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NancyV908 01-17-2011 10:12 AM

How many clarifying treatments does it take to get cones out of hair?
 
Hi. Sorry if this is somewhere obvious.

I understand about sulfates & (most) silicones--how I should stop using them.

The supposedly curl-friendly salon I went to gave me some products that I have been using for several weeks. I belatedly read the labels, & both contain dimethicone. And truthfully, even before that, I'm not sure I properly removed any buildup from my hair.

I have two questions:

1) Is removing buildup a one-step process (with the right clarifying product), or do I need to use that product multiple times to be sure my hair is free of the dimethicone?

2) I hate to buy a whole new bottle of shampoo if I only need one application. Do you think the baking soda/conditioner clarifying would work well enough? I also have Burt's Bees Super Shiny Grapefruit & Sugar Beet Shampoo, but I'm not sure it contains the proper form of betaine--it just has plain old "betaine," which doesn' seem to be the form that I've seen listed as good on dimethicones.

Thanks!

gemsofthesea 01-17-2011 12:33 PM

To remove silicones from your hair, clarifying is a "one step process". One good shampoo with a sulfate shampoo is all you need for a fresh start.

The concept of clarifying/cleansing more than once is when things like proteins build up in the hair--which is different for every Curly Girl. Your Burt's Bees shampoo would be good for an occasional, gentle cleansing of your scalp and roots and even the entire length of your hair if you need it.

Unfortuantely, I think the cleansers you have listed will not be enough to get rid of the dimethicone build-up in your hair. You're going to need a sulfate shampoo, like a cheap bottle of Suave Clarifying Shampoo--any sulfate shampoo really but make sure the shampoo itself has no silicones.

I have an emergency bottle of Suave shampoo in my bathroom--for guests and in case I have a hair product disaster (ie use something with silicones)....so don't think of it as a total loss!

curlyjenn10 01-17-2011 01:07 PM

While I agree that it's nice to have a bottle of shampoo for those hair emergencies, I don't think buying a new bottle is necessary. The cocobetaine in the Burt's Bees should be sufficient enough to remove any silicone build-up.

Here's a good article from our own Curl Chemist on surfactants to look for:

What's the Scoop on Silicones? | NaturallyCurly.com

NancyV908 01-18-2011 12:02 PM

Thanks so much!

One more question: My Burt's Bees lists just betaine, not cocamidopropyl betaine or cocobetaine, which are on that helpful list of dimethicone removers.

Do you know, is betaine the same as either of these? Would it do the trick?

curlyjenn10 01-18-2011 07:29 PM

Are these the ingredients on your bottle? (I got this from their website)

water, decyl glucoside, sucrose laurate, betaine, glycerin, coco-glucoside, glyceryl oleate, sodium cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein, coco-betaine, lauryl glucoside, fragrance, citrus grandis (grapefruit) seed oil, citrus aurantium dulcis (orange) peel oil, citrus nobilis (tangerine) oil, citrus medica limonum (lemon) oil, citrus aurantium amara (petitgrain) oil, hydroxypropyltrimonium honey, glucose, citric acid, xanthan gum, sodium chloride, phenoxyethanol, glucose oxidase, lactoperoxidase.

I've never seen betaine by itself before this shampoo, so I'm not sure (I also don't use shampoo, so I'm not anywhere near an expert on the topic). But this says it should have coco betaine in it, which we know will do the trick. Hopefully your ingredients match :)

NancyV908 01-18-2011 08:37 PM

CurlyJenn, thanks! I am so embarrassed, & deserve to be kicked off this site, but yes, it does have cocobetaine. It's later in the ingredients list, as you discovered; I don't know how I missed it.

I am so happy b/c I was thinking I'd have to use something really harsh to get the clean slate I'm after--this should be a lot better. I'm off to use it right now!

Thanks, & sorry for your trouble, but I really appreciate it!

curlyjenn10 01-18-2011 08:43 PM

No worries! It happens to the best of us. I had a similar thing happen when I first went CG; now I have two and a half years of ingredient reading experience. It'll be second-nature before you know it :)

Good luck!

NancyV908 01-19-2011 01:35 PM

Well, I still feel embarrassed but thanks again for being so nice.

I was so glad I found your response last night b/c I just wanted to wash the dimethicone out of my hair AT THAT MOMENT & really I was about to reach for something bad. Anyway, I used the Burt's Bees, then followed with an overnight deep condition, which I think helps. My hair has a long way to go--it is so dry!--& I obviously have a lot to figure out but I feel as though I'm starting (re-starting, actually) the right way.

Thanks again to everyone!

anonymous_125408 10-01-2012 11:54 AM

what about this (science-y question)
 
Would these ingredients work for clarifying?

Water (Aqua), Decyl Glucoside, Sorbitol, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Fragrance (Parfum), Citric Acid, Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol.

I think the main surfactant is the Decyl Glucoside which I believe is sugar based.


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