Introduction to the no-poo method

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I love all this wealth of information yet concise. I love the diluting of shampoo idea. Could adding baking soda to your co wash still fit under the CG method?
Do I use a sulfate cone free shampoo every time before using cg method?
Tried the modified cg method for the first time this past Sunday & my hair feels so soft. I can't wait to see how my hair continues to respond. YAY. Moisture retention is still an issues but working on it.
I just bought the book yesterday, read it last night and tossed all my shampoo in the garbage. Today I did the cowash and I am loving this. I wish I had known about this years ago!
Awesome article, I am going to start looking for some products I can use, that are a little less pricey then the ones I'm currently using. I hope I can find something that will work for me!
About 3 years ago, I heard of using baking soda in stead of shampoo. I tried it for about 9 months. It took a few weeks for my hair and scalp to adjust. Then I went back to regular shampoo. Now I use shampoo only twice a week, and condition every day. Basically I guess that's modCG and my hair is very happy with how I'm treating it. Once I use up the products I have on hand, I'm going to invest in CG friendly products. Right now, I have v05 conditioner (can't remember the "flavor") and Dove intensive repair.

Love the info I'm finding here!
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Hi everyone, I'm "HalfWavyHalfCurly", back after years of absence and "reborn" with a new nickname. My curls have been very happy since starting CG in '02, but especially since I stopped being a PJ and stuck to some tried and true staples. I did have a bit of trouble in the beginning due to using the wrong COs but what I learned is something I've been passing on to other curlies, so I'll be happy to help any newbies, just feel free to ask.
Hey Friends!

So, I'm wanting to start the CG method. I have a combo of 2C/3A hair and I just want to make sure I have this right.

So, In order to start- I need to clarify with a sulfate shampoo and then get rid of my styling products with silicones in them. Then, I can either use a no-poo or a Co-Wash conditioner for my scalp.

Do I need another conditioner for the length of my hair? Do people recommend leave-ins or rinse out conditioners? And then I also need a good gel and deep conditioner?

Also, is it recommended to get a haircut first to clean things up before starting, as well?

Thanks!
Hey Friends!

So, I'm wanting to start the CG method. I have a combo of 2C/3A hair and I just want to make sure I have this right.

So, In order to start- I need to clarify with a sulfate shampoo and then get rid of my styling products with silicones in them. Then, I can either use a no-poo or a Co-Wash conditioner for my scalp.

Do I need another conditioner for the length of my hair? Do people recommend leave-ins or rinse out conditioners? And then I also need a good gel and deep conditioner?

Also, is it recommended to get a haircut first to clean things up before starting, as well?

Thanks!
Originally Posted by russianprncss
As far as the sulfate shampoo you start with, make sure it doesn't have any silicones in it. Shampoos sneak cones in sometimes.
I'm not sure what others would think, but I'd really recommend keeping things simple to start with. A lighter conditioner for washing is what seems to work for most, and you can follow with a heavier one if your hair is particularly dry. Then you can use either a leave in conditioner, or try just a bit of your rinse out conditioner. Then you can try using a gel or some other styler if you like, you may have to experiment a little to see which styler and styling technique your hair prefers.
That might not seem so simple, but I think it's a good foundation. If you try this while adding in all kinds of extra treatments and the like, you'll have a hard time knowing which things your hair responds well to and which things it hates.
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2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
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I agree with Serene Curls, I'd say that if you can find a CO that qualifies with the basic requirements outlined in the original book (one with some protein, oil, etc.) it can do double duty to start with, and might even help you identify any problem that might come up. I would strongly recommend getting one from a health food store such as Nature's Gate, Avalon Organics, etc., as they are less likely to contribute to buildup and some are very good for our hair.

If you feel adventurous, make some FSG (flax seed gel), that way you'll be starting more on the natural side and be less likely to have any big issues. Btw, I read somewhere else that it's best to soak the flax seeds overnight before making the gel for better results... I never made it that way but next time I will. That recipe is the "bare-gones" one, different people add different things to it, for example, I used to add about 1 tsp. Epsom salt for curl enhancement, lavender EO for fragrance and also its bactericidal and hair-friendly properties, a few drops of jojoba and Vit. E oil, and sometimes AVG (aloe vera gel).

Best wishes and report back your results!
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Thanks for so much for responding. CGSince2002, are those good conditioners for my lighter conditioner (which I understand will be used for my scalp). I have trouble jumping on the Suave, etc train cuz I don't know about all the additives and such.
2B/C; very, very thick fine to medium hair; low porosity.

Current Products:
Co-Wash: Jane Carter Revitalizing CoWash
Conditioner: Aubrey Organics Island Replenishing, Aubrey Organics GPB, KCKT
Leave-In: Alaffia Hair Lotion
Stylers: KCCC, Beautiful Curls Curl Cream, Giovanni Mousse, KCCC Refresher[/FONT]



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Which conditioners? I'm afraid I missed something... but whatever you do, stay away from Suave, it can wreck CG, especially in the beginning... If you can afford it get one of "Nature's Gate" from a health food store. If not, try VO5 Kiwi & Lime Clarifying for washing and Shea Cashmere for the length. If you're hair's on the dry side the last one might work for both.
I am wanting to start the Cowash Method. I am looking into buying Cantu's Cowashing Product. After I cowash, do I still need to use my regular conitioner?
So the Cowash method is no conditioner, but a special "cowash" product to Wash the Hair?
If so, what is the No poo Method? Whats the difference?

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When I started CG in '02, as my nickname says, things were not this complicated! The whole idea was to simplify one's hair care routine, CO means conditioner, so co-wash just means "washing with conditioner" so there is NO difference between that and "no-poo", just different ways people call the CG method.

Whenever possible one CO should be enough for everything, besides, "back in the day" specific co-washes did not exist yet. IMO they are an unnecessary expense because they usually cost more than a regular CO which could be perfectly fine both for washing and conditioning.

We need to keep in mind that conditioners were created to smooth the hair after shampooing because they roughen the cuticle, with full CG that won't happen, unless a person is clarifying with b.s. or ACV. BUT since most people arrive at CG with very dry or even damaged hair, at least in the beginning reapplying the CO after "co-washing" is very helpful.

Idk if you've ever watched the Wen infommercials, one product does it all (ideally). But sometimes because people don't know their real hair's properties and condition they choose the wrong CO or use too much of it, end up with greasy-looking and flat hair with lots of frizz, and some solve the problem by getting a lighter one for washing. So my advice is to not be heavy-handed when starting, you can always use more next time or even after your hair's dry by diluting a little bit with water in a spray bottle and misting your hair with it, the same goes with the gel, better to not get enough hold for one day than to end up with petrified curls!

A good way to judge if you need to reapply or use your co-wash as a LI, is how the hair feels after co-washing it. If it's slippery and detangled easily, you may actually not need more, especially if your own scalp produces enough oil. But if hair is dry due to heat or chemical processing, then it's a good idea to use more CO rather than less.




I wonder if someone could educate me a little on some conditioners I bought to try as co washes. I know I should just try them but it would help me if I knew if you thought they were right for me. Products I bought were YTC Pampering conditioner and Giovanni 2Chic Avocado & Olive Oil condit. And I'll tell you I am a PJ but I am ok with that, I have always liked to alternate between products that are working well.

I have 3a hair, coarse but thin hair with dyed ends that appear healthy but since they are dyed, there is obviously some damage. I have used Deva no poo and one c and they are ok, not great. I do like vo5 kiwi lime condition but suave coconut looks dull,coated. One time I tried SM coconut hibiscus poo/condish and it was such a greasy mess, I had to immediately wash with Deva no poo.

Is that enough info to tell me (based on the ingredients) iof the 2 products above are ok for me? I know, just use them but it can sometimes take several uses before I know a product is really bad for me. I am not good with the science part of CG and so many of you guys are
I wonder if someone could educate me a little on some conditioners I bought to try as co washes. I know I should just try them but it would help me if I knew if you thought they were right for me. Products I bought were YTC Pampering conditioner and Giovanni 2Chic Avocado & Olive Oil condit. And I'll tell you I am a PJ but I am ok with that, I have always liked to alternate between products that are working well.

I have 3a hair, coarse but thin hair with dyed ends that appear healthy but since they are dyed, there is obviously some damage. I have used Deva no poo and one c and they are ok, not great. I do like vo5 kiwi lime condition but suave coconut looks dull,coated. One time I tried SM coconut hibiscus poo/condish and it was such a greasy mess, I had to immediately wash with Deva no poo.

Is that enough info to tell me (based on the ingredients) iof the 2 products above are ok for me? I know, just use them but it can sometimes take several uses before I know a product is really bad for me. I am not good with the science part of CG and so many of you guys are
Originally Posted by CurlyInParadise
Giovanni 2Chic: Aqua (Purified Water), Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B-5), Phenoxyethanol, Citric Acid, Chlorophyllin-Copper Complex, Fragrance, *Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, *Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, *Litchi (Lychee) Chinensis Fruit Extract, *Oleo Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil,*Chenopodium Quinoa Flower/Leaf Extract, *Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter, *Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Sodium Benzoate. USDA Certified Organic.

YTC Pampering: Water (Aqua), Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Juice*, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Seed Oil*, Maris Aqua, Maris Limus Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Oil*, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Calendula Officinalis Seed Oil, Cucurbita Pepo (Pumpkin) Fruit Extract, Ipomoea Batatas (Sweet Potato) Extract*, Cucumis Melo (Melon) Fruit Extract, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Fruit Extract, Honey Extract, Punica Granatum (Pomegranate) Extract, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Fragrance (Parfum), Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate * Certified Organic Ingredient.

Of those two conditioners, I would think that the Giovanni will work better for you as a cowash. It has three fatty alcohols that will also act as seconday surfactants (foaming ingredients) compared to just one in the YTC. It also has a decent amount of citric acid, which will help reduce mineral buildup if you have hard water. It does have a good amount of Guar Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Chloride in it, which is a cationic conditioning agent that can build up for some (not all). If you use this conditioner and start seeing frizz when wet, that can be a sign of buildup, and you'll want to use a little stronger cleanser to remove it. Some have no issues with cationic conditioning agents, and of the people who do, some can remove with a sulfate free shampoo (low poo), while others require one or even multiple sulfate washes. The Giovanni also has a tiny bit of shea butter in it, which could build up if you're just cowashing, however it acts as an emollient (softener). In that amount and because you have coarse hair, the shea butter might not be problematic for you. Just something to watch.

The YTC conditioner I have heard is a reasonable drugstore dup. for Deva One C. I haven't used either, so can't spek to the accuracy of that assessment, but if you hated One C, you might not like YTC either.

Potential problem ingredients in the YTC are cetyl esters, a waxy ingredient which can build up for some, especially if only co-washing, maris aqua, which is sea water, and guar hydroxypropyl trimonium chloride. Sea water contains salt, which is curl enhancing but can be drying as well. I mentioned the potential issues with the guar hydroxypropyl trimonium chloride above, but you can read more about cationic conditioning agents (and polyquats) here.

All that said, I wouldn't be afraid to try either conditioner. Both are protein free, so ok to use for coarse hair. There are people on CurlTalk who really like both. I'd just try each of them and be alert for any adverse reactions your hair might have. Try to keep the rest of your routine the same while testing your new co-washes, so that if you have a problem on a given day, you won't have to troubleshoot between multiple products.
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2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Thank you, great info. Hopefully I won't have a problem with buildup. So far if a product has given me problems it usually is a dull film, which is what Deva products did. I can shampoo with either Kinky Curly Come Clean or AO Honeysuckle Rose shampoo and I'm good. And if I rotate between several different co washes, I don't have the dull film issue. So I'm always looking for another good co wash product.
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You'd be surprised to see how many of us use cheap COs such as Suave and VO5 for co-wash because they work really well for cleansing. I even use some of them as LI by just adding a few drops of oil. The "secret" is alternating one that has proteins with one that doesn't, and if there's anything a bit "stubborn" on the hair (like the residue form some gels) to let the CO sit on the hair for a few min. before rinsing it out to give the surfactants a fair chance to break the residue down.
You'd be surprised to see how many of us use cheap COs such as Suave and VO5 for co-wash because they work really well for cleansing. I even use some of them as LI by just adding a few drops of oil. The "secret" is alternating one that has proteins with one that doesn't, and if there's anything a bit "stubborn" on the hair (like the residue form some gels) to let the CO sit on the hair for a few min. before rinsing it out to give the surfactants a fair chance to break the residue down.
Originally Posted by CGSince2002
I wish I could get the lime squeeze one but I haven't found any site to access it.

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CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe, Tresemme Naturals NM
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: WELLA New wave gel rock & hold
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

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Isn't there something similar where you live? Maybe there is and you just have to take a chance... as long as there are no 'cones or drying ingredients in them they could be worth a try.

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