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Old 07-19-2008, 06:51 PM   #1
 
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Default Transitioning Help Needed

Have joined the transitioning challenge. It's been more than three months without a texturizer and I am fretting over and studying my hair so much it's ridiculous!

I condition wash and use Deva One Condition, Heaven in Hair Deep Treatment and AnGell and Set-it-Free for scrunching loose curls. I want tighter curls though so I'm trying to hold out and see if I'll get what I want with my natural curl pattern.

I was just reading the Miss Jessie product site. While I love the Deva Curl products, my new growth at the hairline above my ears feels so thick and wiry, I'm wondering what to use to smooth the texture between natural new growth and texturized hair.

Has anyone had success with the Miss Jessie Curly Buttercreme or Baby Buttercreme? Both say they're great for maintaining hairline control and new hair growth.

Has anyone had success with the Miss Jessie Curly Pudding or Curly Meringue (is that just a lighter version of Curly Pudding). Would it be worth switching to these products or would I need to wait until I have more natural growth (I'm only at an inch and a half, maybe a little more right now).
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I haven't used either of those products but they are expensive so you may want to wait till you have more hair to invest in that. I would actually invest in a thick moisturizing conditoner such as Giovanni direct leave-in......have you tried the carmel treatment there are many recipes floating on this site and really helps to hydrate and loosen the curl. HTH
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:25 PM   #3
 
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Default What is the carmel treatment?

What is the carmel treatment?

I actually had the opportunity to speak with Ana at the Devachan Salon yesterday. She recommended I dilute One Condition witih water and use that to set my curls with only a light layer of the Angell on top of that. I tried it yesterday. The new growth felt softer but the texturized hair didn't hold its curl nearly as well as it did before I started this growing- out process.

I really struggle with why I'm trying to grow out my natural curl pattern. Once I found the Deva products this past May, I loved the way my hair looked. Now I've gotten into this transitioning thing and I don't like the way my hair looks most of the time. If I'm holding out to see how much new hair growth I'll have 6 to 12 months after my last texturizer touch-up, will I go through that whole long period looking awful, only to decide by the end of it that my natural hair is not something I can work with and wind up returning to texturizers.

Maybe the carmel treatment can help.

What is the Giovanni conditioner and where is it available?
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From what I have read you will not know your true hair texture till you BC and as far as liking your transitioning hair I can totally relate but then again you gotta remember you have texturized hair covering up your curls so what your seeing is NOT ur true hair texture. I think that hot oil treatments using pure oils such as olive oil or coconut oil will help the the texture of your hair. Are you doing weekly protein treatments....your hair may too moisturized that may be why it is not holding a curl. (Lustrasilk shea mango, Apoghee 2min Keratin protein condish)


You can do a search on the site for different carmel treatment recipes but her is mine:

Wheat germ oil 1/2 tbsp
Castor oil 1/2 tsp
Olive oil 1/2 tsp
Honey 2 tablespoons
4 oz baby food bananna
1 tsp conditioner
molassses 1 tbsp



Btw I don't how many inches your hair grows a month...my hair grows about 1/2 a month so it could be a few months before you really see ur natural hair texture.

Giovanni direct can be found at any health food store or Walgreens/CVS.

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What is the carmel treatment?

I actually had the opportunity to speak with Ana at the Devachan Salon yesterday. She recommended I dilute One Condition witih water and use that to set my curls with only a light layer of the Angell on top of that. I tried it yesterday. The new growth felt softer but the texturized hair didn't hold its curl nearly as well as it did before I started this growing- out process.

I really struggle with why I'm trying to grow out my natural curl pattern. Once I found the Deva products this past May, I loved the way my hair looked. Now I've gotten into this transitioning thing and I don't like the way my hair looks most of the time. If I'm holding out to see how much new hair growth I'll have 6 to 12 months after my last texturizer touch-up, will I go through that whole long period looking awful, only to decide by the end of it that my natural hair is not something I can work with and wind up returning to texturizers.

Maybe the carmel treatment can help.

What is the Giovanni conditioner and where is it available?
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:50 AM   #5
 
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Question Carmel Treatment or Jessiecurl

How would you compare using the carmel treatment with the Jessiecurl Weekly Deep Treatment conditioner for help with transitioning? Are they two different things? I just read the thread on deep conditioning while transitioning and people were raving about the Jessiecurl product. Its reviews in the CurlTalk product thread were great too. Do you recommend using the carmel treatment once a month (or every 5-6 weeks as I read elsewhere) and the Jessiecurl treatment all the other weeks?

Have you ever tried the E'Tae carmel treatment? I'm wondering if it's just simpler to buy the product from them rather than running around collecting ingredients to make my own. (I was glad to see that in your recipes, you used straight oils rather than the butters many of the recipes contain. Trying to find those butters, even online seems to be incredibly time consuming).
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Smile Trying the caramel treatment

I have just gotten the recipe for the caramel treatment today. I will be mixing it and trying it tomorrow. I will let all know the results!
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:17 AM   #7
 
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How would you compare using the carmel treatment with the Jessiecurl Weekly Deep Treatment conditioner for help with transitioning? Are they two different things? I just read the thread on deep conditioning while transitioning and people were raving about the Jessiecurl product. Its reviews in the CurlTalk product thread were great too. Do you recommend using the carmel treatment once a month (or every 5-6 weeks as I read elsewhere) and the Jessiecurl treatment all the other weeks?

Have you ever tried the E'Tae carmel treatment? I'm wondering if it's just simpler to buy the product from them rather than running around collecting ingredients to make my own. (I was glad to see that in your recipes, you used straight oils rather than the butters many of the recipes contain. Trying to find those butters, even online seems to be incredibly time consuming).
The Caramel Treatment is "okay". I did both the homemade one and the E'TAE and there is no difference. If you want to try it I would suggest making your own. These are the ingredients on my bottle:

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olive oil
bananas
molasses
cornstarch
water
vinegar
wheat germ oil

The bottle is only eight ounces and I used 3/4 of it with one application (my hair is only a little past shoulder length) ! It's not worth buying it, especially when it's so easy to make and those products are so readily available.

As for what it did for my hair, well, not much. I have 4a hair, I think (I'm still transtioning) and it did make my hair VERY shiny (but I don't care about shine, I never had a problem with needing shine) and a little softer, but no more soft than a regular deep treatment.

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I have read great reviews on Jessicurl conditioner but I have never used any of their products so I can't compare the 2 for you...as someone else posted I recomend just making your own many of the products can be found in any natural food store or even in Walmart....wheat germ oil may be harder to find but until i that oil I just used olive & castor and had fabolous results. Good luck with your transition!


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How would you compare using the carmel treatment with the Jessiecurl Weekly Deep Treatment conditioner for help with transitioning? Are they two different things? I just read the thread on deep conditioning while transitioning and people were raving about the Jessiecurl product. Its reviews in the CurlTalk product thread were great too. Do you recommend using the carmel treatment once a month (or every 5-6 weeks as I read elsewhere) and the Jessiecurl treatment all the other weeks?

Have you ever tried the E'Tae carmel treatment? I'm wondering if it's just simpler to buy the product from them rather than running around collecting ingredients to make my own. (I was glad to see that in your recipes, you used straight oils rather than the butters many of the recipes contain. Trying to find those butters, even online seems to be incredibly time consuming).
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Default Tried the caramel treatment

I did mix up a batch of homemade caramel treatment. I already had a number of the ingredients. Buying the rest totaled what it would have cost for purchase and shipping of the E'tae product and I can always use the food grade products around the house.

Anyway, I did the treatment on July 30 and I have to say my hair didn't feel particularly soft when I was rinsing it out or afterward either. I may have some more curl definition around the hairline and that's where I wanted to soften the feel as I'm growing out of the texturizer. But it didn't make the hairline feel or look as if I'd had a relaxer (as some have claimed about the caramel treatment). I didn't use cornstarch because I liked the consistency without it. Might that have made a difference?

I used the Deva Heaven in Hair deep conditioner today and had a REALLY difficult time combing through the two textures afterward.

What I've been doing is co-washing with Deva's One Condition, using that same product diluted with water as the setting agent for my new growth and then applying the Deva AnGell on the texturized hair. Sometimes this works. Somedays...not so much.

I'm so uncertain what the outcome of this transitioning will be. I'm not interested in growing out my natural hair (btw --I think it's a 4a type), just to straighten it with heat. I want to wear it curly, but I'm having a super difficult time finding hairstyles that play up the 4a hair type without fades or freaked-out cuts.

I'd love any suggestions for hairstyle galleries and more suggestions on product help.
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:54 AM   #10
 
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I did mix up a batch of homemade caramel treatment. I already had a number of the ingredients. Buying the rest totaled what it would have cost for purchase and shipping of the E'tae product and I can always use the food grade products around the house.

Anyway, I did the treatment on July 30 and I have to say my hair didn't feel particularly soft when I was rinsing it out or afterward either. I may have some more curl definition around the hairline and that's where I wanted to soften the feel as I'm growing out of the texturizer. But it didn't make the hairline feel or look as if I'd had a relaxer (as some have claimed about the caramel treatment). I didn't use cornstarch because I liked the consistency without it. Might that have made a difference?

I used the Deva Heaven in Hair deep conditioner today and had a REALLY difficult time combing through the two textures afterward.

What I've been doing is co-washing with Deva's One Condition, using that same product diluted with water as the setting agent for my new growth and then applying the Deva AnGell on the texturized hair. Sometimes this works. Somedays...not so much.

I'm so uncertain what the outcome of this transitioning will be. I'm not interested in growing out my natural hair (btw --I think it's a 4a type), just to straighten it with heat. I want to wear it curly, but I'm having a super difficult time finding hairstyles that play up the 4a hair type without fades or freaked-out cuts.

I'd love any suggestions for hairstyle galleries and more suggestions on product help.
Yeah, I didn't find the caramel treatment to make that much of a difference either. I alway see transitioners making a post like "I love the caramel treatment! I use it, then flatiron my hair and my hair is so nice!" Yeah?!?! Well if I flatiron or blowdry my hair right afterwards it will be nice too!!!

Did you use heat with your caramel treatment? You're supposed to put it in and sit under a dryer or heat cap for 30 min, 45 min if your hair is damaged.

I just deep condition everytime I co-wash my hair. I DO NOT comb my hair unless it's saturated in conditoner. That has helped alot. Also, leaving conditioner in you hair will really help with moisture retention (try not diluting with water. I'm still mostly relaxed and this works for me). Sealing your ends with oil is also a must.
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Jessicurl Weekly Deep treatment is a nice hair softener and hydrator. I have yet to use it as a deep conditioner though. I use a dab as a hairdress.
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Old 08-14-2008, 09:42 PM   #12
 
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Default Why didn't the oil treatment work?

Well, let's see...In the last week I tried an oil treatment. 3 tablespoons of unrefined coconut oil combined with 1 (or was it 2) TB jojoba oil. Put on a shower cap and sat under the dryer for 25 minutes. The result were HORRIBLE. I tried just doing a conditioner wash, which was followed by using One C all over and rinsing it out (I always leave some in during thefinal rinse). Next I did my diluted Deva OneC on the new growth and Angell on the texturized hair (Ana at Devachan recommended using diluted OneC as my setting agent but it doesn't block humidity..that's why I try the two step setting process). Anyway, my hairline (new growth) was so fuzzy...NO curl definition...and the rest of the texturized hair was just limp.

I rewashed today using the Deva No Poo, followed that up with an ACV rinse to which 3 drops of essential lemon oil had been added, then followed the rest of the routine. New growth curl definition is better, but the texturized hair is still pretty limp.

I HATE all this experimenting. I so just want to find something that works!

btw...I did sit under the dryer for the caramel treatment.
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nickfish..What oils do you use on your ends?
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Does anyone know anything about Kinky Curly Transitioners Tonic?

Is it helpful? What about the sodium PCA, MSM and silica? What are those ingredients?
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Oooh I really want to try the tonic!! But its mega expensive as i'm in the UK

Do you have a full list of the ingredients?

I am taking MSM and it is making my nails into awesomly long strong talons, but have noticed no diff with my hair unforch!
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nickfish..What oils do you use on your ends?

I use the blended beauty styling butter on my ends. You can also use a little olive oil (I only seal my ends after my co-wash, so once a week. The rest of the week I will just moisturize my whole head with blended beauty styling butter, or their styling lotion).
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The transitioner's tonic from Kinky Curly is great. My bottle is actually running low, so I will be venturing out to Urbanbella this weekend to get some. The ingredients in it are supposed to soften the new growth and calm the scalp and take damaged scalp cells away. It really does help my itchy scalp. I would highly recommend it. It gets four curls from me. Also, the Giovanni Direct Leave-In is awesome. It defines my curls and softens the hair. I put a little bit on and add some shea butter or coconut oil and my hair is defined....at least my new growth.
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To the original poster...
I bought Miss Jessie's products last year and they did nothing for my hair except leave it feeling very greasy. Transitioning is sometimes painful and trust me I had my share of bad hair days. Do you leave it curly? Can you try focusing on protective styles until you do the big chop? I used to do ponytails, but there are also people that braid their hair, hide it under weaves, rollerset...

Oh and its hard to tell the texture of your hair until you cut off your texturized ends. If you do gel your hair, try keeping your hair moisturized with conditioner (I only take half the conditioner out when I wash). I like Tresemme mousse for a lighter hold, but normally I use EcoStyler and my hair comes out much better.

Good luck on your transition!!!
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The transitioner's tonic from Kinky Curly is great. My bottle is actually running low, so I will be venturing out to Urbanbella this weekend to get some. The ingredients in it are supposed to soften the new growth and calm the scalp and take damaged scalp cells away. It really does help my itchy scalp. I would highly recommend it. It gets four curls from me. Also, the Giovanni Direct Leave-In is awesome. It defines my curls and softens the hair. I put a little bit on and add some shea butter or coconut oil and my hair is defined....at least my new growth.
You're at least the second person to recommend the Giovanni Direct Leave In. Thank you and thanks for letting me know about the transitioners tonic. Despite all my conditioning, co-washing, oil and caramel treatments, my hair looks so yucky today I'm wondering if a cut (not the big chop) but something is in order. I NEED A STYLE!!!
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I third the Giovanni recs!! It is the best detangler ever imho, it just sinks into your hair making it soo soft!!!
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