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Old 09-06-2013, 05:35 AM   #1
 
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Question FSG and aleo vera?

im just wondering if anyone has combined aleo vera and FSG? was just a passing thought, and was wondering if anyone has tried it?
when im finallyed settled with my bf, i wanna start again with making my hair products, (face, body and hair) and was thinking about trying out fsg again, and maybe add a bit of aleo vera.
any thoughts ladies?
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It can be done if your hair likes humectants, it is in Jessicurl Rockin Ringlets and Sweet Curls Elixirs offers it. The juice is acidic and will probably need thickening, perhaps with xanthan gum, how a gel behaves depends on the ingredients. You'd need to think about compatible preservatives.
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Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:37 AM   #3
 
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Hi Fmasuhr,

I actually make mine FSG with AVJ (I get mine from the plants in my garden). I use 50% water and 50% AVJ. I have experimented with:
1. boiling the Flax Seed with the 50% water and 50% AVJ and
2. boiling the Flax seed with water and then after sieving it I added the AVJ. I personally prefer the 50/50 option because the second mixture was a little water-ish. I would agree with firefox (you might want to add something to thicken it up like xanthan gum.
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Cleanser: ACV
Condish: Corine De Farme
DIY Cream LI: Condish, H2O, AVJ, Vit E, Glycerin, Grape Seed Oil, EO
DIY Spray LI: Condish, H2O, AVJ, Vit E, Grape Seed Oil, EO
DIY DT: Coconut Milk, Honey, Banana, AVJ, Vit E, Condish, Grape Seed Oil
DIY PT: Coconut Milk. Egg Yolk, Yogurt, Condish, Grape Seed Oil
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:09 PM   #4
 
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Hi Fmasuhr,

I actually make mine FSG with AVJ (I get mine from the plants in my garden). I use 50% water and 50% AVJ. I have experimented with:
1. boiling the Flax Seed with the 50% water and 50% AVJ and
2. boiling the Flax seed with water and then after sieving it I added the AVJ. I personally prefer the 50/50 option because the second mixture was a little water-ish. I would agree with firefox (you might want to add something to thicken it up like xanthan gum.
How are you stabilising the aloe vera?

Be careful with using a plant, that is linked to allergic reactions whereas commercially prepared inner leaf gel gel is very low risk.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
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Hi Firefox,

When you say stabilizing you mean preventing it from 'oxidizing' (the juice going brownish)? Because I know the "older" or longer you leave in the fridge etc it's effectiveness decreases.

I harvest the Aloe Plant on the days that I know I will be adding it to my mixtures so that the AVJ is not sitting around in my fridge for ages and degrading over time.

For example when I make my AVJ/FSG I make it and use it on the same day. I mainly only use gel when I want to wear neatly done twists that I will wear for 2 weeks or so. (It is not a daily product in my routine).

I also do not apply the AVJ on its own all over my hair - it is part of my other DIY products that I do P.H. tests to ensure the end result is not too acidic or alkali before apply it. The end results always end up around 4.5 - 5.5 on the P,H, scale.

I know that some people are allergic to pure fresh unprocessed AVJ from the plant but my hair and skin can take it. I did patch tests and P.H. tests. (I also do them with anything I use on my skin or hair).

I hope I am talking about what you mentioned.
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Cleanser: ACV
Condish: Corine De Farme
DIY Cream LI: Condish, H2O, AVJ, Vit E, Glycerin, Grape Seed Oil, EO
DIY Spray LI: Condish, H2O, AVJ, Vit E, Grape Seed Oil, EO
DIY DT: Coconut Milk, Honey, Banana, AVJ, Vit E, Condish, Grape Seed Oil
DIY PT: Coconut Milk. Egg Yolk, Yogurt, Condish, Grape Seed Oil
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Hi Firefox,

When you say stabilizing you mean preventing it from 'oxidizing' (the juice going brownish)? Because I know the "older" or longer you leave in the fridge etc it's effectiveness decreases.

I harvest the Aloe Plant on the days that I know I will be adding it to my mixtures so that the AVJ is not sitting around in my fridge for ages and degrading over time.

For example when I make my AVJ/FSG I make it and use it on the same day. I mainly only use gel when I want to wear neatly done twists that I will wear for 2 weeks or so. (It is not a daily product in my routine).

I also do not apply the AVJ on its own all over my hair - it is part of my other DIY products that I do P.H. tests to ensure the end result is not too acidic or alkali before apply it. The end results always end up around 4.5 - 5.5 on the P,H, scale.

I know that some people are allergic to pure fresh unprocessed AVJ from the plant but my hair and skin can take it. I did patch tests and P.H. tests. (I also do them with anything I use on my skin or hair).

I hope I am talking about what you mentioned.
Not only oxidising which would be to do with microbial contamination and/ or using up of antioxidants which any plant material is at risk of, the enzymes in fresh aloe are potent, the actives start breaking down fairly quickly. They could potentially negatively affect your other ingredients, including the preservative. Commercial standardised aloe is stabilised shortly after extraction and I believe the process is fairly involved in order not to preserve the actives whilst eliminating unwanted components.

Allergic reactions can occur at any time, and most often to familiar compounds not novel ones as many people beleive. IIRC the literature suggested that the greatest risk were topical fresh aloe and for aloe taken internally. Standardised inner leaf gel (commercially purified and stabilised) has the allergenic and irritant proteins removed so is very low risk.

Not following why you mention pH in this context? Glad you are doing it tho, it is an important part of formulating.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG, growing out mechanical and chemical damage = breakage and very high porosity. Past armpit length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:43 AM   #7
 
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Hi Firefox,

You bring up some points to think about! From what I have read about AVJ I believe people even mix it in with their fresh juices and drink it if they can not stomach the taste of it on it's own. (I wouldn't know I have never tried drinking it).

I was not sure if you also meant it's pH level when you mentioned stabilizing as well as the oxidation process so I wanted to mention it if in fact you were talking about that as well .

Thanks!
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Stopped using relaxers (Mid 2009) and Hair Dyes (Mid 2011)

3C/4A

Cleanser: ACV
Condish: Corine De Farme
DIY Cream LI: Condish, H2O, AVJ, Vit E, Glycerin, Grape Seed Oil, EO
DIY Spray LI: Condish, H2O, AVJ, Vit E, Grape Seed Oil, EO
DIY DT: Coconut Milk, Honey, Banana, AVJ, Vit E, Condish, Grape Seed Oil
DIY PT: Coconut Milk. Egg Yolk, Yogurt, Condish, Grape Seed Oil
DIY Styler: AVJ FSG
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