was lovely. I am going to get an analysis done once she starts accepting customers in April.
That's great. I think we are doing too good a job of word-of-mouth 'advertising', Wendy is getting busy!!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My hair is low porosity and very protein sensitive. I can't use proteins or protein acting ingredients in my conditioners like panthenol, aloe Vera juice, coconut oil, jojoba etc. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or suggestions.
Originally Posted by lisar12
I have the exact same sensitivities. My Hair HATES coconut of any sort, it makes my hair fragile and straw like. Jojoba also irritates it. Any soy protein also irritates it. I was sad to see no suggestions on here. And honestly, When I say fragile, I mean FRAGILE. The first time I used any of these ingredients, especially coconut, it was dry and frizzy. By the second time used, it started breaking off. It does LOVE Shea butter products. I thought I was just as weird as everyone else on here who doesn't believe anyone can have reactions certain products, but that seems to be the way it works. I am so sad and and ready to give this up because I can't find anything in any stores with out coconut (or something made from it) or cones, canes, and xanes in it.

I am not really new to CG routine, been following it since Mar 2012.
3A/3B, coarse, low porosity, high density, iii I believe (?), low to normal elasticity.

CoWash/LI: VO5 Ocean Breeze/Shea Moisture
Style:IOkra Gel/KCCC
Plop 10 min / air dry
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 279
I am with Sixalamy on this one. I can not believe that your protein strands that produce oily sebum don't like protein or any oils or any other hair products whatsoever. I think you must be doing something wrong yourself. why not try to just use NOTHING on your hair. That is an option you know. Just cleanse it and let it do what it knows ! If you still hate it after several months of that... the problem may not be all these products.

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