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Old 08-18-2010, 02:11 PM   #1
 
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Default New and Desperate! - 4b (4c) type of hair

I have 4b (4c) hair and I have been natural for over a year. It's NOT going good at all! My hair is really thin and I had breakages three times on three different spots. I have close to NO hair on my temples and the hair at the nape is not the same texture as the rest. It's straighter and grows really fast (like I have the black version of a mullet or something!). My hair was such a mess I had to cut it again yesterday - really short - to even it out! I'm so desperate I'm actually considering texturizing my hair now. It seems I had less issues when I was using chemicals in my hair...

Does anybody have a solution for me? I'm desperate now! Plus, I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, and black hair products is not something you find easily. Would anyone know what to do in such a situation? I really need results and hair!!

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Old 08-18-2010, 03:56 PM   #2
 
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well first of all you needt to get you a spray bottle and buy some gycerine and some rose water and put some oil in it to and spray your before you comb and use a pic also go buy some castor oil it thickens your and helps it grow ity also helps with breakage and go buy some henna and put that in your hair aswell it also thickens your hair
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:33 PM   #3
 
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I have 4b (4c) hair and I have been natural for over a year. It's NOT going good at all! My hair is really thin and I had breakages three times on three different spots. I have close to NO hair on my temples and the hair at the nape is not the same texture as the rest. It's straighter and grows really fast (like I have the black version of a mullet or something!). My hair was such a mess I had to cut it again yesterday - really short - to even it out! I'm so desperate I'm actually considering texturizing my hair now. It seems I had less issues when I was using chemicals in my hair...

Does anybody have a solution for me? I'm desperate now! Plus, I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, and black hair products is not something you find easily. Would anyone know what to do in such a situation? I really need results and hair!!

Pleaseeee!

I hope you've gone to the 4 type forum area to discuss this with others with your hair type and to the transitioning one to discuss with others gone natural after relaxing.

The reason your hair is a mess now is cause you texturized and damaged it. So, you're going to do that again? I understand--you're frustrated, but the way to solve this is not to do again what caused the problem in the first place.

I was reading my copy of ELLE today and there was a local dermatologist featured who has customers with thinning hair issues in the black community. You might wanna peek at the interview here for some leads on how to approach your issue:

http://www.elle.com/Beauty/Makeup-Sk...its-Drugstores

Visiting a dermatologist for those products may be fruitful. And finding a good hairdresser who can help with transitioning hair...hair that's growing out fresh and natural on your head (ie, not texturized) should be healthy unless you have medical issues, nutritional deficiencies, or are using traction on hair to damage it.

So, use gentler transitioning hair care techniques. Look into the products that dermatologist reocmmends. Make sure you are EATING well, enough nutrition and enough protein and recommended amounts of zinc, iron. You may need to do nutritional tracking for a few weeks to get an idea where you chronically lack. You can do this free at SparkPeople.com. If ound it very helpful. Found out I was chronically not getting enough zinc, folate, iron, potassium and other nutrients, so now I supplement.

Research MSM and biotin and see if you can take these. You should also research MSM powder application to scalp.

Make sure you are using protective techniques (the transitioning and 4 forums should give info on those), including during sleep and exercise, etc.

Also,many ladies on here use home-made treatments. There are some recipes over at Live Curly Live Free (Struttswife's site). You can google it up. You might benefit from trying oils and homemade recipes until you can figure out what products might be best and making one big haul shipment.

But definitely, if you want healthy hair, you're gonna have to give it TLC and probably go see a dermatologist to rule out scalp issues and get product recommendations and RXs.

Texturizing causes hair damage. It's not the fix.

Prophet30 has some great suggestions, and make sure you look at her siggie for what she's using for more possibilities...

Good luck I hope you're rocking gorgeous 4b/c hair in the coming years.
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:02 AM   #4
 
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Thanks!

Prophet30 - I didn't know henna thickened hair. I'll definitely try that. I already have rosewater, glycerine and castor oil at home. Tried it for a 3 months but didn't see any difference so I stopped. I'll give it another try though!

MirCurls - I'll definitely check out the other groups to see what they have to say. My hair used to be relaxed so I guess that had become my comfort zone. I guess I really need to embrace my 4b/c hair. I think it's going to take some time for me to find THE routine that really works for my hair. I'm not a patient person and that must why I'm so frustrated. 4b/c hair need a lot of caring and patience. Your link was very useful. I'll talk to my doctor. I already drink a lot of water and eat quite well but I'll see if I'm missing out on anything for my diet. As for the hairdresser for our type of hair, unfortunately, they're really hard to find where I live.

Anyway, thanks to both of you for your advice. I'm ready to try everything to really start embracing my natural hair.
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Old 10-11-2010, 10:06 PM   #5
 
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Default Originally Posted by CHYA I have 4b (4c) hair and I have been natural for over a ye

I have 4c hair as well and I began transitioning February of last year. In any event, to minimize breakage, I grew my hair out with braids for three months. I kept my scalp moisturized with castor oil and washed it once every other week. When I took the braids out, my hair had grown a lot. But since there was still a lot of permed hair, it knotted terribly. In any event, I let a stylist who specializes in natural hair care trim my ends (shape my hair), wash, and deep condition my hair. Now my hair has began to grow healthy on its own without the braids and I am ecstatic. Here is my hair regimen:

Daily - I oil my scalp only when necessary. I moisturize my hair with argan oil ( a little goes a long way). Throughout the day, I spritz my hair with a cocktail of argan oil and water (you can use any oil that you like - the key is to keep your hair moisturized). In the evenings, I either braid it up or roll it on rod rollers (depending on how curly I want it to be).

Weekly - I cowash and hyrdate my hair twice a week with a good conditioner (I use argan oil moisturizer conditioner). I actually wash my hair with shampoo once a month.

Monthly - I deep condition my hair with a good conditioner. I like the argan oil hair masque, but any good conditioner would be fine.

Lastly, I go to the hair stylist once every 12 weeks for a professional trim and style.

I hope this helps

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Old 10-26-2010, 06:03 AM   #6
 
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Hi Cookies, I am a 4a and I had been thinning on my crown too due to braids, weaves, bad maintenance, etc. I went natural almost 2 years ago and although my hair is now very healthy it has taken what appears to me a long time and a lot of trial and error on various products. I am now using something called Deity America Hair Restorer and I actually think that it is working. I am seeing my edges really fill in and my balding spot on my crown is actually getting smaller. They also have a shampoo, conditioner and a deep conditioner. I purchased all of them although I only poo every 3 or 4 months and co-wash all other times. Take a look at my avatar and you can see the thinness of my hair but again I must say that I think this product is working. The products are reasonably prices too, ranging between $10.99 and $20.00. I sure hope this helps. Also, look at my siggy to see the products that I am using.
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Chya, sounds like you're having a tough time and the climate is likely not hoping. I can defintely relate to the different textures. Here is what I would do--

Get a trim that gets rid of the damaged parts and brings the length of the hair in relation to the shorter pieces. This may be a shorter cut, but that's okay because you are starting with healthy hair which will grow easier. A good cut is important that each strand can support the other and your ends are clean. Then grow out from there.

In addition to co-washing conditioners and moisturizing/detangling conditioners, add butters and/or oils to your wash routine. Layer a butter or oil over your leave in conditioner (a small amount on the ends is good). Deep condition often. I like to shampoo after 3 cowashes and that's when I deep condition - more effective on squeaky clean hair.

For me the key is keeping the hair soft as well as having good texure that will last over a few days. Products like these help soften hair when worn dry -- I love Qhemet Olive Honey Hydrating Balm - great for wet or dry use. Also Qhemet Castor and Moringa oil - just a little is great for dry hair.

Get protective on your dry hair. In the cooler, dryer weather I have been using heavier products on my 2nd day hair - a mix of Aquage illuminating gelade (a pomadey gel I use on dry hair), Qhemet OHHB, Devacurl Setup and Above and Devacurl Set it free. I use less SIf and more of the heavier products. I use pea-size bit of each for my entire head, mixed together.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:05 AM   #8
 
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Your hair woes my be due to a combination of factors: bad hair care practices and genetics --not to mention that 4c type is the hardest to care for.
I'd suggest you stop putting chemicals in your hair. A texturizer is just as damaging as a relaxer.
Since you just cut your hair, this is a good time to start caring for it properly --but first, check with your dermatologist to ensure that there are no underlying factors. All hair grows (unless there is some disease that interferes with it)....its ensuring that it stays on your head thats the challenge.
-Eat healthy, exercise, drink ALOT of water, -moisturize daily with a water-based product that has glycerin near the top of the ingredients list (try to avoid ones with too many silicones and other ingredients that coat the hair and scalp)...
-wash weekly --or as needed- with a gentle shampoo (preferably one without sulphates); always follow-up with a deep-conditioner that is moisture-based. -Natural hair doesnt usually require alot of protein treatments, so you can do one every month with a moderate protein treatment.
- keep your hair in protective styles as much as possible once it starts growing out (that is, styles that protect your ends, such as braiding,and buns ---not too tight). There are examples of many protective style son youtube.
-Also, after each wash, you must use a leave-in conditioner
- You will have to experiment with products until you find the ones that work best for your hair but with type 4c, stick to moisturizing, water-based products.

these should help.
Best of luck...
You should also check out blogs and YT vids with ladies who have your hair type, to see what they are doing to manage it.
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moisturizing shampoos and conditioners
design essentials moisture retention shampoo
design essentials moisturizing stimulations conditioner

creme of nature nourishing conditioner (excellent, light moisturizing conditioner)

protein products
organic root stimulator olive oil replenishing conditioner (light protein)
jherri redding 100% protein conditioner (this is a moderate-heavy leave-in treatment)


moisturizers
glycerin and water mix
wave nouveau moisturizing finishing lotion (this is my staple, its fantastic)


moisturizing leave ins
design essentials hydrating leave-in

protein-based leave ins:

Aphogee pro-vitamin leave-in (the original formula)

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Hmmm it does sound like you have damaged your hair . You may try a deep conditioner and try to stay away from anything that has chemicals in it. Try to find an oil that can be absorbed by your hair type. I also agree with some othr post leave in conditioner is a good thing also.
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