What Should I Tell My Stylist?

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Hum du Allah for this thread...you have no idea! I have been on my natural journey for about 10 month now. I have recently started back seeing my "straight hair" stylist for basics ( i.e scalp treatment, DC,). I think am ready to have my BC, the split textures drive me crazy! 0_o
I haven't seen many curly head women in my salon, which makes me nervous.... Do I trust my stylist of 10 + years or is it time for me to move on?
Does any one know of a curly salon in the Queen City?

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I just took my DD to a salon to have her hair cut, and the stylist recommended using a razor. Little did I know to say NO! What do I do now? Am I going to have to have it re-cut to avoid split ends?
I just took my DD to a salon to have her hair cut, and the stylist recommended using a razor. Little did I know to say NO! What do I do now? Am I going to have to have it re-cut to avoid split ends?
Originally Posted by momto2curlies
She's adorable! Just keep watching it and treat it with TLC. Get frequent trims (or you trim the length) until it grows out. Possibly use protein--even something like AO GBP every so often. And don't go back to that stylist!
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I just took my DD to a salon to have her hair cut, and the stylist recommended using a razor. Little did I know to say NO! What do I do now? Am I going to have to have it re-cut to avoid split ends?
Originally Posted by momto2curlies
She's adorable! Just keep watching it and treat it with TLC. Get frequent trims (or you trim the length) until it grows out. Possibly use protein--even something like AO GBP every so often. And don't go back to that stylist!
Originally Posted by kathymack
Thank you, Kathy! I didn't feel great about this stylist when I saw her cut DD's hair like straight hair right after I had told her that everyone else I had used did this. It looked better after being trimmed and layered, but I have yet to wash it again and see how it looks when it is curly again.

This pic is actually about 4 years old. She has 2a hair now. I miss the curlier locks, but I try to keep as much curl in her hair as possible. Thanks for the compliment!
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Thank you, Kathy! I didn't feel great about this stylist when I saw her cut DD's hair like straight hair right after I had told her that everyone else I had used did this. It looked better after being trimmed and layered, but I have yet to wash it again and see how it looks when it is curly again.

This pic is actually about 4 years old. She has 2a hair now. I miss the curlier locks, but I try to keep as much curl in her hair as possible. Thanks for the compliment!
Originally Posted by momto2curlies
I know that hair changes through out life. However, it may be possible that some of the curl will come back if you start adding some moisture/protein to her regime.
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I'm so glad I came across this thread. It made me realize that maybe I should switch stylists. She is sweetheart but she does not like someone telling her what to do since she is the "professional". I finally got her to do a dry twist out style because I preferred it as opposed to wet styling. However, she looked at me crazy when I asked her to do it. In the OP first post, if I went to her and mentioned to only cut this part or to cut at a certain angle, she wouldn't like it. She even mentioned that everyone thinks they are a hair expert on Youtube and these forums and that they are not hair experts. But, I've learned so much from the hair communities and Youtube. Plus their hair is gorgeous most of the time.

Also, she only trims my hair if its blown out and wants me to come once a month so my ends can stay in good shape. I think trimming/dusting ends every 4 weeks is a little excessive. I do have fine 4a hair and I know that it is fragile. I always make sure to moisturize my ends. So, I'm thinking of trying a new stylist named Christina Carsillo who does the Deva Cut method. I see that she has rave reviews and cuts hair in its dry curl state.

Last question: When getting a blowout, does a round brush cause more harm due the bristles as opposed to a denman brush?
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Stylers: Qhemet Honey Bush Gel or SheaMoisture Deep Masque Treatment
yes, curly hair is fragile, but i would think that 4a type hair would not need a haircut every month,it just does not grow that fast!! she is either not cutting, or you are getting shorter and shorter hair as time goes on. i do think that is excessive.
any brush that is being used on dry hair or with heat is damaging. if you blow dry your hair, you should only use a diffuser and, if necessary, scrunch with your hands only.
i would definitely try someone new.
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styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
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Wow. This thread was extremely helpful. I just trimmed my hair, and changing the angle of how I was layering helped tremendously. Plus, I divided up my sections a little more. I was still able to cut it wet like I normally do, but just changing the angle took care of the things that were slightly bugging me about the way my hair looked. I also left weight on the bottom or a solid base...whatever that part was about stringy ends. and, I was able to cut with my part, so that both sides look more even. They looked pretty even anyway, but the very top looks more even on the left side, because I was able to leave that a little longer than the right side. Anyhow, I'm happy.
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Pre Co-wash: Coconut oil (plain & rosemary)
Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
Rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm
Leave-in/Styling: Moisture Maniac with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner on top
I just got the absolute worst "cut" ever.

How do you deal with stylists who pretend they will do what you say, and say they understand... but then do something else without telling you and you realize too late what they've actually done? Then they refuse to do what you said you wanted in the first place?

I need to learn to start being a &$*#* or something.. it was too late when I realized my hair was being literally ravaged by thinning shears and a comb and very rough stylist. I didn't know what to do at this point, since there was a huge chunk already out of the back of my head before I knew what the heck she was doing. And then I cringed when she took a curling iron to the piece that I originally wanted cut off, that she refused to cut off. If I wasn't a nice person, I would've smacked her hand away so the iron flew into the wall. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

Thinning shears definitely = FRRRRRRIIIIIIIZZZZZ. I JUST got my hair healthy, and now it looks completely damaged again. So pissed off.
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RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
I just got the absolute worst "cut" ever.

How do you deal with stylists who pretend they will do what you say, and say they understand... but then do something else without telling you and you realize too late what they've actually done? Then they refuse to do what you said you wanted in the first place?

I need to learn to start being a &$*#* or something.. it was too late when I realized my hair was being literally ravaged by thinning shears and a comb and very rough stylist. I didn't know what to do at this point, since there was a huge chunk already out of the back of my head before I knew what the heck she was doing. And then I cringed when she took a curling iron to the piece that I originally wanted cut off, that she refused to cut off. If I wasn't a nice person, I would've smacked her hand away so the iron flew into the wall. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

Thinning shears definitely = FRRRRRRIIIIIIIZZZZZ. I JUST got my hair healthy, and now it looks completely damaged again. So pissed off.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
Wow. Sorry about that. Stuff like this is pretty much why I started cutting my own hair. And, yes, it was a little butchered by me in the beginning, but with practice it got better.

I wish I had more advice, but doing it myself is how I handle things I'm not happy with.
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Pre Co-wash: Coconut oil (plain & rosemary)
Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
Rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm
Leave-in/Styling: Moisture Maniac with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner on top

Wow. Sorry about that. Stuff like this is pretty much why I started cutting my own hair. And, yes, it was a little butchered by me in the beginning, but with practice it got better.

I wish I had more advice, but doing it myself is how I handle things I'm not happy with.
Originally Posted by curry curls

I almost did it myself, because it wasn't a very big area to cover, and it was right in front. Looking back, I should've done it myself. I didn't trust me to do it, but right now I'm the only person I do trust... unless someone gets rave reviews from every person that goes to them. No more no-name recommendations.
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NP/LP: KMF Whenever Conditioner/ YTCucs
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
bumping this for reference.

should be a sticky!!!!
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leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
This was an amazing thread to read, wow! I am also having the stylist change dilemma, I love the mood and people in my salon and supporting more alternative stylists. They did amazing cuts on me when I straightened my hair, so edgy and creative and brilliant but now that I've gone curly I'm not sure they're the best fit.

They cut my hair wet, and the post-cut styling was awful. It was a frizzy and sad and as soon as I got home I washed it out to make sure it was just bad styling and not a terrible cut. It wasn't bad, but at the same time it doesn't feel 'great' and I'm wondering if a curly specialist could give my mop more shape.

Does anyone know what I would tell a stylist to do for this haircut?



Lots of short layers on top... long on the bottom?
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yup, this is a good thread and should be a sticky!

i would not say short on top, long on bottom. stylists can take 'short' to a whole new level. always say long layers. you want layers but not short on top!! bring photos, they are usually the best. and then, TALK about what she will do, what you want, and how it will look when it is finished.
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washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
I am very glad this thread got a bump! I recently searched out the nearest DevaCurl certified curly hair stylist. I wanted to talk to her before actually making an appointment, so I went to her salon and got very lucky. I walked in just as she was finishing someone and had about 10 minutes before her next appointment was due.


I hadn't read this thread before going, but she sat me in her chair and felt my hair, looked at the waves, and talked to me about what she would suggest. I liked what I heard, she seemed to really understand what she was doing, but I am so new to this curly hair thing that I was still nervous.


I made a 2 hour 1st appointment, 5 weeks in the future, but considered checking out another curly stylist who isn't too far away, just to see what she had to say. But after reading this, I think I'll just keep my appointment. Everything she said agrees perfectly with the suggestions here. This thread really helped my anxiety.
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Does anyone know what I would tell a stylist to do for this haircut?



Lots of short layers on top... long on the bottom?
Originally Posted by aspen
I'd bring in the picture. I get my hair cut similar to that. It's layered both shorter on the outside layer of hair, and shorter closer to my face.

Does anyone have any advice on finding a stylist that deals with very tightly coiled hair? My hair is 3c, but it poofs up like a type 4 hair. And it's extremely thick.

I don't want to make it about race, I know curly hair has nothing to do with race, but I live in an area where there aren't many black people. My options are to go to a salon in somewhere unfamiliar in Dayton oh, which depending on the part of the city, May or may not be a place I don't want to be. There are some really bad areas in that city. But there is also larger populations of minorities.

There is a salon near by that has a deva specialist. But none of the stylist have curly hair. The deva specialist has gotten good reviews but I'm afraid even a person used to working with curly hair, my not be used to working with hair as thick, fragile and tightly curled as mine.

I of course want to talk to her and ask her all the questions on here and maybe some more of my own, but I have found that stylists that are not used to african American hair, or even multiracial hair can't really handle it when they think they can. I'm afraid that asking questions won't be enough to really get an idea of what she can handle because I imagine most stylists will just tell you what you want to hear.

I have had horrible experiences, even from stylists that have kinky curly hair. I just don't know how I could ever trust a stylist knows what they are doing.

I've considered cutting my own hair, just because of the fact that even though I don't know what I'm doing I care about my hair. Where as some stylist I don't know may also have no idea how to treat my hair, but also not care about my hair either.
If you don't mind your hair being blowed dried straight you will be able to find an AA stylist who will cut it.

If you do then then the only option is to find a stylist who is used to cutting an ethnic group that often has curly hair i.e. Jewish, Greek and get a consultation from them. They need to be able to touch your hair and should examine it before indicating whether they can cut it. If they don't do this then don't let them cut your hair.
did you post this on the salon/stylist forum? maybe someone lives in that area and would know of a good stylist for your hair? i'd put the key words, dayton OH, in the subject section of your thread.
and, i am assuming you read the reviews on nc? they are not always right on, so i would pm anyone who reviewed a stylist you would consider.
good luck and report back.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
No I didn't, I was going to ask that question there but I thought this was more fitting because it's more about specifically what you ask a stylist before you get your hair cut. But then as I was typing I sort of realized asking questions only does so much because the answers people give aren't always the whole truth. But I will try posting it there.

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