No-fail flax seed gel - I finally did it...TWICE!

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Hey KathyMac, I was reading about honeyquat, did you order online? I found a company that carries it and other additives that are CG. I don't mind the drying properties of the salts since I have oily hair and when I wear it shorter the oils actually travel to the ends of the hair on the top of my head. I nopoo everyday when it is short. Do you know what the chemical/compound/additive that makes gel have hold in commercial gel? I wonder if that company I found has it, their prices were really good. They had all kinds of protien and preservatives and conditioners and humectants. I think it wouldbe fun to experiment with some of them. I will try the agave nectar, I am going right by the health food store today. Oh yea and the algae seamollient, I think I will skip, I tried the Aubry Organics GBA I think it was, HUGE ALLERGIC REACTION!!! flaming head and face for about five hours even with benedryl. I am so stupid, I am allergic to mold, I have to get shots for it. No food allergies so I can put any kind of food on my head with no problem (LOL) agave here I come. I used 1/4 teaspoon of epsom salt, what would be the maximum to use?, I don't want to over do it adding too much to 2 cups of water.
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Cynthia
From the back of the AOGPB bottle, it talks about the Glycoproteins that do everything from jump over tall buildings! In the ingredient lists--it says that they are derived from oyster shells. It may have caused the allergic reaction. I am allergic to a lot of products (CK, Shea M LI, Biotera everything) but luckily not that.

It's been a long time since I added epsom salt to anything, but it doesn't sound like you are using too much.

I know there has been discussion in older threads about what ingredients in certain gels cause the "hold." Maybe some of the other curlies can chime in on that.

If you're interested in some of the additives, pm me.
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I made this gel and it is great. My first batch I mad the consistancy of curl keeper for my DH who has curls, FAB. I just had to convince him to use twice as much. Just distilled water and two tbs of flax seeds plus lemongrass rose and lavender eo. The second batch I cooled 1/2 cup to two cups of distilled water and a 1/4 tsp of epsom salts and cooked it till it was the consistancy of karo syrup plus same eo's. More hold but I need more hold. Tell me about Agave versus honey, edible of these or something else? I just need a little more crunch, any suggestions? I have to say that my curls are pulling up great and no frizz at all, plus soft and shiny and my hair is already shiny, this is like cellophanes shiny(remember the 80's)? But my hair is so fine it needs a little more lift. Thanks BB,
Cynthia
Originally Posted by curlpro
Hi Cynthia,

I also had to "force" my DH to use tons of FSG on his curls. lol. He wanted to only use a small amount like he does with regular gels. But the FSG hass made the world of difference on his curls.

I also am highly allergic to mold but have had no problem with Seamollient. But I am not allergic to seaweed so maybe that is the difference. I do add preservatives and only use a small amount of Seamollient so maybe that is why I don't have a problem. Is there something I don't know about algae? Is it considered a mold? Please let me know. TIA.

Now, I will try to help with some of the other questions you asked on later posts.

For preservatives, you can try silver citrate combined with potassium sorbate. This combo is in a lot of natural hair products. There is also Optiphen ND, which is a water soluble preservative that is a broadband preservative. Both of these preservatives require that your concotion have an acidic ph (6 or less) so you may have to add citric acid to use these preservative. They are both paraben and formaldahye free. You can also use grapefruit seed extract which is also a broad band preservative. Many curlies use EOs that have antiseptic properties. Lavendar, Rose, Rosemary. Also vitamin e oil. I like to add the antiseptic EOs, vitamin e oil plus a preservative. (maybe a little paranoid due to my mold allergies lol).

What makes commercial gels gel are polymers. You will see ingredients in gels like catomers which are polymers. Polymers can be both natural or synthetic. One type of polymer is plastics. Natural products try to use gelling agents like pectin, xanthum gum, guar gum to make the gel thicker which will give you some hold also. These gelling agents plus ingredients like agave or honey, some seaweed extracts that form gelatins provide the natural products with more hold.

IMHO, agave can provide a lot of hold. Play with the quantities you add until you get the hold you like. But just a warning, I think if you use too much agave it may cause some white flaking. This is what happened with me.

Edited:
Lately I've been getting lovely 2nd day hair with the FSG and I have never in my life had 2nd day hair. I just spitz a little water and FSG to revive it. The more I use it, the better my hair seems to feel and look. It's definitely my HG.
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Last edited by belasuna; 08-25-2009 at 11:52 AM.
I, too, am highly allergic to mold. Seamollient isn't a mold, it's an algae extract. I use it all of the time with no problem.

I never had success with FSG until I started to use a lot of it.
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That's the secret to success with the FSG. Your hair has to be coated and slimy/silky like seaweed. I use at least 3 oz for my length hair, brushing half through before plop and scrunching in the other half after plop. I usually get 3 - 5 days with FSG. In the AM just take down the pineapple/plop, shake and go! My hair loves this stuff!
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Hey girls...ok, I have to try this. Just got back from the store with everything I need, I think. I don't cook food, and I am gonna try this...should be interesting...LOL. Wish me luck. When I get through, if it looks anything like gel, I will try it in the morning. Wish me luck...I need it.
Hey girls...ok, I have to try this. Just got back from the store with everything I need, I think. I don't cook food, and I am gonna try this...should be interesting...LOL. Wish me luck. When I get through, if it looks anything like gel, I will try it in the morning. Wish me luck...I need it.
Originally Posted by Tanyaskees
I'm sure you'll be fine, LOL! Just strain it while it's hot. Remember, it's cheap--you don't have to get every drop of gel. You can also reuse the flax seeds a few times.
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Hey girls...ok, I have to try this. Just got back from the store with everything I need, I think. I don't cook food, and I am gonna try this...should be interesting...LOL. Wish me luck. When I get through, if it looks anything like gel, I will try it in the morning. Wish me luck...I need it.
Originally Posted by Tanyaskees
I'm sure you'll be fine, LOL! Just strain it while it's hot. Remember, it's cheap--you don't have to get every drop of gel. You can also reuse the flax seeds a few times.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Thanks, I am done....I think. I have what appears to be gel...hmmm. I used lavender oil and a little honey. I think I may have overdone it on the lavender oil...my whole house smells like lavender...LOL. Now, how much of this stuff do I use in the morning after I CO my hair? Should I use it with any other products...like leave in or JC stuff? This experimenting is fun, but I air dry my hair and am already at work before I can tell what it looks like, so whatever it is, it is for the rest of the day. My hair is pretty long, 3b I think. Bellow is a picture that was taken right after I went CO, it's in better shape now, still as long. How much of the gel should I use?

Hi again, ignore the questions above, I've read through the whole thread and now know that I have to use a bunch. The chicken that I am, I decided to not wait till the morning and try it tonight. My hair is now saturated in this stuff. I can't wait till it's dry enough for me to see if it'll work. I am excited and will post later tonight. My hair takes about 3 to 4 hours to dry...grrrr.
Tanyaskees, your hair looks just like mine, color, cut, thickness, length and everything. You must be my hair twin. I use about 1 oz or more of FSG on wet hair (no leave-in). I know that I've used enough when my hair feels and looks like it is soaking wet and about to drip drops. I usually squeeze the ends gently and if they feel plump and a few drops drip out then I know I have enough. You may want to overdo it the first time so you at least won't be able to say you didn't use enough. Anyhow, I plop afterwards and end up with super glossy bouncing ringlets.

Good luck!

edited:
just saw you figured it out. Well maybe this will help anyways.
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Tanyaskees, your hair looks just like mine, color, cut, thickness, length and everything. You must be my hair twin. I use about 1 oz or more of FSG on wet hair (no leave-in). I know that I've used enough when my hair feels and looks like it is soaking wet and about to drip drops. I usually squeeze the ends gently and if they feel plump and a few drops drip out then I know I have enough. You may want to overdo it the first time so you at least won't be able to say you didn't use enough. Anyhow, I plop afterwards and end up with super glossy bouncing ringlets.


Good luck!

edited:
just saw you figured it out. Well maybe this will help anyways.
Originally Posted by belasuna
Thanks Bela. Hair twin, how fun . I am sitting here ploped now just waiting. I usually don't do my hair at night, this will be different and I'll be able to see what it'll look like tomorrow. I used a bunch, but it's kind of thin, so my hair does not feel heavy. How long do you plop? And do you use a fiber towel? I can't seem to get it right, so I use a fiber turban type of a thingy....real technical name, I know...LOL. Anyway, I'll update later. Thanks for the reply.

Tanya
I, too, am highly allergic to mold. Seamollient isn't a mold, it's an algae extract. I use it all of the time with no problem.

I never had success with FSG until I started to use a lot of it.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Oh, I am so relieved, it sounds like great stuff. I just have to figure out where o get it now. I am going to try the new combo when I run out of what I made so far. I did add Aloe to my DH's (his was just flax, water, EO) very eggwhite consistancy, it wants to jump out of your hand and he complained (there are so many jokes right now I cant stop rotflmao)so I added the aloe. I didn't even read the label when I bought it, I thought it would be just Aloe (duh). I got Lilly of the Desert, inner fillet, it has carrageenan(thinkening agent),Citric Acid(ph stabilizer) and Potassium Sorbate (MOLD INHIBITOR) who knew? the gods must have been with me today! So I globed in about three tbs. and whisked it in, pew, Aloe smells, no problem, added more lavender and lemongrass EO, smells great and it made it less gelatenous and more like gel. I am going to try it on him tomorrow, men are such babies! I was just curious about the Agave nector and honey since they are sticky. They just dry like gel? I am taking your word for it. Thanks so much for all the help.
Cynthia
I made this gel and it is great. My first batch I mad the consistancy of curl keeper for my DH who has curls, FAB. I just had to convince him to use twice as much. Just distilled water and two tbs of flax seeds plus lemongrass rose and lavender eo. The second batch I cooled 1/2 cup to two cups of distilled water and a 1/4 tsp of epsom salts and cooked it till it was the consistancy of karo syrup plus same eo's. More hold but I need more hold. Tell me about Agave versus honey, edible of these or something else? I just need a little more crunch, any suggestions? I have to say that my curls are pulling up great and no frizz at all, plus soft and shiny and my hair is already shiny, this is like cellophanes shiny(remember the 80's)? But my hair is so fine it needs a little more lift. Thanks BB,
Cynthia
Originally Posted by curlpro
Hi Cynthia,

I also had to "force" my DH to use tons of FSG on his curls. lol. He wanted to only use a small amount like he does with regular gels. But the FSG hass made the world of difference on his curls.

I also am highly allergic to mold but have had no problem with Seamollient. But I am not allergic to seaweed so maybe that is the difference. I do add preservatives and only use a small amount of Seamollient so maybe that is why I don't have a problem. Is there something I don't know about algae? Is it considered a mold? Please let me know. TIA.

Now, I will try to help with some of the other questions you asked on later posts.

For preservatives, you can try silver citrate combined with potassium sorbate. This combo is in a lot of natural hair products. There is also Optiphen ND, which is a water soluble preservative that is a broadband preservative. Both of these preservatives require that your concotion have an acidic ph (6 or less) so you may have to add citric acid to use these preservative. They are both paraben and formaldahye free. You can also use grapefruit seed extract which is also a broad band preservative. Many curlies use EOs that have antiseptic properties. Lavendar, Rose, Rosemary. Also vitamin e oil. I like to add the antiseptic EOs, vitamin e oil plus a preservative. (maybe a little paranoid due to my mold allergies lol).

What makes commercial gels gel are polymers. You will see ingredients in gels like catomers which are polymers. Polymers can be both natural or synthetic. One type of polymer is plastics. Natural products try to use gelling agents like pectin, xanthum gum, guar gum to make the gel thicker which will give you some hold also. These gelling agents plus ingredients like agave or honey, some seaweed extracts that form gelatins provide the natural products with more hold.

IMHO, agave can provide a lot of hold. Play with the quantities you add until you get the hold you like. But just a warning, I think if you use too much agave it may cause some white flaking. This is what happened with me.

Edited:
Lately I've been getting lovely 2nd day hair with the FSG and I have never in my life had 2nd day hair. I just spitz a little water and FSG to revive it. The more I use it, the better my hair seems to feel and look. It's definitely my HG.
Originally Posted by belasuna
Before I realized I had some of the thickener already in the Aloe, I just sprinkled some Xanthan powder in and it just made clumps, I guess I should use it when it is warm still. Should I disolve it in the water before I put in the flax? The Agave go in when it's warm too? I used EO's you mentioned for preservative so no worry, plus considering the preservative already in the Aloe I feel good. I smell mold like a drug dog!! Thanks so much for the clarifications!
Cynthia
Hi all, it's me again. Hair is dry and looks amazing!!! WOW, I am so glad I found this forum, the transformation in my hair from about 5 weeks ago is unreal. Thank you all so much for all the great information. At 43 for the first time in my life I am loving my curls .

Tanya

Last edited by Tanyaskees; 08-25-2009 at 07:27 PM.
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Before I realized I had some of the thickener already in the Aloe, I just sprinkled some Xanthan powder in and it just made clumps, I guess I should use it when it is warm still. Should I disolve it in the water before I put in the flax? The Agave go in when it's warm too? I used EO's you mentioned for preservative so no worry, plus considering the preservative already in the Aloe I feel good. I smell mold like a drug dog!! Thanks so much for the clarifications!
Cynthia
Originally Posted by curlpro
I slowly sprinkle the xanthum gum in while whisking. I started to use a blender and like the consistency better, along with it being easier.
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Before I realized I had some of the thickener already in the Aloe, I just sprinkled some Xanthan powder in and it just made clumps, I guess I should use it when it is warm still. Should I disolve it in the water before I put in the flax? The Agave go in when it's warm too? I used EO's you mentioned for preservative so no worry, plus considering the preservative already in the Aloe I feel good. I smell mold like a drug dog!! Thanks so much for the clarifications!
Cynthia
Originally Posted by curlpro
I read somewhere that you should dissolve the xanthum gum in oil then add to your mixture. If you are not really putting oil into your mixture, just mix with a little vitamin e oil with the xanthum gum enough so you get a creamy liquid and whisk it into the still warm mix.
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Thanks ladies, hair came out great today.
Cynthia
Hi all, it's me again. Hair is dry and looks amazing!!! WOW, I am so glad I found this forum, the transformation in my hair from about 5 weeks ago is unreal. Thank you all so much for all the great information. At 43 for the first time in my life I am loving my curls .
Picture please! I'd love to see how great your hair looks now compared to your last pic....
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Whipped up a batch last night with agave nectar & seamollient added. The consistency is considerably thicker and not as slippery, almost like a watered-down version of KCCC. My hair is still drying, but so far the curl formation & clumps look promising. I looked back at my fotki pics from last year when I first tried FSG & can't believe how soft & shiny & ringlet-y it looked! High hopes for this batch.
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