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Midisurf 09-09-2011 04:48 PM

Rubbing in co-wash bad for hair?
 
Just wondering if rubbing my head to co-wash is damaging hair? It's weakest when wet and then they say scrub it a lot but surely this will damage and cause split ends? With shampoo you don't have to rub so much.

kaylie 09-10-2011 12:26 PM

How would you get split ends from scrubbing the scalp?

Kilajo 09-10-2011 01:03 PM

How hard are you rubbing? I've cowashed for 20 years and never damaged my hair.

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Devushka 09-10-2011 06:44 PM

Fortunately, someone just using the pads of their fingers (not their fingernails) to firmly massage their scalp (not specifically rub their hair) won't hurt their hair. Instead, it'll remove oil, dirt, and dead skin from their scalp; plus it'll stimulate blood flow to the scalp. All of that is beneficial to the hair. :)

It's using products with stuff like sulfates in them that risks doing more damage to the hair because of how drying it is.

Midisurf 09-15-2011 06:35 AM

You can't rub your scalp without rubbing the bottom of all your hairs against it. Spesh new hairs growing.

KsLiZCuRlZ 09-15-2011 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midisurf (Post 1766317)
You can't rub your scalp without rubbing the bottom of all your hairs against it. Spesh new hairs growing.

When I'm rubbibg my scalp I don't touch my ends at all. I go straight to the scalp with my fingers


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Midisurf 09-15-2011 09:46 AM

I'm talking about the root end of your hairs.

Devushka 09-15-2011 11:02 PM

Yes, some rubbing of your hair is unavoidable, and your hair is fragile when wet, but from what I understand, it's also a bit more elastic when wet. When co-washing your hair, you're focusing on massaging the scalp, and any pulling or stretching of the hair that might happen when co-washing is apparently well within the hair's tolerance. Otherwise, all of us who regularly co-wash would have damaged hair and split ends, but that's not at all the case. Lots of people who've adopted co-washing (along with other proper haircare routines) have healthier hair than before when they'd regularly shampoo their hair.

aislin 09-17-2011 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midisurf (Post 1766317)
You can't rub your scalp without rubbing the bottom of all your hairs against it. Spesh new hairs growing.


"Spesh"? LOL.

I see your point. However, the chemical you are using is not comparable with co-washing vs. shampooing. You may be scrubbing less with shampoo, and more with co-washing, but the conditioner you're using to scrub with is vastly different than the shampoo you're using. It's really not comparable - even taking into consideration the amount of scrubbing one is doing. There are always exceptions, like someone who's REALLY going to town on scrubbing.

I like a good scrub - whether shampooing, co-washing, or low-pooing. I probably do it more than most, and I've never had damage co-washing long term due to split ends. Maybe it could be contributing in some shape or form to split ends that I will have down the road, but I've been doing this long enough now to notice, and it's never been the co-washing that's been damaging.

Consider also that with co-washing, your hair is likely to be more moisturized and healthy, despite your vigorous scrubbing, and long term, THAT is what will be preventing your hair ends from splitting up the shaft vs the drying factor you will get with any amount of scrubbing from the shampoo.

Midisurf 09-19-2011 05:04 PM

I have to admit I haven't noticed any bad effects yet. How fast/hard do you scrub?

mamaherrera 09-14-2012 12:11 PM

No question is a dumb question
 
So happy to find this thread, I had the same thought. All that rubbing on the roots of hairs, I've always wondered if you could be pulling hairs out by the roots, or breaking them close to the roots. Also, I know for a fact taht my scalp is irritated right now by over-scrubbing and massaging. so I really could use some advice/tips on how to scrub/rub/massage, in which direction, how long, how hard, how to know you've gotten every area. I need help!! Do you all continue rubbing when rinsing, and in which area, do you actually move the fingers around on the scalp and move all those roots in circles? I feel your pain, I"m suffering and I want to continue CG, but need help as I'm over-doing it trying to clean!

IAgal 09-14-2012 07:18 PM

im pretty new to all this, but from what i've read on here you nee to scrub for 2-3 minutes...i don't know about the rest of you,but i am going to have to start lifting weights or something because my arms and hands are dead tired after scrubbing on top of my head for that long! LOL!
how hard to scrub? well, lets say you have an itch on your arm, when i scratch an itch,thats about as firmly as i
rub my scalp except when i scratch i use fingernails and when i cowash i use the pads of my fingers but its about the same pressure. i count to about 150 in my head as a massage all around and then stand under the showerhead and massage really well as i rinse it out.i rub each area for a little bit til i feel no residue. sometimes i feel like i roughing up my hair that is near the scalp but i've never seen any problems after i've stepped out of the shower...but then,my hair is thick thick thick!

crwritt 09-14-2012 07:51 PM

Three minutes seems altogether excessive. My whole routine, washing, detangling, scrunching in leave in and gel must take less than three minutes.

SweetSquatchii 09-14-2012 09:50 PM

I can tell that when I first started CG, I scrubbed really hard for the first few weeks for sure. While I was transitioning, my hair couldn't get clean enough and I noticed, the harder I scrubbed, the greasier and frizzier it seemed to get. But then when I was on the bring of giving up, I stopped scrubbing so hard. I blame waking up later than normal and not having enough time to spend on getting it clean.

When I scrub now, I might scrub a little longer than I would when I used to use shampoo, but not any harder. Just long enough to break up any product or extra gel I might have gotten up by my roots. Then, as I rinse I run the rest through to my ends and 'barely finger comb through it' until my hair is rinsed out. When I say barely, I mean I'm not really finger combing, at all but just slipping my fingers in the mess of hair to make sure it's rinsed clean.

That's not Putting any more pressure on my hair than with shampoo, but I'm also moisturizing it and keeping it free of harsh sulfates.

HTH!

IAgal 09-15-2012 10:00 AM

well i would love to not have to scrub it for that long!!
i was scared NOT to though because since conditioners(i'm using suave naturals)don't have very strong cleansers from everything i've read on here you have to massage your scalp for longer than if you'd use a sulfate
shampoo. i think it would be great not to...maybe i will just try for half that time and see where it gets me!
i don't ever scrub hard,more of a massage but the 3 minutes was killing me,my arms and hands get tired...i'm a wimp i guess.
Corrina on here said it made a big difference for her when she'd scrub for 2-3 minutes,she was then able to use conditioners to wash her hair so i've been following
that.

mamaherrera 10-11-2012 05:52 PM

videos anyone?
 
technique videos
I hear so many people in all these threads say that whether it's itchies or product buildup or dandruff, from product being left in, many people struggle with this. And I struggle often times more from scrubbing too hard, or massing hair in directions that it doesn't like to go and then I have sore scalp. Roughing up the hair I think is not good either. I would love some experienced people to do some videos on HOW to scrub/massage the scalp and to see if they continue scrubbing while rinsing the conditioner out. Because for me, scalp health is more important and if we're leaving conditioner on, that's not good. I rinsed for three minutes and still feel like I left stuff in there. the other thing, do you all massage on top of your hair that's no your head or do you move to one side in order to get "inside the hair" and direction on the scalp? I Find my hair when wet is so plastered to my head, that I feel like I"m breaking hairs trying to get inside to my scalp and especially if I try and move around in there. Not a good situation because my hair is medium thickness (not density, the texture) and it's not very pliable when wet. I would love more info on this.

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When I do a wash, at first I put my cowash all around my scalp, as though it was lotion I was rubbing on skin. However, I don't "rub it in" like a lotion. I use my fingertips only to massage it around my scalp. The only hair that's affected is the hair right at the roots where it's growing out of the skin. I never "pile" my hair on my head, so only about 1/2 inch is touched by the "massage". If I rub too hard my hair starts curling around itself and knotting up. I have to be careful not to get my fingers caught in any knots, otherwise I can accidentally rip my hair, so I can't be too vigorous in "scrubbing".

I don't actually "scrub", as if I were cleaning a sink or something. Sure, you want to stimulate your scalp, but you don't want to injure your skin or damage your hair follicles. After I massage the cowash around my scalp, I rake it through the rest of my hair, or comb it through with my big old Ouidad comb, and then I leave it in for a few minutes.

Most of the time I do not rub for 3 minutes...it's usually about 1.5 - 2 minutes. If my scalp is in an "itchy" state, I may rub up to 3 minutes when I use a cowash that contains menthol, because I love the soothing feeling. I wash my hair in a bathtub, so I immerse it to rinse it. I find that products, including hair colorings, come out of my hair faster and more thoroughly when immersed in water, than when running water through it. It feels much more gentle as well.

I always leave conditioner in my hair. I either use a separate "leave-in conditioner" or, most of the time, after rinsing, I add a couple globs of my cowash as a leave-in conditioner.

If I'd have to scrub so hard it felt like I was hurting my hair, or damaging hair follices, I'd use a cleanser with Cocamidopropyl Betaine, or a low-poo, rather than scrub like that! I use a clarifying shampoo (sulfate free) once a month, or once every two months, depending on how my hair feels. I've found that cowashes with cetyl alcohol, aloe, and menthol seem to cleanse my scalp and hair the best, (I'm not sure if the menthol has any cleansing properties but it feels so good!), but everybody's hair is different. I think it's very common that the longer you cowash, the less oily your scalp gets, so you shouldn't have to scrub very hard for long.

I have really dry hair, also, that's very prone to breakage, so I may not be giving you good advice for your own scalp.


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