First salon visit since going CG

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This Saturday I have my first salon visit since going CG and I had a couple of questions for you more experienced curlies...

- I get my hair colored at the salon. I haven't used a sulfate shampoo since going CG, but I'm assuming the shampoo they will use will have sulfates. Are sulfates necessary to get out dye? Should I bring my own sulfate free shampoo and ask them to use that instead?

- Should I bring my microfiber towel? They have regular terry cloth there.

- In the past my stylist has always colored first, then cut while wet, then blow dried straight. However, I've heard it's best to get curly hair cut while dry (and I have an almost pin straight underlayer that I want trimmed shorter than the rest so it doesn't stick out and I don't think she'll be able to see that if my hair is wet). SO, do I show up at the salon with all my styling products in and ask her to cut it that way? Do I show up with dry hair with no product in it (if I do this I'm afraid she won't get the full picture of what she's working with)?

- This isn't a special "curly hair place" so I'm not sure what to expect. Have y'all experienced pushback when you ask for sulfate/silicone free or for a dry haircut? I really love my stylist and I don't want to switch but I'm nervous that she won't know how to handle the change.

-After the cut and color, do I just leave the salon with damp hair? Normally she blows it dry, straight, and loads it up with silicone products. I won't have any of my gels/LI with me, so is it safe to just leave with wet hair?

-If she DOES use a sulfate shampoo or a conditioner with silicone, should I rewash it when I get home to kind of "reset" my hair? If she uses a silicone conditioner or other product, will I have to use a sulfate shampoo to get it out? Could I use an ACV rinse to "start over"?

Any tips you have would be greatly appreciated!

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you can talk with her about your curly hair journey, wanting your curly hair cut dry so she can see the shrinkage factor and not using sulfates. she can cut it first, then color. and they can shampoo with your products. after that, you can leave with wet hair (i sometimes do) or ask if she or you can diffuse it on low heat.
remember, you are the customer, they should want to keep you happy. and, of course, always do this with a smile and a nice voice.
when i used to color my hair my colorist (a friend of my daughter's came to the house) but there were times i went to her salon and brought my own low poo and conditioner. she was fine with that.
it's your hair and you can make decisions about how you want it treated.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter,
Even when I am full-on cg I use a sulfate shampoo after dyeing because I want to make absolutely certain I remove all those chemicals from permanent dye. That said, it may not be necessary. You can always say you have allergies and need to use the shampoo you brought - a white lie but permissible.

Do you remember if they rub your hair with a terry towel or just put your hair in it like a turban? I think rubbing is the problem with terry and you would be OK if they just wrapped your hair in a towel.

My recommendation agrees with rbb. "You are the customer, they should want to keep you happy and, of course, always do this with a smile and a nice voice." I have no use for prima donna stylists. They are in business to please you!
2/c. Coarse hair med. density.
Protein sensitive but can use occasionally
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Smasters!
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets or use a curling brush - classic glamor.
Every day is a gift
rbb, so when I ask her to cut it dry, I should have all my styling products in it, right?

curlypearl, good point on the towel. I don't think they've ever dried my hair with it, they just turban it, so I should be ok there

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I never wash out color with a sulfate shampoo on my clients. That being said they will probably want to because they think that they need to use shampoo to get the color out. You can try to get her to cut it dry but she may not be willing to do it. I have clients that showed the Curly Girl book to there former stylist and they were uncomfortable in doing it dry. The issue is that even if she cuts it dry she may just cut it the same way as usual and it won't make a difference in how it turns out.
Good luck

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Owner/Stylist Studio 138
Fullerton, Ca.
Deva Curl Certified Stylist
the one thing with cutting it dry is that it allows her to see the curl pattern and shrinkage. i.e., the crown of my head is tight 3b spirals, the back is then 3a. if they cut it wet i end up with a mullet when it dries, a hole in the back of my hair.
yes, always style it with whatever products you normally use.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter,
Well, went to the salon and my stylist had "never heard" of cutting it dry "in all her years and training." I know I should've got up and left, but I've been using her for a bit and she always knocks my color out of the park and my roots were terrible...so I let her cut it wet.

The good news is, it looks totally fine. Maybe it helps that mine is mostly wavy...? Also, I'm getting closer to a length when I'll be able to trim it up myself, if that's something I'm willing to try down the road.

I am still curious about the dry cut, though, and I might try to find someone that will do it in the future. But probably as long as it comes out looking good, I'll just stick with her.

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Oh, and I did bring my own products, which she used and she diffused it instead of full on blow drying.

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so it sounds as tho it worked out -- at least she listened and you were able to have her use your products and diffuse your hair. and you are happy with the cut, the only important part!
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter,
I also found that after my stylist cut my hair wet and brushed straight, it ended up looking totally fine. Better than it looked before. She had to put a bit of layering in because I had such damaged tips, it looked awful. I've noticed a difference in the curl factor now in the front and it looks better.
Unfortunately, it seems that my stylist didn't really know how to do my curly hair after the cut. She was combing it all over the place and it was a total mess during the part where she tried to style it. I think in the future, I'll just let her flat iron it after cutting, and she uses whatever shampoo she wants (prob full of protein) and whatever leave in creams or spritz she wants, and can use a terry towel, I don't care, because once every few months isn't going to hurt in the long run. Also, it has been 20 years since she attended cosmetology school, and I'm sure standards gave changed since then, I certainly didn't expect her to know anything about curly girl method or products that she can't buy from her supplier at cost. I go right back to routine the next day.
Graduated to 2b after latest trim, 2b/2c in back
Low density, High porosity
Course texture, Medium length
Naturally dry, protein sensitive
Prewash: Coconut oil
Lo poo: Suave Clarifying or HE Naked
Cowash: Tresemme Perfectly Undone condish
RO: GVP CB, Yes to Coconuts Ultra Moist Condish
Leave In: KCKT
Deep condition: GVP CB
Styler: HETT, MTCC, KCCC, CRNCM, and LALESG
Unfortunately, it seems that my stylist didn't really know how to do my curly hair after the cut. She was combing it all over the place and it was a total mess during the part where she tried to style it. I think in the future, I'll just let her flat iron it after cutting, and she uses whatever shampoo she wants (prob full of protein) and whatever leave in creams or spritz she wants, and can use a terry towel, I don't care, because once every few months isn't going to hurt in the long run. Also, it has been 20 years since she attended cosmetology school, and I'm sure standards gave changed since then, I certainly didn't expect her to know anything about curly girl method or products that she can't buy from her supplier at cost. I go right back to routine the next day.
Originally Posted by ttoosday
I had the same problem- while she did use my products for washing, conditioning, and leave in, I didn't bring my stylers and she respected my request to not use any of the normal stylers she has at the salon (really I just didn't feel like reading all the labels to figure out which were ok). She also respected my request to diffuse. HOWEVER, it's clear she doesn't know a thing about styling curly hair (or maybe I'm being too hard on her, maybe my hair just looks that bad without gel!). It was a mess when I left, style wise, but I already had plans to go home and wash/style myself because I had a party to go to that night. When I did it myself, it looked much better! In Jerry defense, I did have the advantage of having my gels and following my normal routine!

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Unfortunately, it seems that my stylist didn't really know how to do my curly hair after the cut. She was combing it all over the place and it was a total mess during the part where she tried to style it. I think in the future, I'll just let her flat iron it after cutting, and she uses whatever shampoo she wants (prob full of protein) and whatever leave in creams or spritz she wants, and can use a terry towel, I don't care, because once every few months isn't going to hurt in the long run. Also, it has been 20 years since she attended cosmetology school, and I'm sure standards gave changed since then, I certainly didn't expect her to know anything about curly girl method or products that she can't buy from her supplier at cost. I go right back to routine the next day.
Originally Posted by ttoosday
I had the same problem- while she did use my products for washing, conditioning, and leave in, I didn't bring my stylers and she respected my request to not use any of the normal stylers she has at the salon (really I just didn't feel like reading all the labels to figure out which were ok). She also respected my request to diffuse. HOWEVER, it's clear she doesn't know a thing about styling curly hair (or maybe I'm being too hard on her, maybe my hair just looks that bad without gel!). It was a mess when I left, style wise, but I already had plans to go home and wash/style myself because I had a party to go to that night. When I did it myself, it looked much better! In Jerry defense, I did have the advantage of having my gels and following my normal routine!

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Originally Posted by sarajane82
It's probably alot more common than we realize. It's cool tho. I'll still pay her full price even I did bring my own products and even if she doesn't come thru with the styling part. Luckily I can go alot longer between visits now that I'm conditioning 200% more often and my ends are doing better and I'm not trying to maintain a trendy style.
Graduated to 2b after latest trim, 2b/2c in back
Low density, High porosity
Course texture, Medium length
Naturally dry, protein sensitive
Prewash: Coconut oil
Lo poo: Suave Clarifying or HE Naked
Cowash: Tresemme Perfectly Undone condish
RO: GVP CB, Yes to Coconuts Ultra Moist Condish
Leave In: KCKT
Deep condition: GVP CB
Styler: HETT, MTCC, KCCC, CRNCM, and LALESG
the styling isn't important. very few stylists know what to do with our hair, even we cannot predict how it will be even using the same products/routine. i also don't have the patience to wait for it to dry and my hair hates drying, even with a diffuser so i know it won't look good later on. what i do is either leave without a shampoo/style, or have the shampoo and have them use my products with my leave in, then go home, using that time as a 'conditioning' time for my hair. get home and usually, but not always, wash and style. actually, my stylist is good with styling so i can let it air dry in car and leave it as is.
i go for the cut and if the cut is good, i am very happy.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter,
Unfortunately most stylists do not understand curly hair. I'm glad it all worked out for you! It is important to see the hair dry so I can see if any changes need to be made and how it is falling. The problem is that schools do not cover curly hair well enough and so as a stylist you have to pursue curly education if uou want to learn the proper techniques to use.


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Doug Lilley
Owner/Stylist Studio 138
Fullerton, Ca.
Deva Curl Certified Stylist
Yeah, I think next time I'll just leave with wet hair and go home and either deep condition or style on my own.

She did mention that now that I'm not using the straight iron or a hair dryer (other than diffusing) that I can get away with fewer cuts. She said I can just come for root/highlight touch ups and only do a trim every third visit or so. I know you can never totally repair hair that's been damaged but I think by treating it better I may be avoiding new split ends (which I used to have to get cut off every time)

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