I think im over the curly girl method!

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I have been officially curly girl since Jan 2009 and my hair is not impressing me! Its not growing, the ends keeps spliting and its dry! Im not sure this is the right method for me! Anyone else feel this way?
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Dont sweat it girl, in the end youve got to do what you think works best for your hair! I did CG for about 4 months, and although the method taught me a lot about how to care for your hair, in the end i was pretty unimpressed by the frizz control and decided to go back to cones ^.^

Its working out for me much better, so do whatever makes you and your hair happy
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2B/2C hair!

Shampoo: GTTT, SheaMoisture
Condish Tresemme naturals, GFTN
DT: Lustrasilk + honey
LI: KCKT, GVP CB
Styling products: Ouidad CC, TIGI Catwalk, KCCC, PaulMitchell Sculpting Foam
Oils: Coconut
In the end, you have to do what you feel is best for your hair and what makes you feel good/happy/beautiful. Its all about you.

I went CG in 2007 for about 3-4 months and wasn't happy. Then I went modified CG - gentle cleansers, but still had sulfates. Silicones but water-soluble. My hair was happier. I just put more thought into what I used. I stayed that way for a few years, and went more and more CG as the years went by, and my hair got healthier and healthier.
There are times I miss how my hair used to look - it was fuller, longer, and had more body. But it had alot less definition to the curl, it was drier, and frizzed alot more. So overall the tradeoff was better for me, I get many more complements now than I used to. In general I miss the length though, my hair doesn't grow like it used to (and it never grew fast, like most curlies, I get volume but not length). It was thicker then than now, but I think that's an age thing; I was 30s then, I'm 40 now. LOL

Anyway, I think you have to follow a method that works best for you. I personally do not cowash all the time, I low-poo at least twice a week. My low poo has a sulfate in it, but I think its a mild one, it feels mild to me. My hair is very healthy. I clarify with ACV. I DT every week or so. I use CG curl creams and gels. I only use one cone, and its a PEG cone, in the CJ CIAB. Am I always 100% happy with my hair? No. But I'd say I'm happy with it 80% of the time, and that's pretty good. I love my curls, and I didn't always. That's a win, in my book. If you can get to where you love yours, it doesn't matter if you're CG or not. That's my humble opinion. Good luck!
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
Same Started CG in July this year (even tried water only) and I had enough. My hair doesn't look as awesome as when I first started. Just did a sulfate wash and silicone condition today and my hair looks back to good ole normal!

It wasn't a waste of time though I have learned lots of stuff like not use so much shampoo and that just because it feels oily in the shower doesn't mean it will be greasy once it's dried.

Maybe my hair will start looking crap again after using shampoos :/
- Nate


Co-wash - Boots / Tresemme Naturals
Condition - Bodyshop Rainforest / Tresemme Naturals
Style - Holland and Barrett Aloe Vera gel / Garnier Fructis Camouflage gel
I have been officially curly girl since Jan 2009 and my hair is not impressing me! Its not growing, the ends keeps spliting and its dry! Im not sure this is the right method for me! Anyone else feel this way?
Originally Posted by only1frenchy
Being CG is not the only way to have healthy and isn't practical for everyone. It doesn't mean you should give up and straighten your hair! Try other methods. Read more books and watch some Youtube videos until you find what works for you after a year of going curly (I don't think I'll ever go "CG") i'm still experimenting with different methods.
Hair Type: 3b/3c (I think! lol)

Quit using heat 9 months ago
I have been officially curly girl since Jan 2009 and my hair is not impressing me! Its not growing, the ends keeps spliting and its dry! Im not sure this is the right method for me! Anyone else feel this way?
Originally Posted by only1frenchy
I tried cg and then mod cg on and off for 4 years. The first time was for 2 years straight. I tried every product and routine that others were finding success with! My hair just didn't like it. I had more frizz, my hair was very dry and was breaking a lot. I have gone back to just using what works for me and not stressing about ingredients. I use a sulfate poo that feels very gentle. I can comb my hair right after using it before even applying conditioner and have no tangles at all. I am also getting length back a lot easier.
Do whatever works for you - no single method is right for everyone. I feel very relieved to not worry about all the cg stuff anymore.
Yeah same here CG was fun whilst it lasted but shampoo is fine for me the only problem was using too much. CG made me realize just because your hair feels oily when you shampoo it doesn't mean it will be greasy, I use to soap it up until it was squeaky.
- Nate


Co-wash - Boots / Tresemme Naturals
Condition - Bodyshop Rainforest / Tresemme Naturals
Style - Holland and Barrett Aloe Vera gel / Garnier Fructis Camouflage gel
I started CG back in March, but now in May I'm throwing in the towel. I make only sixty bucks a week and I just can't afford all the trial and error, plus it seems like CG approved products are hard to find and too expensive when I find them. My hair also hasn't been as soft, and I've always associated my hair being soft with it being moisturized. It's just been dry.

I wanted to go until the end of summer, but I just can't. My hair is too dry and my wallet just can't handle it. I'm going back to my regular products tomorrow. Besides, even before I was using CG products, I was still following the technique.

There are CG products I like--the Shea Moisture shampoo is really nice on my hair so far, so I'm going to keep using it once a week and clarify with a sulfate shampoo once a month when I DC. Otherwise I'm going back to my other products, and wait until I have more money before I go CG again.
3C, almost shoulder length (when stretched). Low Porosity, Protein Sensitive.
Low Poo: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Moisture Retention Shampoo
Shampoo: Proclaim Olive Glossing Shampoo
RO: Eden Bodyworks Coconut Shea Cleansing Co-Wash
LI: Proclaim Olive Glossing Condish
Oils: JBCO, EVOO, Grapeseed Oil
Styling: Fantasia IC Hair Polisher
DC: Sally's GVP Conditioning Balm



I started CG back in March, but now in May I'm throwing in the towel. I make only sixty bucks a week and I just can't afford all the trial and error, plus it seems like CG approved products are hard to find and too expensive when I find them. My hair also hasn't been as soft, and I've always associated my hair being soft with it being moisturized. It's just been dry.

I wanted to go until the end of summer, but I just can't. My hair is too dry and my wallet just can't handle it. I'm going back to my regular products tomorrow. Besides, even before I was using CG products, I was still following the technique.

There are CG products I like--the Shea Moisture shampoo is really nice on my hair so far, so I'm going to keep using it once a week and clarify with a sulfate shampoo once a month when I DC. Otherwise I'm going back to my other products, and wait until I have more money before I go CG again.
Originally Posted by RobotQT1
You don't have to have a lot of money for it. If its working for you, you can get CG friendly products and spend less than ten dollars. Suave Natural, Tresemme Naturals, LA Looks gels... Those things work for me and cost hardly anything!
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You don't have to have a lot of money for it. If its working for you, you can get CG friendly products and spend less than ten dollars. Suave Natural, Tresemme Naturals, LA Looks gels... Those things work for me and cost hardly anything!
Originally Posted by OhSunshinex3
This: I did the first two years with primarily cheap high street products like Inecto coconut conditioner, no rinse out, Triple Nutrition as a leave in, Boots purple gel, coconut oil. Personally I'd gotten to the stage when I'd accepted the standard commercial haircare products and routine were killing my hair and I was willing to give change a fair crack of the whip: commercial products have had many many of my money and years of my time.

Alternatively you can doctor cheap products with cheap ingredients like refined coconut oil, olive pomace oil, white vinegar, golden syrup, sugar, coconut milk in powder form, glycerin. Here in the UK these are cheaper than virgin oils, apple cider vinegar, honey or canned coconut milk but the same basic chemistry. Anything that doesn't work as an ingredient, you eat!

Seems to me a lot of people are shocked by the true condition of their hair when they quit silicones and other ingredients that give faux slip, shine and condition. Mine was pretty horrible the first few months, but two years on it was definitely worth it, I've finally cut off the worst of the straggly broken hair, only a few inches of the worst damage remaining and I can see the difference between the 'old' and 'new' hair if I don't use any products or shampoo my head, old hair is more stringy and poufy.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'm a modified cg because I know my hair won't react well to only 'washing' (in my opinion is not cleaning) with conditioner. While my hair maybe moisturized, it won't be clean. My shampoo has a gentle cleanser & my hair is soft. But my hair is cheap. It likes a water spritz, 3-in 1 shampoo/conditioner/de-tangle, coconut oil for my scalp/sealer, & twist & lock gel. All of these things are cheap. My hair & I love it.
I'm a modified cg because I know my hair won't react well to only 'washing' (in my opinion is not cleaning) with conditioner. While my hair maybe moisturized, it won't be clean. My shampoo has a gentle cleanser & my hair is soft. But my hair is cheap. It likes a water spritz, 3-in 1 shampoo/conditioner/de-tangle, coconut oil for my scalp/sealer, & twist & lock gel. All of these things are cheap. My hair & I love it.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
I don't know your hair so I can't say what it will do. But you have the wrong idea about conditioner-only washing, it does not have to be about moisturising your hair, it's about not lifting the cuticle and not stripping the bound structural lipids. You also have the wrong idea about the cost perhaps based on people discussing pricey branded cleansing conditioners on this forum.

I use Inecto which I purchase from a discounter for less than $2.50: it foams, cleanses even a heavy coconut oiling to the point my hair is literally 'squeaky' when rinsed. Frankly it does a better job than shampoo of getting the oil out! My hair is not moisturised until I do a 'proper' condition and I never get any build up. There are no humectants or oils in the product to speak of it's really basic mostly cationic surfactants (the cleansers) and water.

Many UK curlies use the cheapest of the cheap grocery store conditioners, well under $5 for a large bottle and again not moisturising just not stripping. AFAIK neither Suave or V05 are expensive and at least some conditioners within those ranges are lightweight, not packed with 'moisturising' ingredients.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Wow. And it does a 2 fold job: cleans & condition? Does it have a gentle cleanser in it? I'm anxious to try the Shea moisture line because I do believe the have a cleansing co wash.
You are right & also I've heard most beauticians day that conditioners weren't designed to cleanse the hair. Only moisturize.
Wow. And it does a 2 fold job: cleans & condition? Does it have a gentle cleanser in it? I'm anxious to try the Shea moisture line because I do believe the have a cleansing co wash.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
Depends on your definition of moisturising/ conditioning. Cationic surfactants are extremely versatile ingredients, but ultimately the are a type of surfactant, just as sulphates are anionic surfactants. Cationics can act as super gentle cleansers, they are emulsifiers, they can lightly deposit on the hair to fill in any damaged parts, they can provide a feeling of 'slip' by reducing friction when brushing or combing or detangling, act as weak humectants. The precise properties depends on the exact surfactant - for actual conditioning I like behentrimonium methosulphate, it give me amazing 'slip'.

And obviously the pH of the product is relevant, just being acidic (hair likes pH 4.5) can help 'seal' the cuticle which is why dilute vinegar can make your hair feel silky and conditioned. Traditional soaps tend to be alkaline, shampoos tend to be neutral and conditioners tend to be acidic but each product is different. Bear in mind the pH scale is logarithmic, the difference between 4.5 and 5.5 is a factor of ten, between 4.5 and 6.5 is a factor of one hundred!

Ingredients for Inecto are "water, cetearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, coconut oil, fragrance, magnesium nitrate, methylchloro-isothiazolinone, magnesium chloride, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid."

Emboldened are the cationic surfactants, they are the things that lightly foam and that cleanse. There is nothing in there that will build up or hardcore 'moisturise' AFAIK, no polyquats or heavy fatty alcohols or mineral oil or silicones. The amount of coconut oil seems to me very small, it's not a rich/ heavy/ greasy product whatsoever. It gives me slip for detangling and keeps the cuticle closed enough to hold most of my colour in and my hair does not pouf as it does with ALL shampoos I have tried. But is not hydrating enough for my porous, damaged hair as an actual conditioner. That is fine for my tastes - I want clean hair especially roots when I am done washing without the feeling of being 'stripped'.

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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 05-08-2013 at 06:09 AM.
You are right & also I've heard most beauticians day that conditioners weren't designed to cleanse the hair. Only moisturize.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
If I only used products on my body and in my home that were specifically designed for the purpose, and only ate food that specifically evolved for me to eat it, I'd be in serious trouble.

Hen's eggs are for baby chickens, honey is for a bee colony, baking soda is for raising baked goods, vinegar is for preserving food, oils are for nourishing plant seedlings. All of these things have alternate uses, in fact all of them people on NC.com use on their hair.

There are many similarities between the formulas used for shampoo, shower gel and dishwashing liquid, between the formulas for hair conditioner, a lightweight body lotion/ milk, a face cleansing lotion, plenty of girls use conditioner to shave their legs or as fabric conditioner, plenty of people with skin conditions like eczema use a cream not a foaming product to cleanse their body.

Really someone who has studied beauty therapy should know about ingredients and formulation but sadly the science they are taught is quite low level, at least here in the UK. It's much like the average hairdresser knows nothing about caring for curls unless she has curly hair herself. I am 40+ with 2a hair at the back and 2c at the front, not one single hairdresser over several decades ever noticed that I have anything more than a few little kinks and waves! My skin is the same: I researched skin structure and the ingredients in my own products, I successfully treated my atopic eczema/ contact dermatitis, not a doctor or beautician.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Well said firefox. First of all - I hope this doesn't come off as inflammatory, because I don't mean it that way. The fact is - 95% of ALL brands of shampoo, dish soap, and dishwasher liquid share the same main ingredients. Price does not make a difference, in most cases of "high end" products, the price is just paying for a label. I work with a girl who swears by salon brands because her stylist has brainwashed her into thinking those are better. I broke down the ingredient list of her $30 shampoo and compared it to a $5 drugstore one and they were all the same ingredients... and she was completely shocked. I'd bet there's not a single $30 product on the salon market that I couldn't find a cheaper alternative for if I tried hard enough. The Kinky Curly Knot Today is the most expensive per ounce product I use, and I could probably make it myself but I'm too lazy.

I'm a huge proponet of reading the ingredients of hair and skin products, and considering alternative products or approaches that may work better or be healthier. Sulfates are cheap surfactants, and they are an easy way for a hair company to make a ton of money by manufacturing a cheap product and marking it way up to people who are willing to pay for it. They work well for straight hair, and can be hell on curly hair.

Product reviews - I've seen people (on Amazon or somewhere) trash a product without knowing why it didn't work for them or explaning why it didn't - a recent one I found was for Ouidad Climate Control gel, one reviewer said it made her hair dry and strawlike and she tossed it immediately. OCC has protein in it. I bet her hair is coarse or medium and it was a reaction to the protein. But someone not knowing that would rightfully assume that the product sucks, not know why it works for others, and anyone reading the review might be swayed not to try it even if it would work for them. My hair is fine, and I love this product.... because my hair loves protein.

I hear people say they gave up after trying every product or routine that works for what seems like everyone else, and I think there's a misconception there - trying random things because they worked for others, without understanding the ingredients or their properties, makes it hard to understand why that product or routine didn't work for them. I don't think there's even ONE product or technique on this board that works for truly everyone.

There are products on the market I don't even bother to try no matter how many people here find success with them, because I know why my hair does what it does. I did the research. I've kind of guano-d this thread here, but I think it's marketing that convinces the public that certain products are designed to do certain things and can't be repurposed, with the proper knowledge and skills to do so.

Going CG requires thinking outside the box - it's not an easy process to go through, and transformation isn't overnight. I went CG and for various reasons chose to quit, it really does not work for my hair or scalp, but I gave it almost 2 full years of honest trying and I still use tons of the information I learned along the way and still avoid harsh sulfates and heavy silicones. It isn't for everyone and in the end you have to do what makes you happy (and don't feel guilty for it!), but it takes patience and the time and motivation to figure out your hair and truly understand what's happening to it. The thing to ask yourself is "do I want to make this work." That is #1, it's like a marriage lol, if you don't really WANT to do it, then don't. No one will judge you. If you do, then go from there and ask questions. After 2 years into this... are your ends dry? Why? What have you tried to fix that problem? Can you list your routine and products and maybe someone here could point you in a better direction? I'd hate for people to give up on it without ever grasping the point of it to begin with or asking for help, because when it does work, the results can be stunning.
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel


Last edited by lcl0706; 05-09-2013 at 01:18 PM.

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