Ready to start no poo any tips?

Okay so after a week or so of research I've come to the conclusion that I need to give no poo another try. I picked up Tresemme naturals radiant volume as a cowash and L.A. Looks nutra curl as a styling product.

I know I need to go ahead tomorrow and do a regular sulfate shampoo to get out any cones. Then I should use my new cowash and gel after? Is there any step I am missing?

Sav
No, I don't think you're missing any steps. I like Sauve Professionals with shea butter and sweet almond oil for my cowashes. Give that a try if you don't like the Tressame.

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Most follow a cowash with a heavier (thicker), more moisturizing rinse out conditioner step. If you don't have one yet, you could use the Tresemme till you find something better. Maybe just leave it on to soak in while you do your other shower stuff. Rinse it out last thing before you step out.

Many also use a leave in conditioner before adding their stylers (gel, mousse, etc). You can use a dedicated leave in conditioner, a tiny bit of your rinse out conditioner, or mix up some of your rinse out conditioner and some water in a spray bottle, to name a few options.

If you add in those 2 steps, your first day CG routine would look like: Sulfate shampoo, rinse, Cowash, rinse, Rinse out conditioner, rinse, Leave in conditioner, Gel. Obviously you would skip the sulfate shampoo after that.

Btw, the Suave Professionals Almond and Shea conditioner Mamacitas World mentioned is a good option if you're non-CG or mod CG, but the Dimethicone and Amodimethicone in it makes it a no go if you're full CG. Those silicones will not be removed with a simple cowash. They require a low poo with Cocamidopropyl Betaine to remove them (or a full on sulfate shampoo will also work).
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Would someone mind suggesting a heavier rinse out conditioner? Is this done because cowashes like Tresemme are just too lite? If so why not just use a heave rinse out conditioner as your co wash altogether and skip a step? Forgive me I'm simplistic, I have a 5 and 3 year old, and do volunteer work full time. So, I want fab hair with fewest steps possible, don't we all? lol

Also you ladies are finding you get best results if you do a leave in as well? Is this due to dryness as well? What do you find the benefits are, and do you feel it weighs your hair down?

And thanks for the Suave info, I really want to try to go full CG this time. Modified hasn't worked in the past for me.

Sav
I use a lighter conditioner for co-washing and a heavier conditioner for RO/LI because my scalp doesn't like the heavier stuff--my hair definitely needs extra moisture, but my scalp does not because it tends to get greasy. Two good (and cheap) RO options are GFTN (one of my favorites!) and Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture. I switch between the two depending on how much moisture I think my hair needs. A lot of curlies also like the Yes To... products (YTCarrots is the one I see listed most often).

My hair does like LI, but most of the time all I do is scrunch in about a teaspoon of my RO after my shower. No separate product

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
Would someone mind suggesting a heavier rinse out conditioner? Is this done because cowashes like Tresemme are just too lite? If so why not just use a heave rinse out conditioner as your co wash altogether and skip a step? Forgive me I'm simplistic, I have a 5 and 3 year old, and do volunteer work full time. So, I want fab hair with fewest steps possible, don't we all? lol

Also you ladies are finding you get best results if you do a leave in as well? Is this due to dryness as well? What do you find the benefits are, and do you feel it weighs your hair down?

And thanks for the Suave info, I really want to try to go full CG this time. Modified hasn't worked in the past for me.

Sav
Originally Posted by savannahm
Yes, a heavier rinse out is done because hair needs more moisture than a lighter cowash conditioner can provide. You could try a heavier rinse out conditioner as your cowash, but your scalp may not like all that moisture, and/or your hair may get overconditioned if you use a heavy conditioner for cowashing and rinse out. Also, a heavier, thicker conditioner can be harder to cowash with than a thinner one, just because it's a little harder to get to the scalp with and distribute nicely.

I love Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition as a rinse out, but some people find that's too much moisture for them, or that it weighs their hair down. Garnier Sleek and Shine conditioner is another option, as is Aubrey Organics conditioners. All Burt's Bees and some of the Renpure conditioners are CG friendly as well. I know some of the Renpure have water soluble cones in them. They'll wash out with cowashing, but do give some people problems. If you have a beauty supply store like Sally's near you, many also like the GVP Conditioning balm. It's a generic of Biolage Conditioning Balm. Once you figure out your hair's porosity and texture especially, watch people's siggies for what people with similar hair use in their routine. Here's a decent list of CG friendly conditioners.

I have found my hair does best with a leave in and styler. I usually just add a tiny bit of my rinse out conditioner back into my hair before applying gel. Under normal circumstances, I get increased frizz if I skip the leave in step, and yes, it can feel dry as well. My hair is low porosity and seems to do better at absorbing moisture over longer term as opposed to in a rinse out format. I can step out of the shower feeling like my hair is dry or not properly moisturized, and a few hours later have it soft and feeling fantastic. I sometimes will skip the rinse out step and apply my normal rinse out as a leave in... My hair seems perfectly happy with that regimen, though I haven't quite jumped to eliminating the rinse out step on a regular basis. That said, I do tend to get overconditioned, and I'm not sure whether that's just my hair needing regular protein treatments, or that my conditioners are too heavy. Experimenting with that!
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Is the L.A. Looks nutra curl moisturizing? Something made me a little greasy today. I don't think it was just the cowash though, because I've been doing sulfate shampoo and silicone cowashing and didn't have this problem just after I was finished styling before.

How do I know how much gel to use? Should I put the gel on my roots? I want as much volume there as possible.

I will carry on and see how things turn out.

Sav
Is the L.A. Looks nutra curl moisturizing? Something made me a little greasy today. I don't think it was just the cowash though, because I've been doing sulfate shampoo and silicone cowashing and didn't have this problem just after I was finished styling before.

How do I know how much gel to use? Should I put the gel on my roots? I want as much volume there as possible.

I will carry on and see how things turn out.

Sav
Originally Posted by savannahm
The Nutra Curl gel is moisturizing. I've never used it myself, but I checked the ingredients list and I'd suspect the PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil in it is what's giving you the greasy feel. Some people's hair really hates castor oil or can only tolerate it in very minute amounts.

The amount of product your hair needs is something you'll get a better feel for over time, and how much you need to use will depend on your hair. I use hard hold gel and around a quarter size dollop for my medium density, bra strap length hair. If your hair is fine, or wavy as opposed to curly, you might well need less gel than a curlier person with thicker hair. If you're experiencing abnormal flaking (same product lineup, but seeing flakes), you can't "scrunch out the crunch" after your hair dries, or your hair feels "producty" (coated, and/or greasy and limp) when dry, you've probably used too much gel and should cut back. You'll know it was too much gel if cutting back on the amount gets rid of the flakes and "producty" feeling. If it doesn't, they're due to some other cause. If you have more frizz than usual or unruly hair, or parts of your hair look good with others looking wild, you may want to try more gel. If increasing the gel amount doesn't fix the problem or gives you "I've used too much gel" symptoms, then something else is causing it.

Absolutely you can use gel on your roots. I tend to have flat top, but also frizzy ends... So, I apply gel throughout, but make certain that my trouble areas are coated. If you need volume on top, you could also try diffusing, using clips, or even using a mousse. For me, I need a gel for hold, but it doesn't give me the volume that a mousse would.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Yes I think it was the castor oil. I have just kept it away from my roots lately and haven't had any problems. Actually this routine is really growing on me. I'm loving my hair more every day.

Sav

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