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Danae 12-24-2010 11:41 AM

Can't straighten fine hair?
 
My hair is pretty much baby fine. It's really soft and I can get it to look okay when I wear it curly, but I'd like to option of straightening it every now and then... the problem is, whenever I straighten my hair, it gets so frizzy and puffy. My hair's healthy and everything, but it's so fine that it just won't stay down. I have a good straightener, I've tried a bunch of products... but nothing works.

Anyone else with fine hair have this problem? I am out of ideas. I'm tempted just to cut my hair short and get a full head of extensions at this point. :pale:

Morgan_Adcock 12-24-2010 08:57 PM

Does your flat iron have temperature control? I have baby fine hair, and have had decent luck using a Sedu Revolution at the lowest heat setting.

I've tried some different heat protectants, and so far the only one I've been really impressed with has been Aveda Brilliant __something__, but I'm not wild about the smell after ironing.

Curly Hair Solutions ReMane Straight seemed to protect my hair well, but I was able to wet it and have my curls return. I haven't used it in humid weather, so I don't know from personal experience how well it works then. I'm afraid I tried blowfrying first, and that was a total fiasco for me, as I don't have a dryer with a wind tunnel effect. As I so rarely feel a desire to wear my hair straight, I haven't had occasion to try it again yet, but will, as I've generally had very good luck with their products.

Danae 12-25-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock (Post 1551251)
Does your flat iron have temperature control? I have baby fine hair, and have had decent luck using a Sedu Revolution at the lowest heat setting.

I've tried some different heat protectants, and so far the only one I've been really impressed with has been Aveda Brilliant __something__, but I'm not wild about the smell after ironing.

Curly Hair Solutions ReMane Straight seemed to protect my hair well, but I was able to wet it and have my curls return. I haven't used it in humid weather, so I don't know from personal experience how well it works then. I'm afraid I tried blowfrying first, and that was a total fiasco for me, as I don't have a dryer with a wind tunnel effect. As I so rarely feel a desire to wear my hair straight, I haven't had occasion to try it again yet, but will, as I've generally had very good luck with their products.

Yep, it has temperature control. I'll have to check around and see if any stores here sell Aveda.
As for humidity, it's usually around 90% here, so I definantly need something that works in humid weather...
I've tried to bowdry straight and then flat iron, but that makes my hair crazy. And I'll be sure to check out ReMane. Thanks for the tips!

rouquinne 12-27-2010 06:47 AM

the only way i can stop the puffiness is to dry my hair straight from soaking wet.

i use BioSilk Silk Strate and a BIG round ceramic brush with my ceramic ion dryer. it takes some practice - take small sections, start at the back at the bottom, and make sure each section is completely dry before you move on to the next one (this is the most important point). when the section is dry, flip the dryer setting to cool to lock in the straightness.

and use a good flexible hold hair spray.

doing it this way, i can make my hair stay straight until i wash it again.

~Ghost Poster~ 12-27-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danae (Post 1551417)
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Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock (Post 1551251)
Does your flat iron have temperature control? I have baby fine hair, and have had decent luck using a Sedu Revolution at the lowest heat setting.

I've tried some different heat protectants, and so far the only one I've been really impressed with has been Aveda Brilliant __something__, but I'm not wild about the smell after ironing.

Curly Hair Solutions ReMane Straight seemed to protect my hair well, but I was able to wet it and have my curls return. I haven't used it in humid weather, so I don't know from personal experience how well it works then. I'm afraid I tried blowfrying first, and that was a total fiasco for me, as I don't have a dryer with a wind tunnel effect. As I so rarely feel a desire to wear my hair straight, I haven't had occasion to try it again yet, but will, as I've generally had very good luck with their products.

Yep, it has temperature control. I'll have to check around and see if any stores here sell Aveda.
As for humidity, it's usually around 90% here, so I definantly need something that works in humid weather...
I've tried to bowdry straight and then flat iron, but that makes my hair crazy. And I'll be sure to check out ReMane. Thanks for the tips!

Danae, as the not-so-proud owner of super baby fine 4a hair, I can tell you that nothing will lock out 90% humidity. Our hair is so susceptible to any level of humidity, it's not even funny. And, my hair wouldn't hold a curl either once I did get it straight. Baby fine hair is the most difficult to deal with. I BKT now, and I no longer have problems with humidity, but I don't wear my hair straight. But, it is super easy to straighten now, and it stays straight--too straight, in fact--irrespective of humidity. But, it's so soft that it won't hold a curl from a curling iron at all. Good thing I wear my hair curly--it's about a 2b curl pattern now. I only wear my hair straight in the waiting period right after a BKT application, and it stays straight no matter the humidity.

Even spraying hairspray on baby fine curly hair makes it frizz. Trust me, I've tried it all.

RacerWife7 12-28-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rouquinne (Post 1552259)
the only way i can stop the puffiness is to dry my hair straight from soaking wet.

i use BioSilk Silk Strate and a BIG round ceramic brush with my ceramic ion dryer. it takes some practice - take small sections, start at the back at the bottom, and make sure each section is completely dry before you move on to the next one (this is the most important point). when the section is dry, flip the dryer setting to cool to lock in the straightness.

and use a good flexible hold hair spray.

doing it this way, i can make my hair stay straight until i wash it again.

rouquinne's method is almost exactly what I used to do when I straightened (I haven't since about early September). My hair is also fine, BTW. I think the main difference between rouquinne's method and mine is that, rather than dry the sections 100%, I dried them NEARLY to that point and then went over my entire head one section at a time with the larger barrel on this:
http://www.conair.com/images/hc_160jbcs.jpg

That's the method I used for YEARS (not kidding - years) and it worked EVERY time. BUT... the curling brush will give your hair a flip at the bottom rather than being 100% straight. So, if you don't like any flip, this won't be the answer for you.

Oh - and, believe it or not, I didn't use ANY styling products when I straightened. As long as my hair was well moisturized, I didn't need any. All they (styling products) did was either make it feel gross or make it GET frizzy... definitely NOT what I was after.

CurlyColombiana 12-29-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danae (Post 1551057)
My hair is pretty much baby fine. It's really soft and I can get it to look okay when I wear it curly, but I'd like to option of straightening it every now and then... the problem is, whenever I straighten my hair, it gets so frizzy and puffy. My hair's healthy and everything, but it's so fine that it just won't stay down. I have a good straightener, I've tried a bunch of products... but nothing works.

Anyone else with fine hair have this problem? I am out of ideas. I'm tempted just to cut my hair short and get a full head of extensions at this point. :pale:


I have fine hair as well. My hair straightens fine. I use the i.chi chrome collection flat iron. It's basically a chi but it was like a holiday edition. I just use a infusium 23 as a leave-in. Then I spray chi 44 iron guard. Section my hair and then flat iron. Once I'm done, if I see any frizzies I just apply a little of the chi silk infusion. Then I spray a little (underneath my hair) aussie volume moose. I also tease it a little.

The only problem that I have with my hair is that it won't hold a curl with a curling iron. But my hair is already naturally curly, so who cares.

Danae 12-29-2010 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~ (Post 1552796)
Danae, as the not-so-proud owner of super baby fine 4a hair, I can tell you that nothing will lock out 90% humidity. Our hair is so susceptible to any level of humidity, it's not even funny. And, my hair wouldn't hold a curl either once I did get it straight. Baby fine hair is the most difficult to deal with. I BKT now, and I no longer have problems with humidity, but I don't wear my hair straight. But, it is super easy to straighten now, and it stays straight--too straight, in fact--irrespective of humidity. But, it's so soft that it won't hold a curl from a curling iron at all. Good thing I wear my hair curly--it's about a 2b curl pattern now. I only wear my hair straight in the waiting period right after a BKT application, and it stays straight no matter the humidity.

Even spraying hairspray on baby fine curly hair makes it frizz. Trust me, I've tried it all.

I actually bought an at-home BKT awhile back... maybe I should give it a try...?

Seeing everybody's answers, I'll have to give blow drying another try, maybe I've just been doing it wrong.

Thanks for all the answers! I'm getting my hair cut tomorrow, hopefully things go allright.

CurlyCowgirly 06-03-2011 10:20 PM

In my experience...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danae (Post 1551057)
My hair is pretty much baby fine. It's really soft and I can get it to look okay when I wear it curly, but I'd like to option of straightening it every now and then... the problem is, whenever I straighten my hair, it gets so frizzy and puffy. My hair's healthy and everything, but it's so fine that it just won't stay down. I have a good straightener, I've tried a bunch of products... but nothing works.

Anyone else with fine hair have this problem? I am out of ideas. I'm tempted just to cut my hair short and get a full head of extensions at this point. :pale:

My hair is baby fine too. It gets a little frizzy and puffy shortly after straightening it, but worst of all, it LOOKS dried out and fried. If I got extensions they'd be too shiny against my hair's dry texture. I so badly want silky, shiny hair. And the problem with fine hair is, in my experience, you have to use a lightweight serum, not a heavy cream or pomade, when straightening it since it weighs down and gets greasy easily. On the flip-side, a lightweight serum, at least the ones I've tried, don't really help straighten my hair nor create shine. The 'product' that works best at creating shine for me, and I know this is awful, is olive oil.

I've noticed the ingredients in all straightening serums/heat protectants, are pretty much the same. It doesn't seem worth spending a lot on these products because whether you pay $4 or $40, many of them contain at least some kind of combo of the following ingredients:
-Cyclomethicone or Cyclopenthasiloxane
-Dimethoconol
-Aloe Vera
-Castor Oil
-A protein such as Wheat Protein or silk protein.
-Vitamin E, B5, and/or A.
-some contain polyquats or PVP.

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Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock (Post 1551251)
Does your flat iron have temperature control? I have baby fine hair, and have had decent luck using a Sedu Revolution at the lowest heat setting.

I've tried some different heat protectants, and so far the only one I've been really impressed with has been Aveda Brilliant __something__, but I'm not wild about the smell after ironing.

Curly Hair Solutions ReMane Straight seemed to protect my hair well, but I was able to wet it and have my curls return.

I've heard good things about Sedu and Solia straighteners, though I've never tried one myself. And is the Aveda product you're talking about called Aveda Brilliant Anti-Humectant Pomade? Or is it the Spray-On Shine or Emollient Finishing Gloss? If it's the pomade, the key ingredients are aloe and castor oil.

I'd love to see straight hair photos of everyone who's made a suggestion in this post.

CurlyCowgirly 06-03-2011 10:30 PM

One more thing...
~Ghost Poster~ and Danae: What Brazilian Keratin Treatments do you use?

Morgan_Adcock 06-07-2011 03:39 PM

Aveda Brilliant Damage Control is the name of the heat protectant spray, which is cone free.

jenny.agnew. 07-17-2012 08:59 PM

So Sorry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danae (Post 1551057)
My hair is pretty much baby fine. It's really soft and I can get it to look okay when I wear it curly, but I'd like to option of straightening it every now and then... the problem is, whenever I straighten my hair, it gets so frizzy and puffy. My hair's healthy and everything, but it's so fine that it just won't stay down. I have a good straightener, I've tried a bunch of products... but nothing works.

Anyone else with fine hair have this problem? I am out of ideas. I'm tempted just to cut my hair short and get a full head of extensions at this point. :pale:

Same kind of hair same problem. I have countless hair productd but DONT cut it short. My hair is short and its a nigihtmare I wake up with a frizzy mini afro every morning. Keep trying

sinistral55 07-20-2012 11:57 AM

http://img.tapatalk.com/98b34292-989d-3876.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/98b34292-98ab-5abb.jpg


Taken yesterday and Wednesday......

This hair started out last week as a botched wet-set (aka roller set, when soaking wet hair has product put on it, then set on hard magnetic rollers and allowed to air-dry or dried under a bonnet dryer. <--for those not familiar with this process)

Anyhoo, with my hair, it is CRUCIAL that the hair is BONE DRY when removed from the rollers. The least hint of dampness--and it can be hard to tell when the hair's still hot--and the roller set will be a fail.

Anyhow, I got from under the dryer too soon and I got frizz about 3 days in, so I parted my hair up and ran the flatiron through the sections. At the time of these photos, the flatironing was a few days old. With Virginia summer heat and humidity. I'm amazed @ how well it has behaved.....I normally NEVER straighten in the summer.

I've noticed that ever since I got a Deva cut last spring, my straightened hair behaves a lot better. I agree with Rouquinne's tip of starting with soaking-wet hair.

Whether doing a blow-out or a roller set, it's imperative that the hair be soaking wet. I also have to be careful with some heat protectants and straightening aids.....they leave a coated, tacky feeling.

P.S. Does anyone have suggestions re: puffy hairline? I refuse to heat-style my hairline every day, gel makes it curl up. T


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Puffff 07-20-2012 06:27 PM

I have fine 3b hair. I donít straighten it anymore but when I did my routine looked something like this: I would wash it (at this point I was using normal shampoo and conditioner) than I would add leave in conditioner, let it dry a bit than I would take sections (2 inch sections) and would blow dry while straightening (I used a Bed Head 2 inch straightner or FHI Runway). The leave in conditioner I used was the large garnier fructis and sometimes I used some TREsseme heat protectant spray. I donít really remember having any problems with puffiness/frizziness except the times my straightner wasnít hot enough. I also found that the tourmaline straightners seemed to work better but I donít know if thatís because they can get hotter or because the brands that have them tend to be better.

Have you tried using just a leave in conditioner before straightening? In my experience I found that slathering a ton of conditioner on my hair (and letting it dry and get a bit Ďcrunchyí) worked much better than any other type of product. I havenít straightened my hair in a year but next time I do I plan on adding some coconut oil to my hair before (like maybe adding it with some conditioner after I wash and than straightening it the next morning). I would also maybe recomend looking at the plates on your straightener in my experience i found that some plates (worn or not smooth) can cause 'poofyness/body' cause they ruffle the hair.

oscuranotte 08-31-2013 01:29 PM

me too
 
I've tried everything, but nothing works. I have very fine wavy hair. I mean extremely wavy on the verge of curly. I think we are a very small market, because all the research I've done turns up nothing. Although the drying straight from soaking wet is something I haven't tried. I will be sure to do this next time.

No disrespect to the woman with the brush hair thing, but with this type of hair, I imagine others have the same problem as I - which is that our hair cannot handle much pulling. It will come out. Even with product, hair drying can be a bit of a problem. I do have a Revlon hair dryer brush, and it's alright, but yeah, it can be a problem. Am I the only one?

Humidity is a huge problem. In the summer, I've found that putting a bit of putty or glue will help control the halo of frizz effect on the crown of the head. Normally, I put it on when wet, because it can leave white reside when dried, and it will tack it down like nails through a carpet, lol. It also will plaster my waves and encourage clumping as if it were done with super glue, lol. This is great for maintaining a long wavy look, and best, it can be re wet.

The stuff lasts all day long. Personally, I like the Tough It Out Glue by Garnier, which I believe has been discontinued. Others work similarly, like Garnier Rough It Out Putty. Then there is the Spike Glue from Got2B.

Anyway, I hope that one day people realize this niche market and help us. It was recommended to me that I use a tension comb, which I have one but again, pulling equals hair loss. I'd compare the strands of my hair to a spider's web, or a fine silk from silk worm. I wish I were a chemist because I would be solving this problem for everyone, lol. :)

Firefox7275 08-31-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oscuranotte (Post 2204812)
I've tried everything, but nothing works. I have very fine wavy hair. I mean extremely wavy on the verge of curly. I think we are a very small market, because all the research I've done turns up nothing. Although the drying straight from soaking wet is something I haven't tried. I will be sure to do this next time.

No disrespect to the woman with the brush hair thing, but with this type of hair, I imagine others have the same problem as I - which is that our hair cannot handle much pulling. It will come out. Even with product, hair drying can be a bit of a problem. I do have a Revlon hair dryer brush, and it's alright, but yeah, it can be a problem. Am I the only one?

Humidity is a huge problem. In the summer, I've found that putting a bit of putty or glue will help control the halo of frizz effect on the crown of the head. Normally, I put it on when wet, because it can leave white reside when dried, and it will tack it down like nails through a carpet, lol. It also will plaster my waves and encourage clumping as if it were done with super glue, lol. This is great for maintaining a long wavy look, and best, it can be re wet.

The stuff lasts all day long. Personally, I like the Tough It Out Glue by Garnier, which I believe has been discontinued. Others work similarly, like Garnier Rough It Out Putty. Then there is the Spike Glue from Got2B.

Anyway, I hope that one day people realize this niche market and help us. It was recommended to me that I use a tension comb, which I have one but again, pulling equals hair loss. I'd compare the strands of my hair to a spider's web, or a fine silk from silk worm. I wish I were a chemist because I would be solving this problem for everyone, lol. :)

Seems to me the problem is us wavies and curlies fighting our hair, trying to be something we are not. Worldwide we are two thirds of the population, in Europe 55%, not a niche and not small.

oscuranotte 09-01-2013 07:53 AM

fine hair
 
Well, I imagine most of the world doesn't have stick straight hair, but a majority of people have what Naturally Curly calls type 1 - 2 hair, but usually not with the difficulties of a fine hair strand. That's what I was referring to as small and niche. Most people, even curly/wavy can straighten their hair pretty easily. For us, styling is a huge problem.

I gotta say, though, I hate that argument about being something we're not. If that's so, then we should stop wearing clothes we like, clothes we admire on others; make up we like or make up we admire on others. We should just stop doing anything that changes our appearance. If you feel that way, then it's alright, but I love playing around with hair and make up. I think most women do. Having straight hair is definitely fun.


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