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kikisf 01-24-2010 03:43 PM

4a/b texlax support and advice
 
I'm starting this thread so that 4a/b texlax heads who prefer to wear their hair curly or in a fro (as opposed to straight) can have a supportive thread to exchange tips, advice and brands.

I transitioned only to find out that my hair tangles and dreads easily. I searched several black hair care forums and discovered my hair type required me to wash/ condition my hair in braids. Basically my dreams of being a wash & go were only possible if I kept a short afro, TWA. (I prefer a BAA powerfro)

I was caught between a rock and a hard place. Rollersets and twist-outs took hours to do, yet never lasted more than a day because my hair wanted water but I couldn't wet my hair without losing my style AND going through a 3+ hour cowash-detangle-style process. (I have reaaaaalllllly thick below shoulder length hair so I'm not exaggerating about the time.) In addition I lost so much hair detangling while natural that my hair seemed thin to me and was losing instead of gaining length.

To simplify my life I got a texlax (Bantu for fine or color treated hair, cut with oil/conditioner,) in October 2009. It really cut down on the matting and breakage, however I still lose more hair detangling than I did when it was relaxed straight. My new growth because it gets water and conditioner everyday seems to be coming in curlier and smoother instead of the dense z pattern nap that it has traditionally been.

I'm hoping to find ladies that have had good results maintaining texlaxed hair so I can figure out:

1.) How to reduce the hair loss while detangling.
2.) How long before touch up. Once a year?
3.) Products that make texlaxed hair and a couple of inches of new growth happy! Aphogee vs Henna?
4.) Routines that are quick!


Thank so much. I don't have the time and patience to set up a fotki but am willing to share pics on request.

Namaste!

afrosheenqueen 01-25-2010 08:16 AM

1) I use slippery conditioners that help with detangling. The jilibre comb was causing tangles for me but my Goody comb I have no issues. My hair gets super coily with new growth. My stylist says the curls curl around themselves so I get major knots at times. Applying leave-in close to the roots in that area helps cut down on that.

2) I go about 3-4 months between touch ups. I would like to see how long I can go though. I don't want to risk overlapping. I finally found a stylist who knows hair and listens to me. It's important to know your hair so you can tell your stylist what you need. I wish I could do these myself.

3) I don't use henna or aphogee but I know there is a texlaxed poster here who does

4) My routine is super quick with daily wash and go's. At times I just put it in a pony bush or bun and call it a day.

jay76 01-25-2010 12:12 PM

Hi Ladies,
Your posts have me curious as to what a texlax looks like.
could anyone post pictures? I'd really like to see what it looks like.

Thanks
Caryn

kikisf 01-25-2010 01:21 PM

OK so I set up a picasa folder. Let me know if this works.
http://picasaweb.google.com/kikisf2/...eat=directlink

kikisf 01-25-2010 01:35 PM

Thanks for the response!

Quote:

Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen (Post 1236511)
1) I use slippery conditioners that help with detangling. The jilibre comb was causing tangles for me but my Goody comb I have no issues.

Which kind of goody? Like this? http://www.goody.com/Products/Collec...ling_Comb.aspx

vkb247 01-28-2010 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikisf (Post 1235953)
1.) How to reduce the hair loss while detangling.
2.) How long before touch up. Once a year?
3.) Products that make texlaxed hair and a couple of inches of new growth happy! Aphogee vs Henna?
4.) Routines that are quick!

Thank you for starting this thread! I have had a few pm's about texlaxing/texturizing so it would be great to have this thread to direct people to.

1) I detangle with a lot - like more than half a bottle of V05 - of conditioner. I usually use a denman which is great because it can actually get to my scalp and it takes out all the shed hairs so I don't have hairs hanging down after I am finished in the shower. I have used a Jilbere comb once and I liked it but I really want to try this comb http://images.ouidad.com/images/products/92009.gif. One of the main reasons I use chemicals is because I am not willing to spend more than 20 minutes or so detangling and I want my hair to grow long so just ripping through it isn't an option (duh!).

2)I touch up twice a year. Recently I did a corrective after 3 months because I want my curls to be looser for lazier hair care.

3) When I started to texlax I also started cowashing, eliminated shampoo, and started using conditioner/deep conditioner as a leave in because I had problems with dryness. Once my hair reached a certain level of moisture it became a lot easier to manage. Oil rinsing/coconut oil and henna have made the biggest difference in my hair care. Henna also helps me keep my big hair and gives back a lot of what the relaxer takes away. I stopped using protein when I started using henna (I didn't use it regularly anyway). I am protein sensitive but my hair loves yogurt! I use lots of food items and natural products in my hair and I hardly notice when I have new growth.

4) I recently started using an ayurvedic poo bar because of conditioner build up so I use that after rinsing out whatever pre-poo I have in my head at the time (usually herbs). I sometimes apply oil before or after the poo bar for a kind of modified oil rinse and then I add conditioner to my hair to detangle and get out the excess oil.

After I rinse out the conditioner and squeeze out a lot the the water I add coconut oil first, then a leave in, then my styler. Sometimes I blow dry on cool because my hair takes forever to dry. Sometimes I only use a styling product on my edges. Most of the time my hair is in a puff and recently I have started wearing it in a bun type updo.

afrosheenqueen 01-28-2010 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikisf (Post 1236912)
Thanks for the response!

Quote:

Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen (Post 1236511)
1) I use slippery conditioners that help with detangling. The jilibre comb was causing tangles for me but my Goody comb I have no issues.

Which kind of goody? Like this? http://www.goody.com/Products/Collec...ling_Comb.aspx


I'll have take a pic. I got this comb in the 90's and it's the only thing that doesn't snarl my hair up.

ericajoy 01-29-2010 04:40 AM

Thank you so much for starting this thread! Kikisf, I have a really similar experience of having hair that knots easily and takes a long time to detangle as it gets longer, and I really want and need a less time-consuming routine. I have an appt. on Saturday for a texturizer. Seeing your pics and hearing about people's routines really helped. I hope we can keep this thread going!

Muysana 02-02-2010 12:09 AM

Thanks Kikisf!
 
I also appreciate this thread! I am still all natural and working with a few products to see if I can manage w/o chemicals. I had the easiest comb out yet, today with Eqyss Avocado detangler and Cloud Nine cream rinse! (Yes, they were made for horses but are safe for the human crossover market)

If all fails, I am going to use The Green California Curl by Dr. Morrow. It leaves the kink/curl but loosens it slightly (or more if you choose) so that combing is very easy. I just want to shout out to Vkb247! Hey girl...you helped me out with my questions a few months ago!!!

Thanks again, Kiksff!

vkb247 02-03-2010 12:15 AM

Hey lady! I hope I was able to help and I'm glad you found this thread. I need to check out those last two products you mentioned because I've never heard of them!

Thanks for the love!

ETA: Dr. Morrow is actually Willie Morrow of 400 Years Without a Comb fame. I am interested in finding out more about this product because I wasn't able to find much online. He also created the jheri curl so I would be a little wary...

tcoady27 02-05-2010 10:11 PM

New to Texlax/Henna Help Pls
 
Okay, first thank you so much for creating this post. I decided to go natural and I have to admit I have had a hard time. I have not had a perm in years at least 3 but I had been wearing braids. Now I have finally decided to wear my natural hair out, but it is so hard. So I would like to texlax, but I also want to henna.

My hair has been growing like crazy but I feel it needs a little more strength. I have a really good wash, cowash, moisture regimen right now. I have done protein treatments (apohgee) but I not crazy about the results and every time I go to a salon they want to perm my hair and I don't want to deal with the peer pressure. I have stopped going long ago because of this, I even looked into Miss Jessie's because I felt they would welcome natural hair but they want too much money ($250 to $600). That's just crazy. Sorry I am rambling but here is my quandary,

1. Can I texlax and henna
2. If I can henna and texlax which should I do first
3. Any recommendations on texlax products.

Thank you in advance and I appreciate any help you can give.

kikisf 02-06-2010 12:27 PM

Wow. I hadn't looked for a little bit so I'm glad to see so many other texlaxed heads posting.


Quote:

Originally Posted by tcoady27 (Post 1249468)
Okay, first thank you so much for creating this post. I decided to go natural and I have to admit I have had a hard time. I have not had a perm in years at least 3 but I had been wearing braids. Now I have finally decided to wear my natural hair out, but it is so hard. So I would like to texlax, but I also want to henna.

My hair has been growing like crazy but I feel it needs a little more strength. I have a really good wash, cowash, moisture regimen right now. I have done protein treatments (apohgee) but I not crazy about the results and every time I go to a salon they want to perm my hair and I don't want to deal with the peer pressure. I have stopped going long ago because of this, I even looked into Miss Jessie's because I felt they would welcome natural hair but they want too much money ($250 to $600). That's just crazy. Sorry I am rambling but here is my quandry,

1. Can I texlax and henna
2. If I can henna and texlax which should I do first
3. Any recommendations on texlax products.

Thank you in advance and I appreciate any help you can give.

vkb247 hennas and texlaxes so you might want to contact her directly.

But from what I understand.
1. Yes
2. Depends. Most say space the treatments two weeks apart. However, curlynikki says her curls started loosening and hanging after doing henna (she did it every week at first and now does it monthly) so you might find you don't need the texlax or at least a shorter process which is always good. My hair gets kind of light golden tones on its own (although I'm dying for Vanessa Williams-esque highlights) and I would not be happy with it darker and definitely not red so I have only done the cassia which doesn't last as long and isn't as cumulative, however it is possible to highlight or color over cassia. and that is not possible with henna.
3. For me, Bantu no base mild. it is the only lye for fine/color-treated that i know of. it is the one my hairdresser recommended. after admiring this curly singer http://www.latricebarnett.com/press/hi_rez/007.jpg he told me she was his client and he texlaxed her. http://www.latricebarnett.com/press/hi_rez/006.jpg

But he told me I couldn't do that unless I grew out all my straight ends.

I think there are more texlaxed heads out there then we think.

vkb247 and I want my hair to grow long so just ripping through it isn't an option (duh!). I hear you!!!

BTW I just started using Pantene Nature Fusion with Cassia but I just found out the third ingredient is a heavy duty silicone. No wonder I like it. Will have to give it away.

also i noticed that i don't tangle if i wear my hair in a pony so I'm trying to alternate that with the "big and loose days."

vkb247 02-06-2010 09:22 PM

@ kikisf - I love her hair in those pics. I want to process my hair for longer so it can look like that but my hair is so resistant. I definitely think there are a lot more texturized heads out there. Some even say that relaxers were never intended to completely straighten hair...

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcoady27 (Post 1249468)
Okay, first thank you so much for creating this post. I decided to go natural and I have to admit I have had a hard time. I have not had a perm in years at least 3 but I had been wearing braids. Now I have finally decided to wear my natural hair out, but it is so hard. So I would like to texlax, but I also want to henna.

My hair has been growing like crazy but I feel it needs a little more strength. I have a really good wash, cowash, moisture regimen right now. I have done protein treatments (apohgee) but I not crazy about the results and every time I go to a salon they want to perm my hair and I don't want to deal with the peer pressure. I have stopped going long ago because of this, I even looked into Miss Jessie's because I felt they would welcome natural hair but they want too much money ($250 to $600). That's just crazy. Sorry I am rambling but here is my quandry,

1. Can I texlax and henna
2. If I can henna and texlax which should I do first
3. Any recommendations on texlax products.

Thank you in advance and I appreciate any help you can give.

Kikisf did a great job and was on point with her answer. I can only add that if I was you I would henna first and maybe even do 2-3 treatments before you start texturizing. You always want to make sure that your hair is in top condition before you use a relaxer. So if you think your hair isn't strong enough get that under control first. If not you might do irreversible damage by relaxing.

I cosign using a lye relaxer in mild or mixed with conditioner. When in doubt, please do a strand test to ensure you get the results you are aiming for.

ericajoy 02-07-2010 01:53 PM

Thank you all SO MUCH for all this info. Can I ask everyone a question?

So I went to the salon last week for a texturizer, but the stylist was reluctant to do it b/c she wanted me to stay natural. She trimmed my hair, blew it straight and french braided it for me, and I was totally happy for about a week till I washed my hair again. Now I'm back to realizing that I want to be able to wash & go without having a tangly afro in a couple of days time (and without having to blowdry, twist, braid, etc. if I don't want to!).

So I'm thinking again of getting a texturizer. One of the stylist's main concerns was that over time, as you retouch the roots, you develop straight parts and inconsistencies in the hair texture that are hard to style. Have any of you experienced this? If so, how do you manage it?

Thanks ladies! And kikisf, who is your stylist?? You can pm me if you want to share. :)

afrosheenqueen 02-07-2010 02:01 PM

It only straightens over time if you overlap processes. If you wait until you have enough new growth to do only the roots you won't get straightened hair.

I only have my roots done every 3-4 months.

kikisf 02-07-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericajoy (Post 1250756)
Thank you all SO MUCH for all this info. Can I ask everyone a question?

So I went to the salon last week for a texturizer, but the stylist was reluctant to do it b/c she wanted me to stay natural. you develop straight parts and inconsistencies in the hair texture that are hard to style. Have any of you experienced this? If so, how do you manage it?

Thanks ladies! And kikisf, who is your stylist?? You can pm me if you want to share. :)


I can understand your dresser not wanting you to texturize. Nothing is prettier than a natural head. But they aren't the ones that have to comb it when it gets wet! LOL.

My bangs and middle part are a bit straight at the ends and shorter from that area being left out from when I wore a weave. But it doesn't take much to disguise that. Either scrunching or a headband. My curls are not perfectly uniform but then again if you have a mix of 4a and 4b your hair isn't uniform to begin with.

The real question is what is your hairstyle goal?

My goal wasn't ringlets. I just want the combing ease and the ability to get my head wet without a few hours long ordeal.

Here is one of my hairstyle inspirations
http://images37.concordmusicgroup.co...za_artist2.jpg

http://www.willdoo.com/IMN/IMNadmin/...2008-68576.jpg

ericajoy 02-07-2010 06:13 PM

@ afrosheenqueen: Thanks, it's helpful to hear that you haven't had that problem. I probably wouldn't retouch my hair any more often than every 3-4 months either.

@kikisf: Yes, I love her hair!!! My goal isn't ringlets, either. I want more ease of washing, detangling, and styling. I actually want to try some styles like twistouts, *when I want to*, and I think having my hair a bit more stretched out will make this faster and easier.

So I'm really leaning toward texturizing...I'll definitely post pics if and when it happens.

And I love hearing and seeing other people's experiences! Please keep them coming.

vkb247 02-07-2010 10:17 PM

Its funny that you would post those pics kikisk. My mother had huge fro when I was born. I remember that she would braid it every night and tie it up before she went to bed. I was talking to her about maintaining that big perfect poof and she told me that a stylist use to run a texturizer through it for a couple of minutes. I was amazed!

As for hair getting straighter on touch up, this is what is likely to happen to you when you get a retouch and the chemicals are being rinsed over the hair that has already been processed. I highly recommend that you coat your previously processed hair with conditioner/vaseline/grease/base before processing your roots to prevent the hair from getting straighter over time and to keep it as healthy as possible. It's a big part of keeping processed hair healthy.

tcoady27 02-08-2010 03:39 PM

thank u all so much for your replies, I definitely agree that I will get my hair into shape with 2 to 3 hennas before I texturize, i am thinking every 3 weeks for the henna treatments, I'll see how my hair reacts. also any suggestions of websites for purchasing henna and indigo?

ericajoy 02-08-2010 08:26 PM

@tcoady: mehandi.com is a great and informative website where you can get henna and indigo.


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