Rubbing in co-wash bad for hair?

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By Devushka

Just wondering if rubbing my head to co-wash is damaging hair? It's weakest when wet and then they say scrub it a lot but surely this will damage and cause split ends? With shampoo you don't have to rub so much.
- Nate


Co-wash - Boots / Tresemme Naturals
Condition - Bodyshop Rainforest / Tresemme Naturals
Style - Holland and Barrett Aloe Vera gel / Garnier Fructis Camouflage gel
How would you get split ends from scrubbing the scalp?
How hard are you rubbing? I've cowashed for 20 years and never damaged my hair.

Sent from my PC36100 using CurlTalk App
Fortunately, someone just using the pads of their fingers (not their fingernails) to firmly massage their scalp (not specifically rub their hair) won't hurt their hair. Instead, it'll remove oil, dirt, and dead skin from their scalp; plus it'll stimulate blood flow to the scalp. All of that is beneficial to the hair.

It's using products with stuff like sulfates in them that risks doing more damage to the hair because of how drying it is.
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
You can't rub your scalp without rubbing the bottom of all your hairs against it. Spesh new hairs growing.
- Nate


Co-wash - Boots / Tresemme Naturals
Condition - Bodyshop Rainforest / Tresemme Naturals
Style - Holland and Barrett Aloe Vera gel / Garnier Fructis Camouflage gel
You can't rub your scalp without rubbing the bottom of all your hairs against it. Spesh new hairs growing.
Originally Posted by Midisurf
When I'm rubbibg my scalp I don't touch my ends at all. I go straight to the scalp with my fingers


Sent from my Ally using CurlTalk App
CG..yep that's me!

I'm talking about the root end of your hairs.
- Nate


Co-wash - Boots / Tresemme Naturals
Condition - Bodyshop Rainforest / Tresemme Naturals
Style - Holland and Barrett Aloe Vera gel / Garnier Fructis Camouflage gel
Yes, some rubbing of your hair is unavoidable, and your hair is fragile when wet, but from what I understand, it's also a bit more elastic when wet. When co-washing your hair, you're focusing on massaging the scalp, and any pulling or stretching of the hair that might happen when co-washing is apparently well within the hair's tolerance. Otherwise, all of us who regularly co-wash would have damaged hair and split ends, but that's not at all the case. Lots of people who've adopted co-washing (along with other proper haircare routines) have healthier hair than before when they'd regularly shampoo their hair.
poemaXX likes this.
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
You can't rub your scalp without rubbing the bottom of all your hairs against it. Spesh new hairs growing.
Originally Posted by Midisurf

"Spesh"? LOL.

I see your point. However, the chemical you are using is not comparable with co-washing vs. shampooing. You may be scrubbing less with shampoo, and more with co-washing, but the conditioner you're using to scrub with is vastly different than the shampoo you're using. It's really not comparable - even taking into consideration the amount of scrubbing one is doing. There are always exceptions, like someone who's REALLY going to town on scrubbing.

I like a good scrub - whether shampooing, co-washing, or low-pooing. I probably do it more than most, and I've never had damage co-washing long term due to split ends. Maybe it could be contributing in some shape or form to split ends that I will have down the road, but I've been doing this long enough now to notice, and it's never been the co-washing that's been damaging.

Consider also that with co-washing, your hair is likely to be more moisturized and healthy, despite your vigorous scrubbing, and long term, THAT is what will be preventing your hair ends from splitting up the shaft vs the drying factor you will get with any amount of scrubbing from the shampoo.
Wurly, fine, thin, moderately to heavily porous. Mod CG.

I have to admit I haven't noticed any bad effects yet. How fast/hard do you scrub?
- Nate


Co-wash - Boots / Tresemme Naturals
Condition - Bodyshop Rainforest / Tresemme Naturals
Style - Holland and Barrett Aloe Vera gel / Garnier Fructis Camouflage gel
So happy to find this thread, I had the same thought. All that rubbing on the roots of hairs, I've always wondered if you could be pulling hairs out by the roots, or breaking them close to the roots. Also, I know for a fact taht my scalp is irritated right now by over-scrubbing and massaging. so I really could use some advice/tips on how to scrub/rub/massage, in which direction, how long, how hard, how to know you've gotten every area. I need help!! Do you all continue rubbing when rinsing, and in which area, do you actually move the fingers around on the scalp and move all those roots in circles? I feel your pain, I"m suffering and I want to continue CG, but need help as I'm over-doing it trying to clean!
2c
Medium texture
Normal porosity
Normal elasticity
can get weighed down with lots of oils
Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
Gel: Kiss my face gel
DT:Jessicurl
Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
im pretty new to all this, but from what i've read on here you nee to scrub for 2-3 minutes...i don't know about the rest of you,but i am going to have to start lifting weights or something because my arms and hands are dead tired after scrubbing on top of my head for that long! LOL!
how hard to scrub? well, lets say you have an itch on your arm, when i scratch an itch,thats about as firmly as i
rub my scalp except when i scratch i use fingernails and when i cowash i use the pads of my fingers but its about the same pressure. i count to about 150 in my head as a massage all around and then stand under the showerhead and massage really well as i rinse it out.i rub each area for a little bit til i feel no residue. sometimes i feel like i roughing up my hair that is near the scalp but i've never seen any problems after i've stepped out of the shower...but then,my hair is thick thick thick!
Three minutes seems altogether excessive. My whole routine, washing, detangling, scrunching in leave in and gel must take less than three minutes.
I can tell that when I first started CG, I scrubbed really hard for the first few weeks for sure. While I was transitioning, my hair couldn't get clean enough and I noticed, the harder I scrubbed, the greasier and frizzier it seemed to get. But then when I was on the bring of giving up, I stopped scrubbing so hard. I blame waking up later than normal and not having enough time to spend on getting it clean.

When I scrub now, I might scrub a little longer than I would when I used to use shampoo, but not any harder. Just long enough to break up any product or extra gel I might have gotten up by my roots. Then, as I rinse I run the rest through to my ends and 'barely finger comb through it' until my hair is rinsed out. When I say barely, I mean I'm not really finger combing, at all but just slipping my fingers in the mess of hair to make sure it's rinsed clean.

That's not Putting any more pressure on my hair than with shampoo, but I'm also moisturizing it and keeping it free of harsh sulfates.

HTH!
2C, Medium/Fine, Low Porosity, High Density - CG since 5.19.12
Cowash: Burt's Bee's More Moisture Boabab
[B]Conditioner/LI: Nature's Gate Tea Tree Conditioner - I don't RO
Styling Products: KCCC, KY, Deva Arc AnGel, HESMU
well i would love to not have to scrub it for that long!!
i was scared NOT to though because since conditioners(i'm using suave naturals)don't have very strong cleansers from everything i've read on here you have to massage your scalp for longer than if you'd use a sulfate
shampoo. i think it would be great not to...maybe i will just try for half that time and see where it gets me!
i don't ever scrub hard,more of a massage but the 3 minutes was killing me,my arms and hands get tired...i'm a wimp i guess.
Corrina on here said it made a big difference for her when she'd scrub for 2-3 minutes,she was then able to use conditioners to wash her hair so i've been following
that.
technique videos
I hear so many people in all these threads say that whether it's itchies or product buildup or dandruff, from product being left in, many people struggle with this. And I struggle often times more from scrubbing too hard, or massing hair in directions that it doesn't like to go and then I have sore scalp. Roughing up the hair I think is not good either. I would love some experienced people to do some videos on HOW to scrub/massage the scalp and to see if they continue scrubbing while rinsing the conditioner out. Because for me, scalp health is more important and if we're leaving conditioner on, that's not good. I rinsed for three minutes and still feel like I left stuff in there. the other thing, do you all massage on top of your hair that's no your head or do you move to one side in order to get "inside the hair" and direction on the scalp? I Find my hair when wet is so plastered to my head, that I feel like I"m breaking hairs trying to get inside to my scalp and especially if I try and move around in there. Not a good situation because my hair is medium thickness (not density, the texture) and it's not very pliable when wet. I would love more info on this.
2c
Medium texture
Normal porosity
Normal elasticity
can get weighed down with lots of oils
Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
Gel: Kiss my face gel
DT:Jessicurl
Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
When I began the CG program, "Jessicurl's" instructions and videos got me off to the perfect start.

Instructions: Rich & Radiant Collection | Home - jessicurl | Curly Hair Products

Jessicurl How-To - Kaylyn - YouTube

Plunking - YouTube

Videos - How to Use Our Products | Home - jessicurl | Curly Hair Products

My Hair Routine | Home - jessicurl | Curly Hair Products

When I do a wash, at first I put my cowash all around my scalp, as though it was lotion I was rubbing on skin. However, I don't "rub it in" like a lotion. I use my fingertips only to massage it around my scalp. The only hair that's affected is the hair right at the roots where it's growing out of the skin. I never "pile" my hair on my head, so only about 1/2 inch is touched by the "massage". If I rub too hard my hair starts curling around itself and knotting up. I have to be careful not to get my fingers caught in any knots, otherwise I can accidentally rip my hair, so I can't be too vigorous in "scrubbing".

I don't actually "scrub", as if I were cleaning a sink or something. Sure, you want to stimulate your scalp, but you don't want to injure your skin or damage your hair follicles. After I massage the cowash around my scalp, I rake it through the rest of my hair, or comb it through with my big old Ouidad comb, and then I leave it in for a few minutes.

Most of the time I do not rub for 3 minutes...it's usually about 1.5 - 2 minutes. If my scalp is in an "itchy" state, I may rub up to 3 minutes when I use a cowash that contains menthol, because I love the soothing feeling. I wash my hair in a bathtub, so I immerse it to rinse it. I find that products, including hair colorings, come out of my hair faster and more thoroughly when immersed in water, than when running water through it. It feels much more gentle as well.

I always leave conditioner in my hair. I either use a separate "leave-in conditioner" or, most of the time, after rinsing, I add a couple globs of my cowash as a leave-in conditioner.

If I'd have to scrub so hard it felt like I was hurting my hair, or damaging hair follices, I'd use a cleanser with Cocamidopropyl Betaine, or a low-poo, rather than scrub like that! I use a clarifying shampoo (sulfate free) once a month, or once every two months, depending on how my hair feels. I've found that cowashes with cetyl alcohol, aloe, and menthol seem to cleanse my scalp and hair the best, (I'm not sure if the menthol has any cleansing properties but it feels so good!), but everybody's hair is different. I think it's very common that the longer you cowash, the less oily your scalp gets, so you shouldn't have to scrub very hard for long.

I have really dry hair, also, that's very prone to breakage, so I may not be giving you good advice for your own scalp.
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com