What Should I Tell My Stylist?

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3b/3c, high porosity, fine strands but lots of em!

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Originally Posted by curlyink3b
Maybe send a message to atx_eve or post in the feedback forum. This thread needs to be a sticky.
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2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

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RO:
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LI (if needed):
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
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Originally Posted by rbb
^What she said.
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CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Winter Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO:
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done, Cure Care
LI (if needed):
Tresemme Expert Selection Perfectly (un)Done
Stylers: FSG, L'Oreal Studio Clean gel, Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's as needed
So I got a haircut.

I went from waist length to just below shoulder length, and wow this experience sucked so bad.

I told her I wanted my shortest layers to be chin length, and instead of making them chin length, she made my face framing layers chin length, and the ones around my head at least 2 inches shorter than that.

I said that my hair tended to spring up lengthwise between wet and dry hair, and still she left me with way way too may layers. I look like a 90s gym coach. It could have been worse, but wow it could have been so so much better. I just needed to rant. *deep breaths*
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This topic is great. I'm delighted by joining this discussion. I felt weird whenever I visit salon and suggest hair stylist a cut, and he/she totally don't have any clue regarding such cut. I think a good hair stylist needed to have great sense. What customers are asking they needed to understand in advance.
I'm getting my hair cut this afternoon, slightly worried as it's a new place, but I just couldn't deal with paying an extortionate amount at my previous salon for them to, essentially, hack at it. Okay, that's an exaggeration. They get it done, but by using a ton of sticky substances and blowdrying it really badly.

I am mainly a 3A with some tight 3B corkscrews - when I do my hair at home, this is. Yet at the hairdressers, they physically try and put curls into my hair, forgetting the fact that... it does that on its own? I always end up with a poofy mess and don't have the conviction to ask for no after-washing products (I use conditioner to delay the dryness and that's about it), never mind whether my sulfate/silicone free shampoo/condish can be used. In the UK, it seems like no-one has heard of anything.

My usual salon is owned my family friends, so I feel uncomfortable to be too demanding of the hairdresser, whereas I might try and be a bit more of an awkward customer later today. I'm getting about 5/6 inches off to make my hair a bit more manageable, but I can pretty much guarantee returning home and jumping in the shower with a clarifying shampoo. Ah well, we'll see.
i would bring my own products (you can always mumble 'allergies' if it makes you feel better). or, you can say not to wash your hair. or not to blow dry your hair, or to use a diffuser if they do.
worse case scenario, go home, use a low poo to remove what they put it, and restyle.
it's really about the cut. if it's a good cut, work with the other parts and don't be afraid to nicely state what you want -- your products, or no washing, or no drying..... i almost always leave with wet hair even tho my stylist uses either a diffuser or hood dryer, my hair just does not like heat styling. and, i don't have the patience to wait. especially if you are getting right into your car.
in any case, it's your hair and if say things nicely, with a smile, they usually just go with it.
bottom line -- are you happy with their cuts?
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Okay, this isn't too bad at all. I left the place looking like a ball of fluff, but a couple clarifying shampoos later and a good dollop of conditioner and I do like the actual cut. Slightly shorter than I'd like (I kept telling her how much it would shrink up but she didn't seem convinced so that was predictable) but I needed a change, so I'm good.
Tell your stylist to give you long layers, but to keep the angle at 45 degrees and not raise you up to a 90 at any time. Reason: 90-degree angles are very tricky on curly hair and, if she doesn't know what she is doing, you could end up with the dreaded "mushroom" or "triangle" head.
Originally Posted by StruttsWife
I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree here. A 45 degree angle would actually CREATE a "mushroom" or "triangle" head. A 90 degree cut takes weight out of the hair, creating a more rounded, even silhouette. I have to constantly remind my coworkers, when they cut my hair, that I actually need a 90 degree cut in order for my hair to NOT have weird, heavy sections. Weight is the enemy of every haircut, and this is especially true of curly hair. 45 degree angles create weight, and push the hair up from underneath. A 90 degree cut takes away that weight and allows both movement and true texture to be revealed.
My advice, as a stylist, would be, rather than necessarily having any sort of lingo or verbage to use with your stylist, simply tell them what you want your hair to do. Tell them what your hair goals are, and, whenever possible, get a stylist who also has curly hair. No one is going to understand your hair better than someone who has been through the same trials and tribulations. I have personally found that texturizing (thinning shears, razor) only work on the finest, lowest porosity waves of the 2a-2b variety. It can actually help those curl types to enhance their curl pattern. Anything higher than that, however, will be a disaster.

Thinning shears and razors can break the curl pattern and create frizz of epic proportions. Blunt cutting is the only way to go for tighter curls and coarse textures. A good stylist will understand that texture can be added, and weight removed from the hair without breaking the curl pattern. There is such a thing as blunt texture!

I also completely agree with the previous statement that layers shouldn't be started too soon! My starting point for layers is the occipital ridge, or the roundest point at the back of your head. Any hair below that point should never be layered (curly or straight). The front layers should always be as lean as possible, and the stylist should always refrain from layering the entire front hairline. Basically, when your stylist lifts the hair at the front of your head to layer it, all of the hair for the first inch or so along your hairline, from your part to the back of your ears, should fall down out of their hands. I also shy away from dry cuts entirely on curly hair. If I'm styling your hair curly, then I'm not going to destroy that style by cutting it dry. A good stylist can cut curly hair wet without making it too short.

Anyway, I hope this was helpful, as I included not only what my clients want, but what I want for my own hair. Hope it helps.
Hair pic in profile, couple inches longer now, and tinted pink. But still very stuck around this length. 2a/b very porous. Clumpy back, dry blah hair in front. I have never gotten it longer. I'm already transitioning to co wash, no cones. need the dry bits gone so I can start fresh. What exactly should I ask for cutwise to enhance my stubborn bits.

Last edited by Juiceboxwarr; 01-26-2015 at 05:03 AM.
I have an appointment this friday and I'm very nervous. It's my first time going to a curly salon to get a proper curly haircut and I have no idea what haircut I should get.
I want to get all my straight perm (waist length) cut off and my natural hair is chin length. My 2b/2c S waves are big and they start below my hair but every time I've went to an average salon I always got the pyramid head look and it was awful. I've heard that wavy hair doesn't look good short and since I've always had medium or long hair, I don't know how my hair is going to behave in a short cut. I hope it doesn't look goofy especially since I don't have the prettiest face either.
is there a photo you can bring that is close to how you want your hair to look?

google short curly hair and look at the photos that come up. there are plenty of wavy styles. (what i do is i drag the photo to my iPhoto, then i either attach it to an email to my longtime stylist, or i print it out from there.)
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
oh that's a good idea. I looked through as many short hairstyles as close to my hair type. Hopefully the result turns out as pretty as I imagine it. haha

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