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Hello,

I`m from switzerland, near to germany, so i often buy products in germany too. I started with alverde products, even before i know about the cg method. The shampoos tend to dry out my hair and scalp.
I then found out about cg and immediately i begun to search the whole online shops from switzerland for good products. I found a lot!

available here are: (and for sure in germany too)

faith in nature conditioner (some without glycerin)
the body shop rainforest moisture and/or volume conditioner (without glycerin)
Luminaris conditioner (without glycerin)
Logona shampoos and conditioners
Gliss Kur Ultimate Volume Conditioner (not the best, but without silicones)
Sante shampoo jojoba care
some of the lavera sensitive products

so far, these are all i found here. Try to search for afro shops, they often sell things for curls, we have online shops that sell 4naturals, curls, eco stylers, mixed chicks and other brands from the u.s.
oh and i`m envy for the three very good german shops you can order from, the postage in DE isn`t that much, but for switzerland... a little bit pricey.
I often order from iherb to, i like the giovanni 50:50 Conditioner for co-wash, its light and does its work for me.
I`m also doing some diy things, like PT`s and hair lotion, or FSG with additional ingredients. My hair loves protein, but hates glycerin and to much oil.

i also found the garnier naturals conditioner. Sadly i found out that quaternium-80 is a watersoluble silicone. I hate silicones in my hair, doesn`t matter if they`re watersoluble or not, they build up.

I`m a product junkie too i have a loooooot of products in my bathroom, didn`t found my HG`s, still experimenting.
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medium density, medium-high porosity, 2c/3a Curls, bright cherry red, growing out damage

low-poo: Sante shampoo brillant jojoba care
treatments: diy PT`s
Conditioner/leave-in: TBS Rainforest Condi`s & pure gelatin
styling: 4naturals spring back curling custard
SOTS with a tiny little bit of coconut oil

*don`t like polyquats, glycerine, silicones & too much oil

fotki: http://public.fotki.com/cherryredcurly/my-first-album/
Hey Cherryredcurly,

before I ask, I have to say "Ich liebe deine roten Locken!!! "

So my question is: Did u try the Sante products? I have seen them before, but somehow did not try it...
2c/3a curls
low porosity, medium/high density, medium width (as far as I see now )
CG since March 2014

Still searching for the best products!

Routine now:

Cleanse/shampoo with YTC Nourishing Shampoo
Cleanse with SM Yucca Baobab Conditioner/Rainforest Moisture Conditioner
YTC Pampering Conditioner/Loreal Everpure Moisture RO or LI
For styling I use any Eco styler gel (do not like the Argan oil that much)
For DC I mix SM Condi+Honey+Olive Oil
Fraenzy Dankeschön ich liebe das Rot auch! ♥

Yes i'd tested the sante jojoba care shampoo and liked it so far. I use it once a week. It has very gentle cleansers in it and some jojoba oil and you don't need much to get a clean scalp. If you try the conditioner from them, please let me know..

There is also a new product line from rausch for dry hair with a moisture/sun protectant spray, but they're not in stores so far. Can't find the ingredients.. i'm curious to see whats in it...

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medium density, medium-high porosity, 2c/3a Curls, bright cherry red, growing out damage

low-poo: Sante shampoo brillant jojoba care
treatments: diy PT`s
Conditioner/leave-in: TBS Rainforest Condi`s & pure gelatin
styling: 4naturals spring back curling custard
SOTS with a tiny little bit of coconut oil

*don`t like polyquats, glycerine, silicones & too much oil

fotki: http://public.fotki.com/cherryredcurly/my-first-album/
I have to try it, but after my problems with my last shampoo (Beautiful curls - wavy to curly) I bought yes to carrots and hope this will work. But Sante is sooo keen - if it works it would be so great! I will definetly try it on and let u know.
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2c/3a curls
low porosity, medium/high density, medium width (as far as I see now )
CG since March 2014

Still searching for the best products!

Routine now:

Cleanse/shampoo with YTC Nourishing Shampoo
Cleanse with SM Yucca Baobab Conditioner/Rainforest Moisture Conditioner
YTC Pampering Conditioner/Loreal Everpure Moisture RO or LI
For styling I use any Eco styler gel (do not like the Argan oil that much)
For DC I mix SM Condi+Honey+Olive Oil
Hallo deutsche curlies!

Can we also talk about where everyone gets their hair cut? I live in Berlin and tried a place in Pankow with the CurlSys method 2 weeks ago.
The cut seemed very rigid and non-personalized, she sectioned it as if it were a straight haircut, cut it wet, pulled everything straight as she cut it, didn't look at the natural divisions of curls (just took sections of all the same size). Then she cut a big curve into the bottom of each section.

She did NOT know how to diffuse my hair, she ran her fingers through it the whole time so I had a Pusteblume on my head when she was done. (Then she nervously smiled and said, "It still stays behind your ears.") I actually requested her to thin it because I was so worried about triangle-head when I saw my reflection. It looks pretty good now with my own products, but from what I am reading against thinning shears, I basically asked the stylist to give me frizz. Even though my curls are looking good, I'm not sure how much was the haircut, how much is finally finding my hair's favorite products, and how much is the weather!

So, the quest continues - do I try my next cut at the other Curl Sys place in Berlin, or do you know somewhere secret and magical?
Originally Posted by frankcesca

But from what I can tell by your description this person did not properply train.

I just rang a hairstylist here in Berlin who instantly told me that she does not find this " 2, 4 5" divisions of hair types very helpful. She was very nice, rang me back when her assistant had no clue over the phone, and has mixed (afro/euro) hair herself with one parent being from Nigeria).

But my main concern is that 2c/3a fine hair is different than 3c coarse hair and needs a totally different approach.

She wants to cut my hair wet but I had really bad results this way because ppl never were able to predict the movement and length of my wavy curls.

She offered me to come round and her advising me, without a haircut yet and without having to pay for it. To be honest I kind of lean towards learning to cut my hair myself and just buying myself a pair of good quality scissors because it was only cut somewhat well here in Berlin. Either the haircut doesn't last very long (which I suspect the Syscurl method as well), or the layers were wrong or it was thinned out like in your case.

The best haircut I ever had was cut dry, with a comb. The person sprayed a mix of destilled water and condi in my hair, did not pull, and sectioned the layers on the Deckhaar not to the sides but horizontally, cut them vertically /in nem schrägen Winkel ..it fell really beautifully and lasted for a long time, no Spliss, nix.

The haircut I have now is in V shape, which is good for the ends ( my longest hair is bis zur Taille/a bit longer, kinda tailbone). But the hair above it is way to long at the back and pulls and drags my hair down less than 2 hours I have washed it. I desperately need to find a person who cuts my Deckhaar...but they always struggle because they want to long layer it all the way through and that doesn't work with such a length so I think I will have to experiment myself.

So much to the haircut. Are some Berlin curly heads perhaps interested in a collective order from curly chocolate or if cheaper even from the UK, US or elsewhere? If shipping costs are divided this may as well be tons cheaper than ordering in Germany.

Or even better, we could, as suggested, create our own condi shampoo, leave in condi, deep condi, etc? Purchase oils that are then divived? Even if only one other person is intersted this would already significantly drop the costs..and that way more stuff can be tried out?

I have sorta done some CG methods for the past 10 years like hardly ever brushing it unless with condi in the shower but my products were always from Friseurbedarf and with alcohol and sulfates which I both now want to quit and stick to the CG method more methodically. Would love to start with some other curly heads together! so we will all soon look like this:

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