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Old 08-30-2011, 12:45 PM   #1
 
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I recently got my first DevaCut. It was a treat to myself for sticking with the CG method for a full month. I thought it would be helpful to get my hair shaped well and get instructions about how to use products more effectively.

What they don't tell you about DevaCut is that your hair is cut unevenly. The stylist looks at your hair in its curly state, and it actually seems pretty haphazard the way she will cut the pieces. She sort of eyeballs you, picks up some pieces, and starts cutting in an effort to shape your hair while it is dry.

So, if you straighten your hair, it will look very uneven, because she is not cutting it with any overall plan to keep the pieces even or sides symmetrical.

Now, I understand that the goal of this is to give your hair the best shape when it's CURLY, not straight. I rarely straighten my hair, so this will hopefully not be an issue for me. BUT, I am not sure how I feel about having my hair cut this way. Frankly, I feel like if I wanted to take a scissors and just eyeball which pieces of hair seem like they need to go, I could do that myself (and for free). Plus, as all curly girls know, our hair lays differently every day. So now I feel like I have a hair cut that is based on how my hair was laying the day I went to the salon - which seems pretty stupid, in retrospect.

My hair looks OK - but I find myself noticing the asymmetry and it bothers me. I don't want to have it re-cut since it will just get shorter, so I will be letting this grow out awhile. The fact is that my old stylist was great, but the CG book sort of brainwashed me into thinking that wet cutting is NEVER good. The reality is, it's all about what works for you.

PS. The Deva stylist I selected has extensive training and outstanding reviews on this website. So, I don't think I chose a "bad" one.
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ah yeah ive heard about that! Ever since i heard about the technically "uneven" cut ive been second guessing getting a Deva cut...especially considering how expensive they are!! x.x
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I am going through this right now.

I got my first (maybe last?) Deva cut in NYC in April. It looked really good then. But now, as it grows out, things are just all over the place. Unbalanced. Uneven.

I am planning to just let it grow with length trims only for a while to see if I can even things out.

Maybe the Deva thing works if you just commit to always wearing it one way. But my hair falls differently every single day. Impossible.
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Same experience I had with two different Deva stylists. I think it's meant for those who only wear their curly. It also doesn't work on curly hair like mine that curls inconsistently - never the same way twice.

I have a good curly cutter who cuts mine wet.
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I recently got my first DevaCut. It was a treat to myself for sticking with the CG method for a full month. I thought it would be helpful to get my hair shaped well and get instructions about how to use products more effectively.

What they don't tell you about DevaCut is that your hair is cut unevenly. The stylist looks at your hair in its curly state, and it actually seems pretty haphazard the way she will cut the pieces. She sort of eyeballs you, picks up some pieces, and starts cutting in an effort to shape your hair while it is dry.

So, if you straighten your hair, it will look very uneven, because she is not cutting it with any overall plan to keep the pieces even or sides symmetrical.

Now, I understand that the goal of this is to give your hair the best shape when it's CURLY, not straight. I rarely straighten my hair, so this will hopefully not be an issue for me. BUT, I am not sure how I feel about having my hair cut this way. Frankly, I feel like if I wanted to take a scissors and just eyeball which pieces of hair seem like they need to go, I could do that myself (and for free). Plus, as all curly girls know, our hair lays differently every day. So now I feel like I have a hair cut that is based on how my hair was laying the day I went to the salon - which seems pretty stupid, in retrospect.

My hair looks OK - but I find myself noticing the asymmetry and it bothers me. I don't want to have it re-cut since it will just get shorter, so I will be letting this grow out awhile. The fact is that my old stylist was great, but the CG book sort of brainwashed me into thinking that wet cutting is NEVER good. The reality is, it's all about what works for you.

PS. The Deva stylist I selected has extensive training and outstanding reviews on this website. So, I don't think I chose a "bad" one.
Re: the bolded - you are so right! That is why I've never been satisfied with Deva cuts - I've tried 3 different Deva stylists. I ended up going to someone who also cuts curly hair but she cuts it wet and I'm much happier with it, whether I do it curly or in a roller set.
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Default I’m too curly to go straight anymore…soooo….

I would kill to find a stylist that will shape my hair while it’s dry and wavy/curly. I’ve totally given up on the whole straight-thing, because it’s humid here, and straightening is a waste of time, energy and healthy hair. My last three cuts have been cut wet and for straight, blown out hair, so now that I am going curly, it looks like…well…y’all know.

Thank you for the head’s up, tho…all the more reason, once I get a curly cut, I won’t be tempted to straighten.
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With a Deva cut, mine looked like crap even when curly - there were always scraggly pieces hanging down where it curled differently than it did the day it was cut.
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True a Deva cut is not for everyone.

It’s a particular cut specified only to be worn by curly heads and not for those that want to also wear their hair straight.

If you research the actual cut - it is intended to be cut uneven as each and every curl is cut at its own length.

But just the same as regular cutters you can also find curly cutters who don’t do a good job at it.

And to be fair, this is not something they are keeping from you – it’s all public knowledge.
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True a Deva cut is not for everyone.

It’s a particular cut specified only to be worn by curly heads and not for those that want to also wear their hair straight.

If you research the actual cut - it is intended to be cut uneven as each and every curl is cut at its own length.

But just the same as regular cutters you can also find curly cutters who don’t do a good job at it.

And to be fair, this is not something they are keeping from you – it’s all public knowledge.

For some of us it simply doesn't work - curly or straight. I might straighten mine once every three years, literally, so it's not that I also want to wear mine straight.

It all depends on how an individual's hair curls, and that they do not tell you.
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I’m not entirely certain who ‘they’ are that you refer to but I do know in researching a Deva cut it is said each curl is cut according to the curl pattern of the individuals hair pattern – not everyone has the same curl pattern and it would be up to the experience of the person cutting it to customize it as fitting to that particular person.

Cutting curly hair using the technique of being a true Devi Cut – takes training and experience in a specialized way of analyzing the correct curl pattern and cutting each curl correctly.

What some hairdressers may not tell you is that they are not 'truly' Deva trained. It's nothing you can gain knowledge of by just watching a YouTube video.

I say all this from my very own experience.

Next week I go for my 7th Deva cut – not from the Devachan Salon but from a trained and experienced Deva cutter. I travel and have three curler cutters I can depend on without worry to do a fabulous job - I guess I count myself lucky in that respect.
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I’m not entirely certain who ‘they’ are that you refer to but I do know in researching a Deva cut it is said each curl is cut according to the curl pattern of the individuals hair pattern – not everyone has the same curl pattern and it would be up to the experience of the person cutting it to customize it as fitting to that particular person.

Cutting curly hair using the technique of being a true Devi Cut – takes training and experience in a specialized way of analyzing the correct curl pattern and cutting each curl correctly.

What some hairdressers may not tell you is that they are not 'truly' Deva trained. It's nothing you can gain knowledge of by just watching a YouTube video.

I say all this from my very own experience.

Next week I go for my 7th Deva cut – not from the Devachan Salon but from a trained and experienced Deva cutter. I travel and have three curler cutters I can depend on without worry to do a fabulous job - I guess I count myself lucky in that respect.
sparklycurls -- you are correct that many of them are not trained. years ago it was a 2 weekend course, and now it is one day. so they may learn to cut an individual curl, but how to fit it in with a head of different types of waves and curls takes a lot more than one day. in fact, i think deva does not refer to it as training, they have another word that is escaping me right now. so, it is up to the individual stylist to get more, maybe deva does offer a more intense course, or on her own. and, remember, each stylist has more or less of a talent for haircutting, everyone is different.
so, if you get a deva cut by someone who is good, your individual curls will blend in and grow out nicely.
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I LOVE my Deva cut!! I would not go back to another way of cutting. The difference it has made in my hair is remarkable.

I do not straighten but my hair does not look lopsided nor uneven.

It took me from real weak waves to waves with curls and some ringlets.

I agree about getting someone who is very well trained. My current stylist has worked with Lorraine to train others.

I researched, watched videos and learned all about it myself before going so I do not feel like there were things I was not told or frankly, did not know. I interviewed stylists. I have been to 3 Deva trained stylists.
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They. You know, They, LOL! They = Deva, Lorraine Massey and other proponents of the Deva cut.

I've used two stylists, found directly from the Deva site. The first seemed to be poorly trained with little experience, despite what I'd been told about her - likely only attended the one-day "Curlabration"

The second was well trained, and I saw other Deva cuts that she did that looked great before I ever gave her a try. After several tries on me, we finally both agreed that my curl pattern was just too inconsistent and ever-changing for it to work well. She started cutting mine wet, which worked much better for me - I liked that she was flexible enough to be willing to do that. We both still used much of the other CG tips/techniques.

When I was younger and my hair was much curlier, I think it would've been great for me. In fact, in those days, I used to cut it dry myself, and it worked well.
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I've also had this experience (I've only had one Deva cut so far), though it doesn't really bother me. The right side of the hair that lays on my shoulder is slightly longer than the left. I figure she'll shape it up when I go in for a trim, and it's slight enough that no one would notice it but me. Maybe since I'm nearly 28 now and a little older, I'm just not as concerned about the little things like that.
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I absolutely know the way some of you feel here. I've got three Deva cuts by professionals with excellent reviews here, and I haven't been able to get used to wear "uneven" hair.
The way the OP posts is exactly how I felt after each of these cuts: I've better done it myself with a pair of regular scissors. I still don't understand the science behind "cutting each curl individually" and how such a great technique results in uneven hair. Not slightly uneven - but really weird looking.
So no more dry cuts for me...not even if I get one for free at Devachan! Cheap trims is what I'm having done every three months and it's looking good!
By the way I'm 3b...maybe these cuts are better for some wavies, as it helps make their hair curlier?
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I absolutely know the way some of you feel here. I've got three Deva cuts by professionals with excellent reviews here, and I haven't been able to get used to wear "uneven" hair.
The way the OP posts is exactly how I felt after each of these cuts: I've better done it myself with a pair of regular scissors. I still don't understand the science behind "cutting each curl individually" and how such a great technique results in uneven hair. Not slightly uneven - but really weird looking.
So no more dry cuts for me...not even if I get one for free at Devachan! Cheap trims is what I'm having done every three months and it's looking good!
By the way I'm 3b...maybe these cuts are better for some wavies, as it helps make their hair curlier?
i bet the training these stylists had was the 'curlabration,' -- one day about how to care for curly hair, how to cut it, how to color it. not enough. several years back i also went to a deva trained stylist, local, who was and still is raved about on the reviews here -- i ended up with a mullet that took my regular stylist 3 cuts to finally bring it back! she did not account for the very curly crown (some 3b) and the very loose back/bottom, some, at that time, 2c.
that is what i am talking about, they do not have enough training to visualize the entire head, how each curl/wave will interact with each other. now there clearly are many stylists who can put it together because of their sheer talent and other training, others who can't. and for the life of me i cannot understand how this particular one got the reviews she did. except that she is local, so.... and maybe the ones who got good cuts from her had one curl pattern??????
again, seeing a good cut and asking who the stylist is still remains the optimal way to get a good stylist. if you are lucky enough to spot someone!
i do think deva is to be blamed for the insufficient training they are now giving -- i think better to have fewer deva trained stylists but to know they truly know what to do with curly hair. so i don't think it's the method, i think it's the insufficient training. i get deva cuts, have for years, from someone who worked at devachan and actually did the old training courses, so i know what a good deva cut can do. i have many friends with different curl patterns (including my daughter) who also go to him and get great haircuts. i believe it's what the individual stylist does with what deva gives them.
and there are many stylists out there who never took a deva course and are good with curly hair.
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Yes. I remember when I used to go to a random hairdresser and had just shampoo, conditioner, a plain trim, a little mousse and voila!! Great curly (or blow dried) hair that lasted three days...(before the Deva theory was even created). I'll go back to that.
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I just my first Deva cut a couple of days ago. Before that, I just trimmed it myself, so it was all one length....i.e. flat-top pyramid

I came into the salon with my hair parted to one side, and the stylist cut my hair without re-parting it. The two sides are completely uneven...so if I part my hair down the center, one side is 3 inches long, and the other is 10 inches long. So basically, I now have to wear my hair parted the same exact way for it to look good.

Now, on the other hand, I love the way the cut came out. It's got lots of layers, and I don't think I could've done it all myself at home, especially the layers in the back. (He put some really funky super-short layers at my crown, for example.)

The reason I got the cut was because I finally decided to make peace with my hair and go the whole curly route. With a cut like this, it gives me a great incentive to take care of my curls because 1) the cut looks great on curly hair and 2) I will look like a crazy person if I decide to straighten it.
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I never thought about this I hope I never have this problem in the future. I got my first deva cut a couple of months ago. The cut itself was beautiful but my only gripe is she took off half my lenght after I specifically told her I was growing it longer. I've straightened it once since then and it was even guess I lucked out. I did notice she stretched my curls a bit while cutting then they would stap back when she let go so maybe she was measuring by eyeballing it and stretching it.

The effect the cut has on my curls is amazing. They're more uniform and my hair just falls into place now with little effort. Before, my curls were just all over the place, uneven and I had major triangle hair. It looks good straight too, just a very layered straight look. I'm a 3c.
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I just my first Deva cut a couple of days ago. Before that, I just trimmed it myself, so it was all one length....i.e. flat-top pyramid

I came into the salon with my hair parted to one side, and the stylist cut my hair without re-parting it. The two sides are completely uneven...so if I part my hair down the center, one side is 3 inches long, and the other is 10 inches long. So basically, I now have to wear my hair parted the same exact way for it to look good.

Now, on the other hand, I love the way the cut came out. It's got lots of layers, and I don't think I could've done it all myself at home, especially the layers in the back. (He put some really funky super-short layers at my crown, for example.)

The reason I got the cut was because I finally decided to make peace with my hair and go the whole curly route. With a cut like this, it gives me a great incentive to take care of my curls because 1) the cut looks great on curly hair and 2) I will look like a crazy person if I decide to straighten it.
Wow I can't beleive she didn't take the part into consideration.
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