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Old 03-02-2011, 04:27 PM   #1
 
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I've been researching on relaxers/keratin products for a long time and I keep getting caught off guard with what everyone has to say. They say bad and great things left and right about certain relaxers and keratin products.

Now, I'm just back to square one confused. I've been thinking about getting a relaxer because sad to say... I'm so busy and I just can't control my curly hair. I guess you can say I have a odd texture of 3b hair. It's just a hassle. I could never wear it down. I can't even explain. :/ I just need a change.

So now, I don't know what to do anymore. I was planning on getting a treatment during my spring break. I want my hair to be straight, yet natural looking, like a nice wave? Now I'm not sure what product I want to try. I don't my hair to be "omg extremely pin straight" nor do I want my hair to be the texture it is now (well, at least for the time being).

I'm probably being vague, but I don't know what direction to head. My hair is frizzy too.

What would you recommend for somebody who has 3b hair, a bit/mid frizzy, and has virgin hair? (By the way, I have A LOT of hair. I remember thinning it once, and it was the wrong thing to do. Will never do that again!)

I just don't want to take time to iron it. It takes me an hour to blow dry it. Imagine ironing? About the time same and even more.


And out of curiosity... I was reading some articles about people getting their treatments. Do you wear any masks when getting the procedure done... or eye wear to protect your eyes? I've seen some local videos and no one wears them. :|?
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:37 PM   #2
 
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I've been researching on relaxers/keratin products for a long time and I keep getting caught off guard with what everyone has to say. They say bad and great things left and right about certain relaxers and keratin products.

Now, I'm just back to square one confused. I've been thinking about getting a relaxer because sad to say... I'm so busy and I just can't control my curly hair. I guess you can say I have a odd texture of 3b hair. It's just a hassle. I could never wear it down. I can't even explain. :/ I just need a change.

So now, I don't know what to do anymore. I was planning on getting a treatment during my spring break. I want my hair to be straight, yet natural looking, like a nice wave? Now I'm not sure what product I want to try. I don't my hair to be "omg extremely pin straight" nor do I want my hair to be the texture it is now (well, at least for the time being).

I'm probably being vague, but I don't know what direction to head. My hair is frizzy too.

What would you recommend for somebody who has 3b hair, a bit/mid frizzy, and has virgin hair? (By the way, I have A LOT of hair. I remember thinning it once, and it was the wrong thing to do. Will never do that again!)

I just don't want to take time to iron it. It takes me an hour to blow dry it. Imagine ironing? About the time same and even more.


And out of curiosity... I was reading some articles about people getting their treatments. Do you wear any masks when getting the procedure done... or eye wear to protect your eyes? I've seen some local videos and no one wears them. :|?

I haven't seen your hair, but if it were me, I would rather do a keratin treatment than a relaxer because the keratin treatment will only last so long, and the relaxer is permanent.
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Old 03-03-2011, 08:27 AM   #3
 
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I've been researching on relaxers/keratin products for a long time and I keep getting caught off guard with what everyone has to say. They say bad and great things left and right about certain relaxers and keratin products.

Now, I'm just back to square one confused. I've been thinking about getting a relaxer because sad to say... I'm so busy and I just can't control my curly hair. I guess you can say I have a odd texture of 3b hair. It's just a hassle. I could never wear it down. I can't even explain. :/ I just need a change.

So now, I don't know what to do anymore. I was planning on getting a treatment during my spring break. I want my hair to be straight, yet natural looking, like a nice wave? Now I'm not sure what product I want to try. I don't my hair to be "omg extremely pin straight" nor do I want my hair to be the texture it is now (well, at least for the time being).

I'm probably being vague, but I don't know what direction to head. My hair is frizzy too.

What would you recommend for somebody who has 3b hair, a bit/mid frizzy, and has virgin hair? (By the way, I have A LOT of hair. I remember thinning it once, and it was the wrong thing to do. Will never do that again!)

I just don't want to take time to iron it. It takes me an hour to blow dry it. Imagine ironing? About the time same and even more.


And out of curiosity... I was reading some articles about people getting their treatments. Do you wear any masks when getting the procedure done... or eye wear to protect your eyes? I've seen some local videos and no one wears them. :|?

I haven't seen your hair, but if it were me, I would rather do a keratin treatment than a relaxer because the keratin treatment will only last so long, and the relaxer is permanent.

Took the words out of my mouth. Since you are looking for more of a wave than stick straight hair, a relaxer is not the way to go. Research a keratin product that you like. Coppola treatments are pretty mild, so I might start there. i do my own treatments at home and I have virgin 4a hair so I coppolla wasn't strong enough for me, but you'll probably like it. or you can even try the Brazilian Blow out ( the zero formeldahyde brand). Good Luck and visit us on the keratin thread for more info.
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Aren't keratin products more for non-virgin hair? I've always read that keratin doesn't work so well for virgin hair. :/
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If you're a 3b then maybe try a perm. I am a 3c (mixed black/white) and I get it to where it barely loosens my curls, but it relaxes them some. Relaxers do not work for my hair. Even with one on if I get near water it will go back curly.
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If you're a 3b then maybe try a perm. I am a 3c (mixed black/white) and I get it to where it barely loosens my curls, but it relaxes them some. Relaxers do not work for my hair. Even with one on if I get near water it will go back curly.
I don't quite know my original texture, but I am mixed too, and for the last few years the relaxer loosens my curls, seems like they loosened mine more than yours though.

I can't comb through my hair dry when curly, and after about 2-3 days my hair starts to mat together so I must start over. How long does yours last between washes?
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Aren't keratin products more for non-virgin hair? I've always read that keratin doesn't work so well for virgin hair. :/
Wow, I don't have any facts about that, I hope the poster looks into that part.
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I don't quite know my original texture, but I am mixed too, and for the last few years the relaxer loosens my curls, seems like they loosened mine more than yours though.

I can't comb through my hair dry when curly, and after about 2-3 days my hair starts to mat together so I must start over. How long does yours last between washes?
Perms last awhile for me. The problem is is you CANNOT comb your hair dry. It is horrible for your hair and theres no point. When I shower I comb it out in the shower with conditioner. Also I've noticed if I don't touch my hair it doesn't mat as much, but it still mats. I usually cowash my hair everyday or I may go two to three days without washing, but my hair is in a pony tail. My hair only lasts the day I wash it, after that I have to either wash it again or put it up.

I have found the more I cowash the softer my hair gets. I am trying the cg method tomorrow and hopefully it works.
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I have not relaxed in a while, usually it's was 3-4 times in a year. However, I haven't relaxed since the middle of Sept. and I'm experimenting to see if I can let my hair grow back in since like you stated I can only comb wet anyway. The problem is, I can only really distinguish the new growth in one or two areas, well, I guess that is and isn't a problem. What I can see looks like a slim coil, not sure I would like that as much as the looser curls from relaxing, but so sick of doing it!

The only time I can comb my hair through dry is when I'm wearing it "straight" (I haven't flat ironed in possibly a year) This is when I put some oil or something in it after a wash so I can comb out the curls and put my hair into a bun. I'd do this before a relaxer, or this winter when it was freezing out and I didn't want to deal with my hair for a few days.

My mom doesn't understand that I can't comb my dry hair. I wear my hair down the first day, down the second day (only touching with fingers no comb), and usually in a ponytail or loose bun by the third day. It mats just the same :/

I will be trying either tonight (depends on how late I wanna stay up) or tomorrow Donna Marie's shampoo. It's really creamy and supposedly has slip in it so we'll see. For washing, I previously was using the Hair Rules cleansing cream for about a year, but I didn't like the way it smelled (starchy and herby and it stung my nose), and I didn't see the point with the heavy silicone, but I didn't tangle. Then I used Daily Fix for a long while, and finally came to terms with the fact that it tangles my hair. I had big clumps coming out in the shower--obviously this will not be the case for everyone. Donna Marie shampoo smells a bit herby too, but hoping I like it enough to overcome it.

This past week, I experimented with nothing but Knot Today. Washing and styling with it. The curls didn't hold up as well the next day, but without any gel or anything in my hair, I felt like it didn't tangle at all in the shower. If I liked showering in the morning and washing every morning I would do that everyday.

I think I agree with you, that using more natural products has softened my hair. I think that is possibly why I've been able to go so long without relaxing and have the courage to at least try transitioning. However, I can only do it if I can continue to just wash and go. Once I can no longer get a comb through my head, the transition is over! No twisting, braiding, or protective styling for me!

I'm going to look into getting a Swissco Tortoise Shell Wet Comb, to see if that helps me to transition. I looked into the Mason Pearson Detangling Comb but the teeth are small and I'm too afraid of a small teeth comb. The store I called said that the Swissco Wet Comb is one of their best sellers.

We should be hair buds!
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interesting. What hair relaxer do you use?
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:38 PM   #11
 
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interesting. What hair relaxer do you use?
The first time that I had a relaxer that was not a kiddie brand from the store, I honestly don't know what kind was used. This was in July or so of 2005. Whatever kind that was used on me until Fall '06, and I think I had an Affirm, (or it could have been Mizani) relaxer. That was the first time I noticed the waves, and the rest of my hair was fairly straight so at the time I was upset. Next for a while I had Vitale Pro Tender Headed Relaxer. The first time I noticed the naked patch (early June '08, I was on the Vitale) Then, in I believe it was Summer '09, while I was waiting for my stylist I noticed that she was using a Mizani relaxer on the lady in front of me, who had very different hair from mine. So when I sat in the chair, I realized she was using it on me too and I was upset (I like my lady but I hate the attitudes in that salon, I'm seriously afraid someone there would f**k up my hair if I complain, like the person who washes it if she's busy, so I didn't say too much) because I knew the Vitale let my hair keep some curl. She said it was fine. I know it wasn't the strongest Mizani. I don't get as bad of a naked patch anymore but I still get one. By the time it grows back nice and full, it's usually time to go back for another relaxer. Part of the reason I don't want to go anymore.

Another big incentive for transitioning is that I may want to live in another state, or further away in my state, and don't want to be attached to this stylist or salon. Also, the freshly relaxed hair holds color (though I haven't colored since I was 20) differently than the rest of the hair, and I don't want to worry about going grey, coloring, plus relaxing.
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