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Old 05-07-2006, 04:09 PM   #21
 
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Looking at the emulsifiers at the herbarie, I was really interested in the PEG Olive Esters. It says that this can be used for conditioning and as a co-emulsifier. How do I know what to select as a partner emulsifier? A fatty alcohol? Or would that be a disaster?

I couldn't find much on how to pair emulsifiers, but I DID find this link which has some interesting looking recipes:

http://www.aussiesoapsupplies.com.au/jude/condemuls.htm


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Looking at the emulsifiers at the herbarie, I was really interested in the PEG Olive Esters. It says that this can be used for conditioning and as a co-emulsifier. How do I know what to select as a partner emulsifier? A fatty alcohol? Or would that be a disaster?

I couldn't find much on how to pair emulsifiers, but I DID find this link which has some interesting looking recipes:

http://www.aussiesoapsupplies.com.au/jude/condemuls.htm


You could try to email the lady at the Herbarie...I have bought a lot from there and she is VERY knowledgeable and nice! Also, if you haven't, take a look at their formulary to give you some ideas of what they use together.
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:13 PM   #24
 
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Great suggestions-Thanks!

It's silly, but I'm always afraid to ask for help...not here, obviously, but in stores. I know most people love to help...I have no chemistry knowledge whatsoever, it's embarrassing. But I can follow instructions! (as long as I curb the instinct to tinker)

Anyway, I was peeking at some of the ingredient listings for Curl Junkie and she uses PEG Olivate along with the usual emulsifiers...hmm.
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If they use it, I think it would be fine!! Good work Castella!!
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moisturemaniac: did you come up with these recipes yourself, or do you use a resource?

PS, the OneC is cooling in my fridge right now! Can't wait!
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:14 PM   #27
 
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I am SO jealous! I've been reading the recipe & lurking on the herbarie, lotion crafter & fromnaturewithlove sites...it all sounds so good! I'm not ordering anything until I can curb the temptation to buy it all!

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Oops, I actually had a question. I also posted about challenge testing & preservatives. Here at last is the question:

Can homemade conditioners be frozen?

I know Jessicurl's recipe for avocado DT can be frozen...could I do this with the homemade nopoo & onec to reduce some of my worries about bacteria? Anyone tried it?
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:23 PM   #28
 
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I used 100% pure olive oil, but I got a film on top of the OneC when it cooled. Should I have used extra virgin or something? What went wrong?
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www.camdengrey.com

They sell all kinds of goodies- oils, butters, essential oils, herbs, soap making supplies, all kinds of containers...Go check it out!
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Megnificent,


These are my recipes, based on the ingredients in the Deva products. I took out the ingredients I didn't want (such as the amodimethicone) I just follow the instructions from a hand-cream making book
About the film ontop of the Co: I don't recommend letting it cool in the fridge. Let it cool at room temp, and stir it every hour or so until it cools completely. The film is caused from a slight separation of the oil and water. If you let the temperature drop naturally, instead of speeding it in the fridge, and stir periodically to completely emulsify it, there should be no film. That said, the Co is still usable. Just stir the Co witha handblender until the bumps that come from the film having broken up have emulsified with the rest of the Co. Oh, and regular oilve oil is fine

Castella,

I refridgerate my Co all the time when I run out of preservative. It works great!I have never frozen it, though, because I tend to use it so quickly, but I'm sure that would be fine too
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Thank you very much! I actually scraped off the film and have been using both the No-Poo and the OneC and like them very much. Thanks for posting the recipe and being so helpful with all of our questions.
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No problem! I'm happy to help my fellow curlies not to spend our life savings on hair products
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Hi there,

I am relatively new here and I am excited to experimetn and cook this up...however (forgive my ignorance), I have a question or 2...What is generic no-poo and where can I get it? Also what is one-c?

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Hi Kurlywurly,

No-poo and One-C (One Condition) are two products from the company Devacurl. Many of the people here (including me!) love them, but cannot buy them because they are so expensive. I studied the ingredients in the Devacurl products and came up with my own recipes to duplicate them. The most basic ones are posted here. That is why I called them "generic" because they are my own version of these conditioners.
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Old 06-05-2006, 11:32 AM   #35
 
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Hey Moisturmaniac! (that big grin means something wicked this way comes...)

Any experience with EDTA and removing hard water mineral/metal deposits from hair?

I have some clarifying poo AND I'm having my water tested (which seems to be more complicated than I expected) AND I want to get a good filtration system. But in the meantime...wondering if you ever delved into clarifying ingredients. Or, for that matter, if you knew how much EDTA I would add to the generic one c/no poo to help them mix better with hard water (in the shower, I know to use distilled water when making the mix).

Just curious...if you don't know, don't go trying to find out the answers on my account!
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Hey Castella,


Sorry, I have no idea about hard water I ight even have it and not know! I'm just an ignorant city dweller who is happy with whatever comes out of the shower head
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Hey thanks moisturemanic,

Well, I am a dork! I am re-reading your lead-in post and realize now that the generic no-poo is your recipe! Ahhh, that's what I get for trying to read coherently in the wee hours after taking care of my baby all day, lol. Ok, thanks so much for clearing that all up... silly me! I'm excited to find these ingredients and experiment.. my hair is a dry bush and needs a new routine for sure!

thanks again!

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lol, no problem, kurlywurly!
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Can homemade conditioners be frozen?
Yes, I've frozen my homemade conditioner before. It's not as smooth when defrosted, but works just as well.

I don't bother freezing it anymore because I go through each 30 oz batch so quickly.

I use theHerbarie's HydroBody conditioner recipe with honey instead of the protein. My hair loves it and I don't ever need to use shampoo again. I've been CO'ing for 2 months and counting.
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I wish I had seen this before investing in a zillion conditioners to try. Now I have yet another new hobby, making the perfect conditioner and no poo. Ah well I guess it could be worse right?
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