help !! Frizzy mess w/ too many textures lol

Hi ! I'm new to the forums, though I've been checking naturally curly since I started my transition . But now to my dilemma ...

Im about 10 months post relaxer with about 5/6 inches of new growth .
I've bought loads of products for thick coarse hair ( which is what I have in front) only to realize that my crown area is WAVY ! no clue what to do with this very thick but fine (?) wavy frizzy mess . I'd say its about 2b or 2c . Very wavy wont curl at all and soooo frizzy . But my edges on the other hand are extremely curly and they're about a 3/c maybe even a 4/a in the back . Twist outs and bantu-knots and all that great stuff does not work for me. Cocoon curls work w/ heat but its still not what I want. Is there anyone with these hair types all on head out there except me ? LoL Its impossible for me to find much about wavy hair besides knowing I need a lightweigh leave in .

Im planning on cutting off my relaxed ends soon but im terrified now that I realize I've been neglecting to learn about the wavy hair .

Any suggestions or styling advice ? (BTW I plan on cutting it into a tapered style, the top would be ear length or close, so very short) I would love to be a wash and go kind of gal and not use heat but I dont think I have that option .

Transitioning from relaxed to natural .
Hair Type : NO CLUE ! lol. 2b/c in the crown and 3c in the edges and nape area .
Wash/condition : L'Oreal Everfree Sulfate Free Shampoo
Pantene Relaxed and Natural
Co-Wash : Sauve Coconut Conditioner
Leave-in : Cantu SB
Styling : Eco-Styler Gel (only for up-dos, way to heavy for my waves )
D/C : Homemade conditioners ( avocado, acv, mayo or eggs/olive oil)

About 5 inches of new hair and 6/7 of relaxed hair (i think) BSL .
Welcome!

Are you choosing your products and ingredients based on your hair properties, dew points/ humidity and protein-moisture balance? Your routine sounds like wall to wall occlusives (oils and butters) and little in the way of emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants) or hydrolysed protein. Major frizzing and failing to curl together suggests either product build up or poor protein-moisture balance.

You don't say which Cantu product but the leave in is not a true conditioner it's more of a pomade. Eggs are not a protein treatment, they are another oil treatment, the proteins are too large to penetrate or stick to the hair, hair needs hydrolysed protein. Mayonnaise is not a protein treatment either, there is precious little egg/ protein, usually just non penetrating vegetable oils.

If you want to DIY choose your ingredients based on knowledge of their component parts and proven efficacy. Gelatin contains hydrolysed protein, coconut oil is the most penetrating and is great for chemically treated or porous hair, works well balanced with humectants like aloe vera and/ or honey (can help boost curl).

Wavy hair does not necessarily need a lightweight leave in, that depends on your hair properties (porosity, coarseness, thickness). My damaged wavy hair does well with rich leave ins containing penetrating ingredients (coconut or avocado oil/ hydrolysed protein/ ceramides/ panthenol) tho not heavy ones that do little more than sit on the hair or build up (shea butter).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-01-2013 at 04:58 AM.
Thank You,

And thats a good question b.c i'm not sure about my hairs properties like high or low porosity, I just know it soaks up water fairly quickly . I thought I was using a good amount of both proteins and moisture, My hair does not curl together but my waves do clump up, the major frizziness is my crown .

I do use the Cantu Shea Butter Leave-in and it is water based so I didnt consider it a pomade . I do have the pomade (oil based) but I've never used it . I usually use the avocado/mayo/eggs as the protein in my DC and olive oil as the sealant and ACV to clarify . Based off dietary information, I know that the avocado, mayo and eggs are high in proteins .. not sure if that relates when its put in my hair . What are some examples of hydrolysed protein ?

I have used the henna protein treatment a couple times before but it only leaves my hair feeling stiff and brittle with a lot of buildup .

I do use a light mixture of oils after just misting my hair with water before bed and that always leaves my hair very soft .

How can i learn more about porosity ? .

Transitioning from relaxed to natural .
Hair Type : NO CLUE ! lol. 2b/c in the crown and 3c in the edges and nape area .
Wash/condition : L'Oreal Everfree Sulfate Free Shampoo
Pantene Relaxed and Natural
Co-Wash : Sauve Coconut Conditioner
Leave-in : Cantu SB
Styling : Eco-Styler Gel (only for up-dos, way to heavy for my waves )
D/C : Homemade conditioners ( avocado, acv, mayo or eggs/olive oil)

About 5 inches of new hair and 6/7 of relaxed hair (i think) BSL .
Thank You,

And thats a good question b.c i'm not sure about my hairs properties like high or low porosity, I just know it soaks up water fairly quickly . I thought I was using a good amount of both proteins and moisture, My hair does not curl together but my waves do clump up, the major frizziness is my crown .

I do use the Cantu Shea Butter Leave-in and it is water based so I didnt consider it a pomade . I do have the pomade (oil based) but I've never used it . I usually use the avocado/mayo/eggs as the protein in my DC and olive oil as the sealant and ACV to clarify . Based off dietary information, I know that the avocado, mayo and eggs are high in proteins .. not sure if that relates when its put in my hair . What are some examples of hydrolysed protein ?

I have used the henna protein treatment a couple times before but it only leaves my hair feeling stiff and brittle with a lot of buildup .

I do use a light mixture of oils after just misting my hair with water before bed and that always leaves my hair very soft .

How can i learn more about porosity ? .
Originally Posted by wavyfrizzynewbi
Avocado and commercial mayonnaise are not high in protein even in dietary terms they are both rich sources of fats, avocado oil supplies oleic acid same as olive oil, mayo is usually a non penetrating polyunsaturated vegetable oil.

Eggs are good source of dietary protein as well as fats but the proteins are simply too large to penetrate hair, the yolk supplies both oleic acid and saturates. The only all natural/ food source of hydrolysed (chopped up) protein is gelatin, otherwise it's a case of purchasing haircare products.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Part 1 of 2: Porosity - Definition and Causes
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Junk Science - Hair Porosity Tests / Float or Sink
Porosity and Curly Hair
Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?
Basically everything here on NC by Tonya McKay and on the Natural Haven blog is worth reading.

Ingredients that help your hair retain moisture/ hydration include humectants (proteins loosely fall in this group), balanced with emollients (cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols) and occlusives/ sealants (oils and butters). Emollients are always the basis of a true conditioner, some products will then be richer in protein, others rich in occlusives, others in humectants or a balance of two or three.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-01-2013 at 11:17 AM.
Ohh okay I understand what your saying a bit better now . So my routine is not necessarily protein devoid, just not the right protein. Okay I'm going to do my research a bit more on proteins and see what I can come up with . I'm not opposed to buying more protein rich products just wasnt sure how to tell the difference. Thanks so much !

Transitioning from relaxed to natural .
Hair Type : NO CLUE ! lol. 2b/c in the crown and 3c in the edges and nape area .
Wash/condition : L'Oreal Everfree Sulfate Free Shampoo
Pantene Relaxed and Natural
Co-Wash : Sauve Coconut Conditioner
Leave-in : Cantu SB
Styling : Eco-Styler Gel (only for up-dos, way to heavy for my waves )
D/C : Homemade conditioners ( avocado, acv, mayo or eggs/olive oil)

About 5 inches of new hair and 6/7 of relaxed hair (i think) BSL .

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