emulsifiers

What can be used as an emulsifier in homemade recipes ?

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What can be used as an emulsifier in homemade recipes ?
Originally Posted by taltal
It depends on what your are emulsifying. Some emulsifiers will mix oils and waters while others won't. So, what are you mixing?
~belasuna
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I use emulsifying wax. It's quite easy to use, just melt in your oil phase and make sure to agitate the mixture while you are mixing in the water phase

good luck
I got the following from http://www.teachsoap.com/emulsifywax.html
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Emulsifying Wax NF: Use this waxy material to emulsify your water and oils together. Usage varies based on the combination of thickeners but normal usage rates are between 3 and 6% of the total weight of your recipe. This is one of the easiest emulsifiers to use and is used by most home crafters of lotions and creams.
Cetearyl Alcohol/Ceteareth 20 - Used as an emulsifying wax in lotions, this is a waxy pastille that is used in concentrations of 2 and 6% of the lotion recipe and can be used in combination with emulsifying wax. This product creates a thicker, waxier end product, and is excellent for foot and elbow creams which traditionally require a thicker, waxier cream.
Cetearyl Alcohol - Fatty alcohol derived from natural oils and fats (cetyl and stearyl alcohol) that can be used to thicken and stabilize formulations. Cetearyl Alcohol imparts an emollient feel to the skin. Recommended usage level: 1-25%.
Glyceryl Stearate - Emulsifier and emulsion stabilizer. Typically used with another emulsifier, such as polysorbate 20 or ceteareth 20. Typical Usage Rate: .1-3%
Polysorbate 20- Excellent oil in water emulsifier/solubilizer. For use in body mist, room spray, skin cleansers. Recommended use is 1/1 or 1/2 ratio of fragrance oil or essential oil to polysorbate 20.
Ceteareth 20 - Used in oil-in-water emulsions. Provides exceptionally stable emulsions when used in combination with another emulsifier such as glyceryl stearate.

The waxes listed here do not reflect a complete list of the emulsifiers that are available, but they are some of the more popular ones used by the soap and lotion enthusiast. There are many recipes for making lotions and soaps, which will most likely indicate the type of emulsifier used and how much should be added to attain the desired effect. Knowing more about emulsifiers are used will help to take the mystery out of how and why they are used. You may even want to experiment with your own concoction to create a product that is uniquely yours!
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I got the following from http://www.teachsoap.com/emulsifywax.html
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Emulsifying Wax NF: Use this waxy material to emulsify your water and oils together. Usage varies based on the combination of thickeners but normal usage rates are between 3 and 6% of the total weight of your recipe. This is one of the easiest emulsifiers to use and is used by most home crafters of lotions and creams.
Cetearyl Alcohol/Ceteareth 20 - Used as an emulsifying wax in lotions, this is a waxy pastille that is used in concentrations of 2 and 6% of the lotion recipe and can be used in combination with emulsifying wax. This product creates a thicker, waxier end product, and is excellent for foot and elbow creams which traditionally require a thicker, waxier cream.
Cetearyl Alcohol - Fatty alcohol derived from natural oils and fats (cetyl and stearyl alcohol) that can be used to thicken and stabilize formulations. Cetearyl Alcohol imparts an emollient feel to the skin. Recommended usage level: 1-25%.
Glyceryl Stearate - Emulsifier and emulsion stabilizer. Typically used with another emulsifier, such as polysorbate 20 or ceteareth 20. Typical Usage Rate: .1-3%
Polysorbate 20- Excellent oil in water emulsifier/solubilizer. For use in body mist, room spray, skin cleansers. Recommended use is 1/1 or 1/2 ratio of fragrance oil or essential oil to polysorbate 20.
Ceteareth 20 - Used in oil-in-water emulsions. Provides exceptionally stable emulsions when used in combination with another emulsifier such as glyceryl stearate.

The waxes listed here do not reflect a complete list of the emulsifiers that are available, but they are some of the more popular ones used by the soap and lotion enthusiast. There are many recipes for making lotions and soaps, which will most likely indicate the type of emulsifier used and how much should be added to attain the desired effect. Knowing more about emulsifiers are used will help to take the mystery out of how and why they are used. You may even want to experiment with your own concoction to create a product that is uniquely yours!
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Originally Posted by CheveuxSauvage

Thank you all for your replies
Cheveux sauvage, thanks so much for the great link and for the detailed info!

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just a note to add to this thread...have used agar powder (seaweed based gelatine) a few times now and has worked ok. Got it at our local asian food store pretty cheap.
just a note to add to this thread...have used agar powder (seaweed based gelatine) a few times now and has worked ok. Got it at our local asian food store pretty cheap.
Originally Posted by backfire
Yes, Agar powder is wonderful. As an fyi for those who are protein sensitive, agar contains protein.
~belasuna
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CG since 7/27/09
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CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
Is beeswax or olive wax a good water/oil emulisfier for a hair cream ?

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Last edited by taltal; 02-26-2010 at 02:56 PM.
I was just wondering without wanting to start a whole new thread on the same topic ...

Where can you get the emulsifiers from? Would most health food stores have them?
Organic Hair Care 6/09 - 6/10; CG Method 2/10 - 6/10; Had to sulfate shampoo for a couple weeks, but starting over 7/10

Hair Type - All sorts of 3, High Porosity, Medium Texture but Thin Density, Elastic

Low Poo - Dr.Woods Liquid Castille Soap
CO Wash - Suave Naturals, Tresumme Naturals
Stylers - Jason Curl Cream, FSG, Giovanni Gel, LA Looks Sport

My highly porous hair lovees oils of any kind. Nexxus Emergencee for PT

Waiting to try: KCCC, CJ Leave In Condish, BB FSG

I was just wondering without wanting to start a whole new thread on the same topic ...

Where can you get the emulsifiers from? Would most health food stores have them?
Originally Posted by organiccurls
most are bought on-line. I've never seen emulsifiers in stores as they are technically chemicals. Try www.lotioncrafter.com
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
Is beeswax or olive wax a good water/oil emulisfier for a hair cream ?
Originally Posted by taltal
no. those waxes are not emulsifiers. They are used as thickeners. Beeswax can be used in conjunction with borax as an emulsifier. But there are lots of other emulsifiers that are easier (user friendly) to use (e-wax, btms)
Okay, now I am confused again, and have heaps of reading/research to do. Of course, right when I was starting to get the hang of this.

Are there such things that exist that would be considered a "natural" emulsifier, or one that isn't chemical?
Organic Hair Care 6/09 - 6/10; CG Method 2/10 - 6/10; Had to sulfate shampoo for a couple weeks, but starting over 7/10

Hair Type - All sorts of 3, High Porosity, Medium Texture but Thin Density, Elastic

Low Poo - Dr.Woods Liquid Castille Soap
CO Wash - Suave Naturals, Tresumme Naturals
Stylers - Jason Curl Cream, FSG, Giovanni Gel, LA Looks Sport

My highly porous hair lovees oils of any kind. Nexxus Emergencee for PT

Waiting to try: KCCC, CJ Leave In Condish, BB FSG

Okay, now I am confused again, and have heaps of reading/research to do. Of course, right when I was starting to get the hang of this.

Are there such things that exist that would be considered a "natural" emulsifier, or one that isn't chemical?
Originally Posted by organiccurls
Even the natural-as in made from a product in nature-emulsifiers are considered chemicals since they are used in cosmetic formulations. There are food grade emulsifiers but they won't do as great a job of combining oil and water and usually work in conjunction with other emulsifiers. Lecithin is one of those type of emulsifiers. Its the only one you can buy in the stores because it is also a nutritional supplement. It however is best when used with another emulsifier. The other food grade emulsifiers are not sold in stores.

THe easiest to use like coilynapp suggest is BTMS which is a natural conditioner + emulsifier or e-wax, also natural. But you can only get them online. lotioncrafter.com is in Washington State and they offer non minimum order and priority shipping so you can get the item really fast.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
Sorry to be a pain, but from a bunch of internet searches, does Xanthan/Guar Gum have emulsifying properties in addition to thickening? I also read, you can get it in stores?
Organic Hair Care 6/09 - 6/10; CG Method 2/10 - 6/10; Had to sulfate shampoo for a couple weeks, but starting over 7/10

Hair Type - All sorts of 3, High Porosity, Medium Texture but Thin Density, Elastic

Low Poo - Dr.Woods Liquid Castille Soap
CO Wash - Suave Naturals, Tresumme Naturals
Stylers - Jason Curl Cream, FSG, Giovanni Gel, LA Looks Sport

My highly porous hair lovees oils of any kind. Nexxus Emergencee for PT

Waiting to try: KCCC, CJ Leave In Condish, BB FSG

Sorry to be a pain, but from a bunch of internet searches, does Xanthan/Guar Gum have emulsifying properties in addition to thickening? I also read, you can get it in stores?
Originally Posted by organiccurls
They are not emulsifiers in the cosmetic sense.

In foods, xanthan gum is most often found in salad dressings and sauces. It helps to prevent oil separation by stabilizing the emulsion, although it is not an emulsifier

guar gum *can* act as an emulsifier, but should be used with another emulsifier (I think I got this from Wikepedia). I also think they are talking about food emulsions like salad dressings. I can't see guar gum making lotion solely on it's own. Like xanthan gum it helps keep oils dispersed in emulsions (prevents seperation--e.g., in salad dressings)

Both are commonly used in food products, and are mostly used as thickeners in cosmetics (e.g., flax seed gel, leave-in conditioners, creams, lube etc)

Yes, you can get both these gums in grocery stores or health/natural food stores
HTH
What can be used as an emulsifier in homemade recipes ?
Originally Posted by taltal
Even the natural-as in made from a product in nature-emulsifiers are considered chemicals since they are used in cosmetic formulations. There are food grade emulsifiers but they won't do as great a job of combining oil and water and usually work in conjunction with other emulsifiers. Lecithin is one of those type of emulsifiers. Its the only one you can buy in the stores because it is also a nutritional supplement. It however is best when used with another emulsifier. The other food grade emulsifiers are not sold in stores.

THe easiest to use like coilynapp suggest is BTMS which is a natural conditioner + emulsifier or e-wax, also natural. But you can only get them online. lotioncrafter.com is in Washington State and they offer non minimum order and priority shipping so you can get the item really fast.
Originally Posted by belasuna
They are not emulsifiers in the cosmetic sense.

In foods, xanthan gum is most often found in salad dressings and sauces. It helps to prevent oil separation by stabilizing the emulsion, although it is not an emulsifier

guar gum *can* act as an emulsifier, but should be used with another emulsifier (I think I got this from Wikepedia). I also think they are talking about food emulsions like salad dressings. I can't see guar gum making lotion solely on it's own. Like xanthan gum it helps keep oils dispersed in emulsions (prevents seperation--e.g., in salad dressings)

Both are commonly used in food products, and are mostly used as thickeners in cosmetics (e.g., flax seed gel, leave-in conditioners, creams, lube etc)

Yes, you can get both these gums in grocery stores or health/natural food stores
HTH
Originally Posted by coilynapp
Thank You Ladies!! This thread has been really helpful. I bought some Xanthan Gum today, so will try it and see how it works in at least stabilizing/thickening. I'd just rather not use the chemical ones and all of the alcohols in them, so this seems to be my best bet.

Thanks again
Organic Hair Care 6/09 - 6/10; CG Method 2/10 - 6/10; Had to sulfate shampoo for a couple weeks, but starting over 7/10

Hair Type - All sorts of 3, High Porosity, Medium Texture but Thin Density, Elastic

Low Poo - Dr.Woods Liquid Castille Soap
CO Wash - Suave Naturals, Tresumme Naturals
Stylers - Jason Curl Cream, FSG, Giovanni Gel, LA Looks Sport

My highly porous hair lovees oils of any kind. Nexxus Emergencee for PT

Waiting to try: KCCC, CJ Leave In Condish, BB FSG

What can be used as an emulsifier in homemade recipes ?
Originally Posted by taltal
Even the natural-as in made from a product in nature-emulsifiers are considered chemicals since they are used in cosmetic formulations. There are food grade emulsifiers but they won't do as great a job of combining oil and water and usually work in conjunction with other emulsifiers. Lecithin is one of those type of emulsifiers. Its the only one you can buy in the stores because it is also a nutritional supplement. It however is best when used with another emulsifier. The other food grade emulsifiers are not sold in stores.

THe easiest to use like coilynapp suggest is BTMS which is a natural conditioner + emulsifier or e-wax, also natural. But you can only get them online. lotioncrafter.com is in Washington State and they offer non minimum order and priority shipping so you can get the item really fast.
Originally Posted by belasuna
They are not emulsifiers in the cosmetic sense.

In foods, xanthan gum is most often found in salad dressings and sauces. It helps to prevent oil separation by stabilizing the emulsion, although it is not an emulsifier

guar gum *can* act as an emulsifier, but should be used with another emulsifier (I think I got this from Wikepedia). I also think they are talking about food emulsions like salad dressings. I can't see guar gum making lotion solely on it's own. Like xanthan gum it helps keep oils dispersed in emulsions (prevents seperation--e.g., in salad dressings)

Both are commonly used in food products, and are mostly used as thickeners in cosmetics (e.g., flax seed gel, leave-in conditioners, creams, lube etc)

Yes, you can get both these gums in grocery stores or health/natural food stores
HTH
Originally Posted by coilynapp
Thank You Ladies!! This thread has been really helpful. I bought some Xanthan Gum today, so will try it and see how it works in at least stabilizing/thickening. I'd just rather not use the chemical ones and all of the alcohols in them, so this seems to be my best bet.

Thanks again
Originally Posted by organiccurls

If you are thinking that by "chemical" we mean "bad" you are greatly misled. Also, the alcohols in these emulsifiers are fatty alcohols derived from vegetable sources like coconut oil

emulsifying wax NF
Made up of Cetearyl Alcohol and Polysorbate 60

Cetearyl Alcohol is a combination of cetyl and stearyl fatty alcohols derived from vegetable sources such as coconut oil. They are great conditioners, oil free moisturizers and emollients

Polysorbate 60 (from lotioncrafter.com; technical data sheet)

Polysorbate 60 is a vegetable source mixture of stearate esters of sorbitol and sorbitol anhydrides, consisting predominantly of the monoester, condensed with approximately 20 moles of ethylene oxide.

BTMS-derived from rapeseed/colza oil. Contains behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetearyl Alcohol

From www.purist.com/ingredients.php
Behentrimonium methosulfate is the mildest hair-detangling ingredient available. It is made from non-genetically modified rapeseed oil. This scientifically sophisticated ingredient is renowned for its superior detangling ability, without causing build-up on the hair. Unlike other hair detanglers, which are known for their irritancy, behentrimonium methosulfate is extremely mild, being recommended for use in baby products which are left on the skin. It is superior in effectiveness and mildness to its commonly used cheaper cousin, behentrimonium chloride. It is not a sulfate


The two above emulsifiers are not "chemicals" in the sense that they are bad. They are chemicals because they are used in cosmetic formulation--in the sense that distilled water is a chemical (h2o). They are made from natural sources (but also can be synthetic, in the case of e-wax) and fatty alcohols are not "alcohols" like rubbing alcohol.

HTH

also, xanthan gum is fine as a thickener in your lotion after you have ALREADY used an emulsifier. People typically use it to thicken gels--I have not seen it used in lotions/creams

Last edited by coilynapp; 03-04-2010 at 11:35 PM.
Coilynapp - It's not that I think they are bad. I am not really familiar with them enough to make a knowledgeable judgment on that. But I just would prefer to use ingredients that are easier obtained, like from a store or already in my kitchen.

Last night I made an oil/water mixture that was boiled and added 1tsp xanthan gum, its still holding together, it's pretty thick actually. I think this could work for me well for now anyways since I'm still kinda new at this.

Thanks so much, all of the information has been really helpful
Organic Hair Care 6/09 - 6/10; CG Method 2/10 - 6/10; Had to sulfate shampoo for a couple weeks, but starting over 7/10

Hair Type - All sorts of 3, High Porosity, Medium Texture but Thin Density, Elastic

Low Poo - Dr.Woods Liquid Castille Soap
CO Wash - Suave Naturals, Tresumme Naturals
Stylers - Jason Curl Cream, FSG, Giovanni Gel, LA Looks Sport

My highly porous hair lovees oils of any kind. Nexxus Emergencee for PT

Waiting to try: KCCC, CJ Leave In Condish, BB FSG

Coilynapp - It's not that I think they are bad. I am not really familiar with them enough to make a knowledgeable judgment on that. But I just would prefer to use ingredients that are easier obtained, like from a store or already in my kitchen.

Last night I made an oil/water mixture that was boiled and added 1tsp xanthan gum, its still holding together, it's pretty thick actually. I think this could work for me well for now anyways since I'm still kinda new at this.

Thanks so much, all of the information has been really helpful
Originally Posted by organiccurls
Oh ok. In any case, when you get around to trying the emulsifiers, they are quite easy to use, you just have to know how much, weigh it out, melt with your oil phase and mix with the water phase.

Goodluck and let us know how the xanthan gum holds up

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