CG with tight COILY hair

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I just finished week 2 of my CG journey. Before CG I noticed a few coils here and there, but now my whole head is filled with these tiny coils. My cousin asked me if I had set my hair on toothpicks It seems that my hair is clumping, but in really teeny clumps of very tight coils (imagine a slinky at rest). Some are looser coils like a stretch slinky and some are tight at the scalp and looser near the ends.

One day I put a LOT of gel in to stretch out the coils. It then looked like tiny waves. But as it dried it shrunk into coils and when I woke up the next day the coils were back in full force. I suppose this is the natural pattern of my hair, to coil, right?

All of the CG ladies I see have looser curls and I'm wondering if there is ANYone using this method with cottony, kinky, thin, fine, tight COILS? If you're out there I would love to see pictures and here how CG is working for you. I'm wondering what this type of hair looks like when it grows longer. Surely I can't be the only one
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I do not have any coils, perhaps my ends can "sort of coil" on a great day. however I think as long as you don't have tangling issues and can manage to pull the shed hair out every wash you will be fine. my experience with a friend's hair which yours sounds just like, is that the coils are so tiny that the clumps of hair will fit through the comb vs. the comb fitting through the clumps of hair, so on her I have resorted to just using my fingers anyway.
No you are not. You sound like you did a wash style & go. Which is what I do about 99% of the time.


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Oh thank you both for replying!

Candii, I can relate to your friend's hair. Wide tooth shower combs did nothing for removing shed hairs for the same reason as your friend. I picked up a Tangle Teaser that worked great for removing them, but since going CG I'm finding that fingers are just fine too! You're such a sweetie for helping out a friend.

Ketchup, its good to know I'm on a good path. I think I'm in love with wng's. Though I've always admired them on others, I never thought I could wear them. Your hair appears a lot thicker than mine, and if you're still doing wng, it gives me hope that I can too as my hair grows out. Thank you.

BTW, you both have some gorgeous hair.
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I'm still doing them, haven't had any reason to stop yet. As for finger -combing/ detangling I ditched the comb over a year ago and haven't looked back since.
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Hey!! I've really been contemplating trying cg but tbh - I'm scared it'll all go topsy turvy.

One other thing is that I take a shower at night so I'm not sure if I could do it, as an outsider to this regimen it seems like the hair is kept wet - unless that's a silly statement.

I have 4bc hair. Could someone please in layman's terms explain how cg would work with type 4 hair.
I have a feeling I do something similar but instead of leaving my hair out in an fro I put it in twists, once it has air dried, I don't use gel. I've started finger detan. a few months back so that's not a problem.
I've seem that my hair can clump well, but that's due to looking after my hair really well for a year and a half now.

It would be nice to hydrate my hair well more than every 10 days (wash days), but from past experience washing my hair with no sulphate shampoo every week was too drying (so glad that ive never used a sulphate shampoo, that would have been disastrous) - obv dcing was helping with that but I studied my scalp and realised it starts to buildup by day 9 so I wash day ten.
Having said that I do wash my hair at night, I'm not those girls that suffer from mighty shrinkage, and when it does it doesn't tangle. My hair is fine and not the typical big afro. Two distinct textures -fine but coarse at the front with a slight z shaped curl, fine and more curly at the back.

I have hair creams/ leave ins which have helped keep my hair soft days at a time, sealing with castor/olive oil mix.

I guess theres nothing wrong in trying cg, but I want to SEE if it'll work well for type 4. Tbh it seems like a wng but then again I've never tried that (I've actually assumed that having this hair type you wouldnt retain much length with the hair constantly being out...pls educate me lol).

Can I do it at night too? I have hard water in my area too, would that have an affect?
Sorry this was a long response xx
Hey!! I've really been contemplating trying cg but tbh - I'm scared it'll all go topsy turvy.

One other thing is that I take a shower at night so I'm not sure if I could do it, as an outsider to this regimen it seems like the hair is kept wet - unless that's a silly statement.

I have 4bc hair. Could someone please in layman's terms explain how cg would work with type 4 hair.
I have a feeling I do something similar but instead of leaving my hair out in an fro I put it in twists, once it has air dried, I don't use gel. I've started finger detan. a few months back so that's not a problem.
I've seem that my hair can clump well, but that's due to looking after my hair really well for a year and a half now.

It would be nice to hydrate my hair well more than every 10 days (wash days), but from past experience washing my hair with no sulphate shampoo every week was too drying (so glad that ive never used a sulphate shampoo, that would have been disastrous) - obv dcing was helping with that but I studied my scalp and realised it starts to buildup by day 9 so I wash day ten.
Having said that I do wash my hair at night, I'm not those girls that suffer from mighty shrinkage, and when it does it doesn't tangle. My hair is fine and not the typical big afro. Two distinct textures -fine but coarse at the front with a slight z shaped curl, fine and more curly at the back.

I have hair creams/ leave ins which have helped keep my hair soft days at a time, sealing with castor/olive oil mix.

I guess theres nothing wrong in trying cg, but I want to SEE if it'll work well for type 4. Tbh it seems like a wng but then again I've never tried that (I've actually assumed that having this hair type you wouldnt retain much length with the hair constantly being out...pls educate me lol).

Can I do it at night too? I have hard water in my area too, would that have an affect?
Sorry this was a long response xx
Originally Posted by eajiyemi
I'm reading this post and my face is like this
Could you please share what your understanding of what "going CG" is? I find a lot of naturals have a misunderstanding of it and it helps to talk (or rather write) it out so that the method is clarified.

Basically CG is:
1) Shampoo less frequently (down to never if your scalp can stand it) and use conditioner to cleanse or low-poo if absolutely necessary when your hair/scalp needs it

2) Condition more frequently (use products that are silicone free)

3) Style with your fingers. Gel is useful because it sets the curl but it is optional. If you like to use gel make sure it's alcohol- (the drying kind) and silicone-free (or is water soluble).

4) Air dry majority of the time. Limit or cut out heat styling (unless drying with a diffuser)

5) Trim on an as-needed basis depending on your hair goals and your lifestyle.

That's it. Lorraine Massey does encourage that in order to truly embrace your natural texture, one should not over-manipulate it or style it in a way that is harmful to the curls. I think that's where people have been interpreting that to mean that Type 4s cannot do twist outs or braidouts and be CG, but that just doesn't make any sense. Those styles are texture-friendly, esp when dealing with the kinkiest and coiliest of curl patterns. The problem comes in when a person is tugging and pulling their hair to get it to do something it can't. That's the point she was getting at.

The bottom line of this method is to focus on increasing the hydration levels of the hair and treat it kindly. How each curlie determines what that is for their hair is ultimately up to them. There's no need to make it complicated, if you don't want to wet your hair everyday, then don't. If you only need to wash your hair once a week, every 2 weeks, or even once a month then that's cool. Conditioning is what matters anyway. If you want to twist, or braid it to stave off shrinkage, then do that. Just be mindful to respect what your hair can and can not do and you'll be fine.

HTH
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Last edited by artemis513; 06-01-2012 at 05:07 PM.
Hey!! I've really been contemplating trying cg but tbh - I'm scared it'll all go topsy turvy.

One other thing is that I take a shower at night so I'm not sure if I could do it, as an outsider to this regimen it seems like the hair is kept wet - unless that's a silly statement.

I have 4bc hair. Could someone please in layman's terms explain how cg would work with type 4 hair.
I have a feeling I do something similar but instead of leaving my hair out in an fro I put it in twists, once it has air dried, I don't use gel. I've started finger detan. a few months back so that's not a problem.
I've seem that my hair can clump well, but that's due to looking after my hair really well for a year and a half now.

It would be nice to hydrate my hair well more than every 10 days (wash days), but from past experience washing my hair with no sulphate shampoo every week was too drying (so glad that ive never used a sulphate shampoo, that would have been disastrous) - obv dcing was helping with that but I studied my scalp and realised it starts to buildup by day 9 so I wash day ten.
Having said that I do wash my hair at night, I'm not those girls that suffer from mighty shrinkage, and when it does it doesn't tangle. My hair is fine and not the typical big afro. Two distinct textures -fine but coarse at the front with a slight z shaped curl, fine and more curly at the back.

I have hair creams/ leave ins which have helped keep my hair soft days at a time, sealing with castor/olive oil mix.

I guess theres nothing wrong in trying cg, but I want to SEE if it'll work well for type 4. Tbh it seems like a wng but then again I've never tried that (I've actually assumed that having this hair type you wouldnt retain much length with the hair constantly being out...pls educate me lol).

Can I do it at night too? I have hard water in my area too, would that have an affect?
Sorry this was a long response xx
Originally Posted by eajiyemi
I'm reading this post and my face is like this
Could you please share what your understanding of what "going CG" is? I find a lot of naturals have a misunderstanding of it and it helps to talk (or rather write) it out so that the method is clarified.

Basically CG is:
1) Shampoo less frequently (down to never if your scalp can stand it) and use conditioner to cleanse or low-poo if absolutely necessary when your hair/scalp needs it

2) Condition more frequently (use products that are silicone free)

3) Style with your fingers. Gel is useful because it sets the curl but it is optional. If you like to use gel make sure it's alcohol- (the drying kind) and silicone-free (or is water soluble).

4) Air dry majority of the time. Limit or cut out heat styling (unless drying with a diffuser)

5) Trim on an as-needed basis depending on your hair goals and your lifestyle.

That's it. Lorraine Massey does encourage that in order to truly embrace your natural texture, one should not over-manipulate it or style it in a way that is harmful to the curls. I think that's where people have been interpreting that to mean that Type 4s cannot do twist outs or braidouts and be CG, but that just doesn't make any sense. Those styles are texture-friendly, esp when dealing with the kinkiest and coiliest of curl patterns. The problem comes in when a person is tugging and pulling their hair to get it to do something it can't. That's the point she was getting at.

The bottom line of this method is to focus on increasing the hydration levels of the hair and treat it kindly. How each curlie determines what that is for their hair is ultimately up to them. There's no need to make it complicated, if you don't want to wet your hair everyday, then don't. If you only need to wash your hair once a week, every 2 weeks, or even once a month then that's cool. Conditioning is what matters anyway. If you want to twist, or braid it to stave off shrinkage, then do that. Just be mindful to respect what your hair can and can not do and you'll be fine.

HTH
Originally Posted by artemis513
This whole thread has me confused because a great number of the 4a posters including myself are CG.
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Hey!! I've really been contemplating trying cg but tbh - I'm scared it'll all go topsy turvy.

One other thing is that I take a shower at night so I'm not sure if I could do it, as an outsider to this regimen it seems like the hair is kept wet - unless that's a silly statement.

I have 4bc hair. Could someone please in layman's terms explain how cg would work with type 4 hair.
I have a feeling I do something similar but instead of leaving my hair out in an fro I put it in twists, once it has air dried, I don't use gel. I've started finger detan. a few months back so that's not a problem.
I've seem that my hair can clump well, but that's due to looking after my hair really well for a year and a half now.

It would be nice to hydrate my hair well more than every 10 days (wash days), but from past experience washing my hair with no sulphate shampoo every week was too drying (so glad that ive never used a sulphate shampoo, that would have been disastrous) - obv dcing was helping with that but I studied my scalp and realised it starts to buildup by day 9 so I wash day ten.
Having said that I do wash my hair at night, I'm not those girls that suffer from mighty shrinkage, and when it does it doesn't tangle. My hair is fine and not the typical big afro. Two distinct textures -fine but coarse at the front with a slight z shaped curl, fine and more curly at the back.

I have hair creams/ leave ins which have helped keep my hair soft days at a time, sealing with castor/olive oil mix.

I guess theres nothing wrong in trying cg, but I want to SEE if it'll work well for type 4. Tbh it seems like a wng but then again I've never tried that (I've actually assumed that having this hair type you wouldnt retain much length with the hair constantly being out...pls educate me lol).

Can I do it at night too? I have hard water in my area too, would that have an affect?
Sorry this was a long response xx
Originally Posted by eajiyemi
I'm reading this post and my face is like this
Could you please share what your understanding of what "going CG" is? I find a lot of naturals have a misunderstanding of it and it helps to talk (or rather write) it out so that the method is clarified.

Basically CG is:
1) Shampoo less frequently (down to never if your scalp can stand it) and use conditioner to cleanse or low-poo if absolutely necessary when your hair/scalp needs it

2) Condition more frequently (use products that are silicone free)

3) Style with your fingers. Gel is useful because it sets the curl but it is optional. If you like to use gel make sure it's alcohol- (the drying kind) and silicone-free (or is water soluble).

4) Air dry majority of the time. Limit or cut out heat styling (unless drying with a diffuser)

5) Trim on an as-needed basis depending on your hair goals and your lifestyle.

That's it. Lorraine Massey does encourage that in order to truly embrace your natural texture, one should not over-manipulate it or style it in a way that is harmful to the curls. I think that's where people have been interpreting that to mean that Type 4s cannot do twist outs or braidouts and be CG, but that just doesn't make any sense. Those styles are texture-friendly, esp when dealing with the kinkiest and coiliest of curl patterns. The problem comes in when a person is tugging and pulling their hair to get it to do something it can't. That's the point she was getting at.

The bottom line of this method is to focus on increasing the hydration levels of the hair and treat it kindly. How each curlie determines what that is for their hair is ultimately up to them. There's no need to make it complicated, if you don't want to wet your hair everyday, then don't. If you only need to wash your hair once a week, every 2 weeks, or even once a month then that's cool. Conditioning is what matters anyway. If you want to twist, or braid it to stave off shrinkage, then do that. Just be mindful to respect what your hair can and can not do and you'll be fine.

HTH
Originally Posted by artemis513
This whole thread has me confused because a great number of the 4a posters including myself are CG.
Originally Posted by adthomas
Atermis beat me to it. To me it seems most of the new wave of CG-doers believe CG is all about wng and Tresseme. Folks are not realizing that they are usually already practicing core principles of going CG by avoiding sulphates, silicones e.t.c
Thanks for setting it straight.





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Last edited by Ketchup; 06-02-2012 at 02:22 AM.
Hey ladies,
See, I already had a feeling that I was doing something pretty similar.
I wash ever ten days with a non sulphate shampoo
And dc immediately afterwards.
I use my fingers to manipulate my hair and then for styling I twist or cornrow.
I actually thought that going cg was impossible for type 4, hence me coming on here and seeing if it was possible.
I also thought that cg was a special sort of wng.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, just trying to understand how the method works for type 4. But maybe I'm already doing it. I just pat dry my hair with a microfiber towel and I don't always set the curls free form. I put my hair into a ps instead.
The only thing I'm scared about is putting harder water onto my hair more frequently in order to up my conditioning sessions. I guess I could incorporate acv as much as poss.
Lol it seems like I'm answering my very own questions.

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I'm reading this post and my face is like this
Could you please share what your understanding of what "going CG" is? I find a lot of naturals have a misunderstanding of it and it helps to talk (or rather write) it out so that the method is clarified.

Basically CG is:
1) Shampoo less frequently (down to never if your scalp can stand it) and use conditioner to cleanse or low-poo if absolutely necessary when your hair/scalp needs it

2) Condition more frequently (use products that are silicone free)

3) Style with your fingers. Gel is useful because it sets the curl but it is optional. If you like to use gel make sure it's alcohol- (the drying kind) and silicone-free (or is water soluble).

4) Air dry majority of the time. Limit or cut out heat styling (unless drying with a diffuser)

5) Trim on an as-needed basis depending on your hair goals and your lifestyle.

That's it. Lorraine Massey does encourage that in order to truly embrace your natural texture, one should not over-manipulate it or style it in a way that is harmful to the curls. I think that's where people have been interpreting that to mean that Type 4s cannot do twist outs or braidouts and be CG, but that just doesn't make any sense. Those styles are texture-friendly, esp when dealing with the kinkiest and coiliest of curl patterns. The problem comes in when a person is tugging and pulling their hair to get it to do something it can't. That's the point she was getting at.

The bottom line of this method is to focus on increasing the hydration levels of the hair and treat it kindly. How each curlie determines what that is for their hair is ultimately up to them. There's no need to make it complicated, if you don't want to wet your hair everyday, then don't. If you only need to wash your hair once a week, every 2 weeks, or even once a month then that's cool. Conditioning is what matters anyway. If you want to twist, or braid it to stave off shrinkage, then do that. Just be mindful to respect what your hair can and can not do and you'll be fine.

HTH
Originally Posted by artemis513
This whole thread has me confused because a great number of the 4a posters including myself are CG.
Originally Posted by adthomas
Atermis beat me to it. To me it seems most of the new wave of CG-doers believe CG is all about wng and Tresseme. Folks are not realizing that they are usually already practicing core principles of going CG by avoiding sulphates, silicones e.t.c
Thanks for setting it straight.





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Originally Posted by Ketchup
I suspect part of the misconception came from that because this section is about "trying" CG then it is mostly people who are new to the method who post here and maybe most of them have looser curls. I admit this may be the 1st or 2nd time I have looked at this section because I have been CG for years. People may not realize veteran CG'ers probably dont post as much here because they are not trying they're doing. There are plenty of tightly coiled ladies who follow this method. It keeps my hair better hydrated.
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I think I read somewhere that in order to drtangle the hair it must be done in the shower, under running water. How do you incorporate that as a tight coily?

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I detangle my hair 1x per week. I do it when I have deep conditioner in my hair. While the deep conditioner is in my hair, I make 8 twists. When it's time for me to rinse out the deep conditioner, I take down each twist and finger comb until there are no tangles.
I think I read somewhere that in order to drtangle the hair it must be done in the shower, under running water. How do you incorporate that as a tight coily?

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Originally Posted by eajiyemi
I don't think having tighly coiled hair affects whether you can detangle in the shower or not. After a weekly shampoo dc, I detangle with my fingers in the shower loaded with conditioner. I clip my hair in sections. Then I get out and later with my leave in detangle with a wide tooth comb. I do this because finger detangling doesn't get enough of my shed hairs out and I need a comb once a week or the shed hairs tangle with the rest and give me bad tangles and knots. I could do this in the shower but I don't like to leave my water running so long.
For my other cowashes during the week I only finger detangle. Or is I'm rebrading, retwisting I spritz and finger detangle.
it's about experimenting and finding what works for you. There was a thread in 4a asking people at what point do they detangle. A search should help you find it.
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+1 to adthomas. The idea behind suggesting detangling in the shower is that you can apply your conditioner, let it sit and then when the hair is at its softest you can detangle with less stress to the hair. Finger detangling is recommended, but with tight coily hair that may not always be enough to get all the shed hairs out. Sometimes you need to go back in with a wide tooth comb, but that is perfectly fine as long as you're gentle. Not sure where the running water bit came from, though. That works for some and not for others. I prefer to detangle (also in sections) and then rinse under the water with my fingers afterwards, just as a double/triple check that all the tangles are out, but I don't just stand under the shower trying to detangle my whole head.

All care "methods" are not rules, they are simply guidelines, meaning not required but recommended. In the end just do what works best for you.

I know people say that a lot but it's true. It really is in each person's best interest to view it like that (time, money, etc). For the people that struggle with their hair trying to find "the right regimen"...the sooner you figure out that you just have to get in there and try different things to see what works, the easier it will be, like a light bulb will click on and it won't be such a mystery anymore lol.
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Last edited by artemis513; 06-09-2012 at 09:29 AM.
Hi mesocurly, I'm so happy you posted this! I wanted to know the exact same thing. I also have fine strands and have always thought they look like they were set on toothpicks lol. I wondered if my hair would be harder to manage with the CG method than other curlies.

I decided to try it, but didn't keep it up for long because of the horrendous detangling I had to go through afterwards. However, I can't truly comment on how well it works because I didn't follow every step for a long period of time. The first time I tried the CG method I added a little of the tightly curly method (Curly Primer ) by leaving in the conditioner and twirling my hair a bit for style.

Results: The mix of methods turned out a lot different from when I did a regular Wash n Go with no method 2 years ago.

September 2010 Regular Wash n Go (peep the "lines" of coils and how they clump w/other lines of coils)


Length in October 2010


July 2012 Mixed methods & twirling for style


As you can see, with this hair type the Wash n Go length hasn't changed much over the years for me. However my stretched length has a lot more to show.
Natural 2 years and 4 months.


Hair type: 4a suuper tight coils, fine, dense with thin edges (working on this!), medium-high porosity

All of the CG ladies I see have looser curls and I'm wondering if there is ANYone using this method with cottony, kinky, thin, fine, tight COILS? If you're out there I would love to see pictures and here how CG is working for you. I'm wondering what this type of hair looks like when it grows longer. Surely I can't be the only one
Originally Posted by mesocurly
You are not alone. I experienced the same thing just las week when I co-washed and was actually asked if I curled it myself (huh?) I am glad you posted so I now know that I am not alone 😊
I have to shower in order to wake up properly in the mornings

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