What Should I Tell My Stylist?

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Thanks Red. I don't know that the stylist knows anything about it since she wasn't there when it happened. I haven't called her or anything - I don't have a way to reach her except through the salon, and it was the salon owner who contacted me after the incident, and then I had an issue with him, too. So I'm just moving on. I have hopes of finding someone to do my hair at a Devachan that apparently is opening not too far away from the Studio City salon.

I'd love to know what your FB page is too.
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Thanks, Kathy. Challenged would describe me
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
Thanks Kathy

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Last edited by bigredapmi; 04-06-2012 at 04:13 PM. Reason: oops
If she can, she needs to keep a solid "base" at the bottom and only start layering an inch or two up from the bottom perimeter. I hate seeing stringy ends from a cut on curly hair because the layering started too soon.
Originally Posted by StruttsWife
I am SO GLAD I read this! I have yet to get a hair cut since going CG (It's only been 8 days LOL) but I noticed that my waves look so full and nice but the ends just look stringy. They aren't, they're soft (after a DT) and not split or anything... and they aren't straight like heat damage, they follow the wave pattern just fine but they LOOK stringy.

I've talked to some people in my area and they recommended a good stylist (who also has many good review on here), but I've been holding off thinking that maybe since I'm only a week into this it's something that will sort itself out.

I'm still going to try and wait for my waves to adjust to their new life, but I'm so very happy to know this could be the problem and that it's fixable. I'll definitely write this down and bring it with me when it's time for my first CG friendly cut!

Thank you so, so much! (btw red, I was looking at pics from your salon that were linked into the "wavy hair community" page right before i read this post and knew it was yours lol)
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If she can, she needs to keep a solid "base" at the bottom and only start layering an inch or two up from the bottom perimeter. I hate seeing stringy ends from a cut on curly hair because the layering started too soon.
Originally Posted by StruttsWife
I am SO GLAD I read this! I have yet to get a hair cut since going CG (It's only been 8 days LOL) but I noticed that my waves look so full and nice but the ends just look stringy. They aren't, they're soft (after a DT) and not split or anything... and they aren't straight like heat damage, they follow the wave pattern just fine but they LOOK stringy.

I've talked to some people in my area and they recommended a good stylist (who also has many good review on here), but I've been holding off thinking that maybe since I'm only a week into this it's something that will sort itself out.

I'm still going to try and wait for my waves to adjust to their new life, but I'm so very happy to know this could be the problem and that it's fixable. I'll definitely write this down and bring it with me when it's time for my first CG friendly cut!

Thank you so, so much! (btw red, I was looking at pics from your salon that were linked into the "wavy hair community" page right before i read this post and knew it was yours lol)
Originally Posted by RainyDayWaves
Rainy, ask any questions you have, anytime, and keep us up to date with your curly journey
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How often should curlies be getting haircuts? Ive always gone to the same stylist, and she cuts my hair wet, but I've always been pleased with the cuts. I asked her last time if there was a different way she could cut around my face, because it was the same length as my top layers(which I told her I wanted to grow out, prior to finding this site) and just hangs down in my face, which I hate, so I always have to pull it back. She told me she couldn't do anything about it, so I just accepted that. Is she right, there's no other way to cut around the face, just the same as the other layers? I want to go back to get my hair cut shorter and layered. So I'm going to tell her to take my BSL hair to right below my shoulders, and put long layers in(it's pretty thick, so no thinning and long layers is best, right? Should I bring up about the hair around my face, even though she said she couldn't before? Or is there some way I could cut that at home? I'm scared o trying to 'fix' a cut, but would prefer to be able to... Any advice?
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a photo of your hair would help, but i believe there are always ways to frame hair around your face.
why not look for photos of hairstyles showing what you'd like, then bring it to her??
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How often should curlies be getting haircuts? Ive always gone to the same stylist, and she cuts my hair wet, but I've always been pleased with the cuts. I asked her last time if there was a different way she could cut around my face, because it was the same length as my top layers(which I told her I wanted to grow out, prior to finding this site) and just hangs down in my face, which I hate, so I always have to pull it back. She told me she couldn't do anything about it, so I just accepted that. Is she right, there's no other way to cut around the face, just the same as the other layers? I want to go back to get my hair cut shorter and layered. So I'm going to tell her to take my BSL hair to right below my shoulders, and put long layers in(it's pretty thick, so no thinning and long layers is best, right? Should I bring up about the hair around my face, even though she said she couldn't before? Or is there some way I could cut that at home? I'm scared o trying to 'fix' a cut, but would prefer to be able to... Any advice?
Originally Posted by Michellescurls
Maybe bigredapmi will chime in. I've gone to my stylist for 30+ years. When I wore my hair longer, he always cut face framing pieces. Now that it's in a chin length, inverted bob--my face framing pieces are the longest.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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Okay, I went a little overboard on the gel yesterday (hot and humid), so last night I did a low-poo with AOHR and a RO with AOHR. Then I put in a pea sized amount of DC One to de-tangle. Got it about 90% dry and did samples for my hair analysis (Live Curly Live Free - Hair Analysis). Then went to bed. This is my (mostly) naked hair this morning. It's soft and silky and frizzy, but the ends still look scraggly to me (particularly in the photo from the back).

Do you think this is something that will solve itself as my hair adjusts? Or do you think this might be a case of needing a stronger base? My hair was cut and layered when I was still wearing it straight, so maybe that's the problem?

Any suggestions are welcome. thanks!
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Last edited by RainyDayWaves; 05-28-2012 at 10:47 AM. Reason: whoops, forgot to add the photo lol
Great thread!

My last 4 attempts at getting cuts and color (tried 2 different salons so far in my new city) were all pretty traumatic. I feel that 3 of these times, I expressed what I wanted done very clearly to the stylists, and they seemed to understand. However, both stylists were still unable to do what I asked, which was really pretty simple (take a 1/2 inch or less of my layers to remove scraggliness and split ends, and touch up my roots with color). Each time I left with frizzy sticky hair, color that was way darker than I asked for, and was embarrassed walking home and frustrated that I had to do my hair all over again.

I explained to them how I style (don't use a towel, hair must be very wet to apply products, must saturate hair with product as it's very dense), but they just couldn't do it. Last time I went in, I told her after she rinses the conditioner, don't touch my hair, I'm going to style myself. 3 stylists stared in awe as I raked in my product (brought my own) and scrunched, and customers stared too. I felt embarrassed for them but I knew I did the right thing.

I gave each of these stylists 2 tries and it's time to move on. So, I think communication is a big part of it, yes, but sometimes, we curlies are doing our part to describe clearly what we want and even how to do it and the stylist STILL can't do it. Some of them are just incompetent with curly hair, maybe because they have little experience with it. I wish that stylists would be honest and admit it if they are inexperienced. I don't know how to get better at recognizing when a stylist really doesn't get it during a consultation.

I will start asking stylists how many curly clients they have who wear their hair curly, thank you whoever suggested that. I thought it would be rude to question them like that, but because of this thread, I feel I can be more assertive.

Oh! And both stylists attempted to skip-curl my hair, but my hair doesn't need that if treated right, it curls nicely on its own, and both did it when my hair was way too dry for it to work. Is skip-curling what is being taught in beauty schools these days for curly hair? If so, these stylists need new lessons because it looks horrible when they do it.
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How often should curlies be getting haircuts? Ive always gone to the same stylist, and she cuts my hair wet, but I've always been pleased with the cuts. I asked her last time if there was a different way she could cut around my face, because it was the same length as my top layers(which I told her I wanted to grow out, prior to finding this site) and just hangs down in my face, which I hate, so I always have to pull it back. She told me she couldn't do anything about it, so I just accepted that. Is she right, there's no other way to cut around the face, just the same as the other layers? I want to go back to get my hair cut shorter and layered. So I'm going to tell her to take my BSL hair to right below my shoulders, and put long layers in(it's pretty thick, so no thinning and long layers is best, right? Should I bring up about the hair around my face, even though she said she couldn't before? Or is there some way I could cut that at home? I'm scared o trying to 'fix' a cut, but would prefer to be able to... Any advice?
Originally Posted by Michellescurls

Most curlies take longer to achieve length so you can go longer beteen cuts. As long as your ends are fine and you like your shape, you can go as long as you want.
There should be no reason why you can't get the face frame you want. I'm not sure why she would say that, other than she didn't know how to go about it.
Talk to her some more to make sure you understand each other right
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Do you think this is something that will solve itself as my hair adjusts? Or do you think this might be a case of needing a stronger base? My hair was cut and layered when I was still wearing it straight, so maybe that's the problem?

It looks really good, but yes, you could use a stronger base. Next time ask her to drop out the bottom layers to leave more weight at the bottom. It is definately a problem that occurs when wet cutting or cutting the hair while straight. Dry curl cutting gives me a better visual and more control over how much I take out. Exactly what Struttswife was talking about when she said 45 degree angle.
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Great thread!

My last 4 attempts at getting cuts and color (tried 2 different salons so far in my new city) were all pretty traumatic. I feel that 3 of these times, I expressed what I wanted done very clearly to the stylists, and they seemed to understand. However, both stylists were still unable to do what I asked, which was really pretty simple (take a 1/2 inch or less of my layers to remove scraggliness and split ends, and touch up my roots with color). Each time I left with frizzy sticky hair, color that was way darker than I asked for, and was embarrassed walking home and frustrated that I had to do my hair all over again.

I explained to them how I style (don't use a towel, hair must be very wet to apply products, must saturate hair with product as it's very dense), but they just couldn't do it. Last time I went in, I told her after she rinses the conditioner, don't touch my hair, I'm going to style myself. 3 stylists stared in awe as I raked in my product (brought my own) and scrunched, and customers stared too. I felt embarrassed for them but I knew I did the right thing.

I gave each of these stylists 2 tries and it's time to move on. So, I think communication is a big part of it, yes, but sometimes, we curlies are doing our part to describe clearly what we want and even how to do it and the stylist STILL can't do it. Some of them are just incompetent with curly hair, maybe because they have little experience with it. I wish that stylists would be honest and admit it if they are inexperienced. I don't know how to get better at recognizing when a stylist really doesn't get it during a consultation.

I will start asking stylists how many curly clients they have who wear their hair curly, thank you whoever suggested that. I thought it would be rude to question them like that, but because of this thread, I feel I can be more assertive.

Oh! And both stylists attempted to skip-curl my hair, but my hair doesn't need that if treated right, it curls nicely on its own, and both did it when my hair was way too dry for it to work. Is skip-curling what is being taught in beauty schools these days for curly hair? If so, these stylists need new lessons because it looks horrible when they do it.
Originally Posted by diaspora
1) if your hair is taking color to dark, your probably high porosity. You may lose the color just as quickly. Ask them to lower the volume they use, deposit only.

2)I agree with alot of what your saying I'd just like to add that the stylist are not lying, they are taught that all hair should be cut the same. They really think they know how, and are probably just as surprised as you when it doesn't turn out as planned.

3) Beauty school and licenseing concerns its self with hygiene and dieasese. That is what the state is most concerned with. Stylist MUST be educated more, and not just hairshows ( big infomercials). This does mean higher prices for clients, stylist too.

Are there any deva stylists in your area? Find someone with great curly hair and ask her where she goes? Find a stylist with naturally curly hair herself and wears it that way?
We research the bejeebies out of ingreadiants and products, let's do the same with stylist!!!
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Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
Great thread!

My last 4 attempts at getting cuts and color (tried 2 different salons so far in my new city) were all pretty traumatic. I feel that 3 of these times, I expressed what I wanted done very clearly to the stylists, and they seemed to understand. However, both stylists were still unable to do what I asked, which was really pretty simple (take a 1/2 inch or less of my layers to remove scraggliness and split ends, and touch up my roots with color). Each time I left with frizzy sticky hair, color that was way darker than I asked for, and was embarrassed walking home and frustrated that I had to do my hair all over again.

I explained to them how I style (don't use a towel, hair must be very wet to apply products, must saturate hair with product as it's very dense), but they just couldn't do it. Last time I went in, I told her after she rinses the conditioner, don't touch my hair, I'm going to style myself. 3 stylists stared in awe as I raked in my product (brought my own) and scrunched, and customers stared too. I felt embarrassed for them but I knew I did the right thing.

I gave each of these stylists 2 tries and it's time to move on. So, I think communication is a big part of it, yes, but sometimes, we curlies are doing our part to describe clearly what we want and even how to do it and the stylist STILL can't do it. Some of them are just incompetent with curly hair, maybe because they have little experience with it. I wish that stylists would be honest and admit it if they are inexperienced. I don't know how to get better at recognizing when a stylist really doesn't get it during a consultation.

I will start asking stylists how many curly clients they have who wear their hair curly, thank you whoever suggested that. I thought it would be rude to question them like that, but because of this thread, I feel I can be more assertive.

Oh! And both stylists attempted to skip-curl my hair, but my hair doesn't need that if treated right, it curls nicely on its own, and both did it when my hair was way too dry for it to work. Is skip-curling what is being taught in beauty schools these days for curly hair? If so, these stylists need new lessons because it looks horrible when they do it.
Originally Posted by diaspora
1) if your hair is taking color to dark, your probably high porosity. You may lose the color just as quickly. Ask them to lower the volume they use, deposit only.

2)I agree with alot of what your saying I'd just like to add that the stylist are not lying, they are taught that all hair should be cut the same. They really think they know how, and are probably just as surprised as you when it doesn't turn out as planned.

3) Beauty school and licenseing concerns its self with hygiene and dieasese. That is what the state is most concerned with. Stylist MUST be educated more, and not just hairshows ( big infomercials). This does mean higher prices for clients, stylist too.

Are there any deva stylists in your area? Find someone with great curly hair and ask her where she goes? Find a stylist with naturally curly hair herself and wears it that way?
We research the bejeebies out of ingreadiants and products, let's do the same with stylist!!!
Originally Posted by bigredapmi
Thanks for the reply, Bigred!

Regarding porosity, it is actually low-normal. My roots and color never came out too dark before except with 1 stylist. He said he made my roots darker on purpose so that when my virgin hair grows back in, the roots would be less noticeable. I didn't ask him to do this and I hate it, it's darker than both my base color and my natural color.

Yes, I needed to do more research on stylists. I have found 1 Deva certified stylist in my area, plus one who is not certified but has 4 good reviews on this site. One reviewer mentioned that the stylist gave her the Curly Girl book to look at while she was getting her hair done.

This salon sounds right up my alley because they only use natural, paraben free products and the lowest PPD and ammonia color available. They claim it doesn't even smell bad or burn, yet still covers greys. My eyes and respiratory system get irritated from dye so I'd like to try this. I emailed the owner/stylist and asked her the questions you suggested earlier about her experience with curls just to be sure she understands my needs, despite the great reviews. Based on her reply, I will go in for color (get my roots lightened up!) and styling, and if I like it, will have her cut it.

Thanks for arming me with what to ask!
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Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
It looks really good, but yes, you could use a stronger base. Next time ask her to drop out the bottom layers to leave more weight at the bottom. It is definately a problem that occurs when wet cutting or cutting the hair while straight. Dry curl cutting gives me a better visual and more control over how much I take out. Exactly what Struttswife was talking about when she said 45 degree angle.
Originally Posted by bigredapmi
Thank you so much! There is a stylist with good reviews on here who was also personally recommended to me. I wrote down what you said and put it on a sticky in my "hair book" i keep (log of what my hair likes and doesn't) so I'll have it when I make an appointment.

Thank you so much!
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this has been very helpful.
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