FSG-curl enhancer besides magnesium?

I have read so much about the FSG but I just can't decide what my hair needs in the way of additives. I make it with mag sulfate and small glop of AVG. I would like to find an additive to make my curls bigger or looser, and more consistent and more clumping. I wondered what you chemists would suggest!

TIA!
Co wash: V05
Wash: Natural soap bar, Giovanni 50/50, Trader Joe's Spa Shampoo
Conditioner: Tigi Moisture Maniac, LVPNG, Giovanni 50/50, AO Honeysuckle Rose
Stylers: FSG w/ mag, Samy curl revitalizing lotion, Komaza Coconut curl lotion, JCRR (not working so well), Komaza Coconut hair pudding (doesn't seem to do much)
Gel:
La bella strong hold gel, Giovanni Natural Gel, Got2be Spiked Up gel
SOTC: Komaza Coconut Hair Milk, KC gloss pomade
ISO: my HG products!

CG since 5/09
Sorry to butt in, but where does one buy magnesium sulfate? What other additives do people use in their FSG?
Type 2b/2c, med/coarse, low porosity, medium density

Co-wash: Suave Naturals Tangerine, Live Clean Moisturizing, CJ Daily Fix, GTTT, Tigi MM

Conditioner: Tigi MM, Jessicurl WDT, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Daily Smoothing, CJ H&B Deep Fix

Deep Treatment: same as rinse out

Leave-in: KCKT or my rinseout

Styling Aids: Alberto/V05 Gel, HETT/HESMU, KCCC
I have read so much about the FSG but I just can't decide what my hair needs in the way of additives. I make it with mag sulfate and small glop of AVG. I would like to find an additive to make my curls bigger or looser, and more consistent and more clumping. I wondered what you chemists would suggest!

TIA!
Originally Posted by coffee~curls
I get lots of clumps if I use lots of FSG then comb through my hair with a denman. If you don't have a denman, use a fine tooth comb.

As far as additives that enhance curls. Seamollient is supposed to enhance curls. If the MS and Seamollient makes your curls too tight, maybe adding 1 tsp hair oil to loosen the tight curl and add moisture. This is just a guess. Not sure if adding oil will loosen the curl. I have oil and seamollient in my FSG and it causes loose curls.

Sorry to butt in, but where does one buy magnesium sulfate? What other additives do people use in their FSG?
Originally Posted by Tomorrow Never Knows
Magneseum Sulfate is also known as Epson Salt. You can get this at any drugstore or supermarket. It's the stuff you use to soak soar muscles. Add no more than 1/4 ts to the water when you are boiling the flax seeds.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
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I just got some jojoba oil, I will try it tonight in my next batch. Thanks for the advice.

Has anyone ever used guar gum instead of xantham gum? I had a hard time spending $11 on a big bag of xg.
Co wash: V05
Wash: Natural soap bar, Giovanni 50/50, Trader Joe's Spa Shampoo
Conditioner: Tigi Moisture Maniac, LVPNG, Giovanni 50/50, AO Honeysuckle Rose
Stylers: FSG w/ mag, Samy curl revitalizing lotion, Komaza Coconut curl lotion, JCRR (not working so well), Komaza Coconut hair pudding (doesn't seem to do much)
Gel:
La bella strong hold gel, Giovanni Natural Gel, Got2be Spiked Up gel
SOTC: Komaza Coconut Hair Milk, KC gloss pomade
ISO: my HG products!

CG since 5/09
Belasuna - wow I totally knew magnesium in its sulphate form is also known as epsom salts...I feel dumb now haha. How much do you use?
Type 2b/2c, med/coarse, low porosity, medium density

Co-wash: Suave Naturals Tangerine, Live Clean Moisturizing, CJ Daily Fix, GTTT, Tigi MM

Conditioner: Tigi MM, Jessicurl WDT, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Daily Smoothing, CJ H&B Deep Fix

Deep Treatment: same as rinse out

Leave-in: KCKT or my rinseout

Styling Aids: Alberto/V05 Gel, HETT/HESMU, KCCC
Belasuna - wow I totally knew magnesium in its sulphate form is also known as epsom salts...I feel dumb now haha. How much do you use?
Originally Posted by Tomorrow Never Knows
I don't use MS, but most who do say no more than 1/4 tsp for about 4 oz I think. Try a smaller amount like 1/8 tsp and add more if your hair can take it because even the smallest amounts can dry your hair out.

I actually use seamollient which has magnesium in it but doesn't seem to dry the hair out. I only use 2 tb per 8oz. Here is the link. It's a huge amount but it stays good for a long time. Or buy a sample from KathyMack.
http://coloradoorganics.net/index.as...ROD&ProdID=114
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
you could always try a different magnesium compound. It's the magnesium that is the curl enhancer. Magnesium oil is an option, but it is very concentrated and it does not take much to work.

I am experimenting with Dead Sea Salts because they are very high in magnesium and other minerals. Mag Sulfate gives me good curls, but it is drying on my hair.
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Belasuna - wow I totally knew magnesium in its sulphate form is also known as epsom salts...I feel dumb now haha. How much do you use?
Originally Posted by Tomorrow Never Knows
I don't use MS, but most who do say no more than 1/4 tsp for about 4 oz I think. Try a smaller amount like 1/8 tsp and add more if your hair can take it because even the smallest amounts can dry your hair out.

I actually use seamollient which has magnesium in it but doesn't seem to dry the hair out. I only use 2 tb per 8oz. Here is the link. It's a huge amount but it stays good for a long time. Or buy a sample from KathyMack.
http://coloradoorganics.net/index.as...ROD&ProdID=114
Originally Posted by belasuna
wow i didnt know seamollient had mag. no wonder my last batch of FSG did not impress me when i added it! i gave up on FSG because of it! now to make another batch!!! but what will i add now?
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wash with Low Poo or Poo
condition with GVP Conditioning Balm or CJ BC Daily, Loreal Color Vive for Color Treated Hair Thats Normal
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Protein- GVP Joico K-Pak
Play with ACV
I use magnesium oil, which is magnesium chloride--not drying at all.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
whats FSG ?
Originally Posted by cocoloco
FSG stands for flax seed gel, a homemade gel that many curlies have found beneficial to their hair routine. Here is the link to a recipe that I like:

No-fail flax seed gel - I finally did it...TWICE!

There are a lot of acronyms that curlies use on this site, FSG being one of them. Here's a link to the acronym and abbreviations list:

Acronyms/Abbreviations/Definitions!

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PM me if you have suggestions for my hair (i.e. product, etc.), help would be very much appreciated!
I use magnesium oil, which is magnesium chloride--not drying at all.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Where do you find magnesium oil? Do you add it to the water as you are boiling or after you strain the seeds? Thanks!
Sulfate & Silcone Free since July 2009
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Currently experimenting with Water Only Washing and dropping stylers

Negative on: AOHR, mineral oil
http://public.fotki.com/CurlyQMom/
I use magnesium oil, which is magnesium chloride--not drying at all.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Where do you find magnesium oil? Do you add it to the water as you are boiling or after you strain the seeds? Thanks!
Originally Posted by CurlyQMom
It's on sale:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU481/ItemDetail?n=376
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks - I picked some up today at my health food store in bulk. Yay!
Sulfate & Silcone Free since July 2009
2C-3A normal to high (ends) porosity, medium texture, lower end of med density
Currently experimenting with Water Only Washing and dropping stylers

Negative on: AOHR, mineral oil
http://public.fotki.com/CurlyQMom/
Do you mix the magnesium oil with roughly the same ratio as the salt....1 tsp to 4 oz? I'm looking all over the boards and just can't find the way to mix it.
My hair does great on the beach and I really want to try to recreate the curl.
Do you mix the magnesium oil with roughly the same ratio as the salt....1 tsp to 4 oz? I'm looking all over the boards and just can't find the way to mix it.
My hair does great on the beach and I really want to try to recreate the curl.
Originally Posted by pharaoh
I do 1/4 t to 4 oz FSG.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Where does one find magnesium oil?
Where does one find magnesium oil?
Originally Posted by flutricity
See post #13.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Is this something a health store would carry or do I have to get it online?
Same here. Know any stores that sell it, instead of online?

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