No-fail flax seed gel - I finally did it...TWICE!

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Has anyone tried making the styling mudd BB makes with okra? I want to try making this but don't know what to do. thanks!
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Has anyone tried making the styling mudd BB makes with okra? I want to try making this but don't know what to do. thanks!
Originally Posted by Auntie Bubbs
I bumped the okra gel thread for you: Okra Gel? Who's gone crazy? It's really easy to make.
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Has anyone tried making the styling mudd BB makes with okra? I want to try making this but don't know what to do. thanks!
Originally Posted by Auntie Bubbs


was curious if you have tryed making it yet? I tryed it last night put it on this morning. Not sure if I like it compared to the FSG dosnt seem as thick it is so much more slimy if that makes sense? Whats BBs mud consistency like? And has anyone thought of mixing the FSG and the Okra gels together? I mean if FSG is great and the okra is said to be even better I wonder what the 2 together would be like?

Hummm might have to try that next.
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So I've been playing around with flax seed gel for the last week, and every time I've gotten stringier curls that are impossible to SOTC, which has NEVER happened before for me.

What I have in the gel (This gave me about 8 oz of gel),
1/4 flax seed
2 cup water
A few tsp Xanthan Gum (the water here makes it extremely thin no matter how long I boil)
1 tsp Aloe vera gel (Lily of the Desert)
1 tsp vegetable glycerine
1 tsp Avocado oil
1tsp Almond oil
1 tsp honey, 1 tsp agave nectar
Some EO for preserving and smell ( a few shakes of the bottle, grape fruit, rosemary, vitamim E)
Pinch of citric acid

For store bought gels, I need an extra hold on top of it (BRHG), but this is ridiculous how I can't scrunch my crunch out. I can't tell it it has too little oil, too much agave/honey, etc. Does anyone have any advice?

Also, these measurements were just guessing, so I could be using WAY more than I should be.
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leave-in: CJHBLI, CJSL, SMRC
stylers: (rotating) CJAF, CCCC, SMCS, Ecostyler, KMFUM
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Last edited by romigjam; 07-08-2011 at 12:30 PM.
So I've been playing around with flax seed gel for the last week, and every time I've gotten stringier curls that are impossible to SOTC, which has NEVER happened before for me.

What I have in the gel (This gave me about 8 oz of gel),
1/4 flax seed
2 cup water
A few tsp Xanthan Gum (the water here makes it extremely thin no matter how long I boil)
1 tsp Aloe vera gel (Lily of the Desert)
1 tsp vegetable glycerine
1 tsp Avocado oil
1tsp Almond oil
1 tsp honey, 1 tsp agave nectar
Some EO for preserving and smell ( a few shakes of the bottle, grape fruit, rosemary, vitamim E)
Pinch of citric acid

For store bought gels, I need an extra hold on top of it (BRHG), but this is ridiculous how I can't scrunch my crunch out. I can't tell it it has too little oil, too much agave/honey, etc. Does anyone have any advice?

Also, these measurements were just guessing, so I could be using WAY more than I should be.
Originally Posted by romigjam
I think its the honey/agave. If you add too much of these it is impossible to scrunch out. I would try 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of one of them and see how that goes. (you can always increase it the next time you make it if you feel you need more) HTH
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I think its the honey/agave. If you add too much of these it is impossible to scrunch out. I would try 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of one of them and see how that goes. (you can always increase it the next time you make it if you feel you need more) HTH
Originally Posted by curlyhairmichuk

Thanks Curlyhairmichuk. I always need BRHG when I style my hair so my thought was, "OOOOO I can eliminate one product by adding more gooey, sticky food stuff to my hair!" Not quite.

Also, how does everyone deal with the smell of rosemary oil?! I tried covering it up with grapefruit oil and it is a hot smelly mess on my head. I may just have to tone that one down and use up my gels faster because it is a scent I CANNOT ignore....
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loo-poo: Kiss My Face Everywhere Shampoo
cowash: Suave Naturals, CJ DF
rinse out: TN
leave-in: CJHBLI, CJSL, SMRC
stylers: (rotating) CJAF, CCCC, SMCS, Ecostyler, KMFUM
DT: CJCR
PT:CJRM

love oils, avocado and castor oil are my favorite


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And we put this stuff in our HAIR? *lol*
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
Ha ha! We're funny folk - us curlies...
Originally Posted by MickeyB603
Oh I know it. First my DH makes fun of me for putting personal lubricant in my hair, now he sees me smoothing in something that looks like I took it out of a Kleenex...will the madness ever stop? *rofl*

For the record though, the lube works miracles. *lol*
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
What kind of lube? im curious now

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Originally Posted by MickeyB603
Oh I know it. First my DH makes fun of me for putting personal lubricant in my hair, now he sees me smoothing in something that looks like I took it out of a Kleenex...will the madness ever stop? *rofl*

For the record though, the lube works miracles. *lol*
Originally Posted by BotticelliBabe
What kind of lube? im curious now
Originally Posted by itslissy
I think KY Jelly or a store knock off. If I remember correctly someone decided to try it to replace Curl Keeper or KCCC (not sure which) and it was a hit.
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I saw somewhere that the gel will last longer in a dark bottle stored in a drawer out of the light because it isn't being oxidized. Can someone confirm/correct me on that?
Hair Type: 3b/3c (I think! lol)

Quit using heat 9 months ago

Last edited by madametj; 07-27-2011 at 09:10 PM.

You do. The product should be cool when you add it. I think I read on another thread about preservatives that it should be under 120 degrees.
Originally Posted by kathymack
The optiphen plus was the one thing I had trouble with. I couldn't figure out how to calculate the amount I needed and had to take my best guess. The one I bought from lotioncrafter.com says to use it at 0.5 - 1.5%. Can anyone give me a simple explanation and/or example of how to figure this?

TIA!
Originally Posted by curlyserf
1. Make your FSG with all of the ingredients you want in it except the preservative.
2. Put a clean/sanitized bowl on your scale and hit the "tare" button
3. Pour your FSG into the bowl and weigh this amount in grams
4. Calculate 1.5% of this weight. This is how many grams of Optiphen you will use.

Example- FSG weighs 400 grams
1.5% = 6 grams

Make sure you weight out the FSG each time to figure out your preservative amount. Since we boil the water with the seeds and then strain it, different amounts of water can be lost each time and it will affect the weight. Just because you needed 6 grams this time, it doesn't mean its going to be 6 grams each time. Maybe 5, maybe 7 next time.

If you don't have a scale with a tare button, get one. Also make sure the scale reads down to 1 gram at a time. If you don't have proper equipment, you shouldn't be playing with preservatives. Just my opinion.
Originally Posted by Ceri
Is there a formula like this for how much vitamin e to add?
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I saw somewhere that the gel will last longer in a dark bottle stored in a drawer out of the light because it isn't being oxidized. Can someone confirm/correct me on that?
Originally Posted by madametj
If you're not using real preservatives (essential oils and GSE are not) in your FSG then you need to keep it in the fridge to keep it from growing nasties.

Oxidizing happens to oils over time, and yes keeping them in dark containers in a dark cupboard in the kitchen will help slow down the process. If you look at the expensive extra virgin olive oils, they're usually in dark green bottles.

If you have oils that you use for body stuff only (not eating) you may add vitamin E or the famous GSE to those to also slow down the oxidation process. They still will go rancid over time though.

Oils like grape seed and hemp have a really short shelf life and I keep those in the fridge, argan and camellia are kept in the freezer cause they're more expensive.

Jojoba and fractionated coconut have really long shelf lives and don't need to be babied too much while storing.

HTH!
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Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
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Thanks, I'm still not sure how much vitamin e to add though....
Hair Type: 3b/3c (I think! lol)

Quit using heat 9 months ago
Thanks, I'm still not sure how much vitamin e to add though....
Originally Posted by madametj
1% in a formula will work. Don't add it to the gel while its still hot, wait until its cooled down and just warm.

The vitamin E will only help keep the oils from going rancid, not the rest of the gel. It's also a nice addition for your hair as well.
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Low Poo - (Once in a while) True Polaris Solid Shampoo Bar
CO-wash/Condish - (I'm lazy, one step only!) True Polaris Solid Conditioner Bars
Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
I plop and defuse daily


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Thanks, I'm still not sure how much vitamin e to add though....
Originally Posted by madametj
1% in a formula will work. Don't add it to the gel while its still hot, wait until its cooled down and just warm.

The vitamin E will only help keep the oils from going rancid, not the rest of the gel. It's also a nice addition for your hair as well.
Originally Posted by Ceri
Ok, thank you! Sorry to ask another question...but are there any other good preservatives other than Optiphen? I'm finding it difficult to get that. What about citric acid?
Hair Type: 3b/3c (I think! lol)

Quit using heat 9 months ago

Last edited by madametj; 07-29-2011 at 09:20 AM.
No need to be sorry! LOL We all have to learn somehow.

Liquid germall plus is my own favorite preservative to use in FSG. It's fairly inexpensive and only needs to be 0.5% of your formula, so a bottle lasts longer.

If you're on the West coast of the US, then MMS is my favorite supplier.
MMS - Preservatives

They also have lots of nice fragrance oils, essential oils and regular fixed oils to add to your FSG. I add FOs or EOs at 1-2% only, some are pretty strong, so don't go over 2%.

If you're on the East coast then The Herberie is a good place to get it.
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The only problem with them is they have a $30 minimum. I usually don't have a problem achieving this, but it's a turn off for some.

Citric acid is another "fake" preservative of some home crafters. Its used to adjust the pH of a product down. I use it in some of my formulas for other products when I need to adjust, but never as a preservative.

Have fun and let us know about your experiments, I swear making your own products is addicting! I started out just wanting to make my own cheap bath salts, now I have my own company making & selling CP soap, lotions, and solid shampoos & conditioners at out local farmer's market. LOL
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Low Poo - (Once in a while) True Polaris Solid Shampoo Bar
CO-wash/Condish - (I'm lazy, one step only!) True Polaris Solid Conditioner Bars
Styling - True Polaris Truly Curly Styling Gel I add 'cones in summer Truly Frizz Free Hair Serum
I plop and defuse daily


I love MUSE
Ok so I have my first batch in the kitchen cooling. And yeah like everyone else I'm trying to figure out how to get past the consistency part.
But after reading through more than half of the 26 pages of this post I have a question. What is it in Rockin Ringlets that weighs hair down?
I just discovered that I'm protein sensitive and my hair will run very dry if I use protein. When I bought the RR I just figured my hair was dry. So I chose the RR over the Gelebration Spray. When I tried the RR I was good until my hair dried and then it just went flat. The GS doesn't do much for me.
So now that I'm using protein free shampoo and conditioner (every other day)my hair is happier naked. And now I want to experiment with this FSG I'm trying to avoid whatever is in the RR that weighed my hair down. Maybe I didn't use enough of it? Or could it be the MagSulf or the glycerin or Jojoba Oil?
I not sure about what it is about the Jessicurl products. They made my hair limp and lifeless in a week--and I can use rich products.

Magnesium sulfate would be drying, if anything. It could be the glycerin. Here's a quote I found when I did a search, “If you use too much, it can be too heavy and feel like an oil in your hair,” Coulton says. “If you use too little, you don’t get the effect you’re looking for.” And it could be the jojoba oil.
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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks km. I found that after almost two weeks I couldn't stand the results from the line anymore. But I'm not sure if it was the protein issue or what. I might give the RR one more chance. At least I have a batch that will be ready in the morning and I can try it. Maybe I won't end up adding anything to it.
Maybe you just needed more hold. That's what Confident Coils is meant to provide. When I used Gelebration Spray or Rockin Ringlets, I always added CC, and had good hold.

With my homemade FSG, I don't hold back. I totally resaturate my hair with it, and have no hold issues.
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yeah I tried the Conf Coils too without any luck. But like I said that was all before I realized my hair hates protein. I'll read the label again and see if I'm good to give it a second chance. Today is the big experiment with the FSG so we'll see.
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