Curly Girl - some problems...

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Hi there!
I started CG three or four weeks ago. First I thought it would take some time until my hair gets used to no-pooing but now after almost a month I've still got some problems with the CG method...

1. Before CG my hair was very voluminous. Now the hair at the crown looks very flat and un-voluminous... What could I do to regain some volume at the upper part of my head??

2. Since I started co-washing my hair looks a bit greasy at the top of my head. What could I do to make it look normal? I would like to try a leave in but i am afraid my hair looked even more greasy if i did not rinse it off. Should I give it a try?

3. The lower part of my hair is very curly, the upper part is straight. Is that normal or are my cur
ls kinda pulling down the upper part of my hair so it is straight at the top? If yes, what could I do against it?

My hair care routine:
(I'm sure nobody knows my hair products because I live in Austria... xD Of course they all are silicone free)

1. Balea Feuchtigkeitsspülung Aprikose & Milch (moisturizing conditioner)
2. Alverde Glanzspülung (shine conditioner, i found out that it reduces frizz )
- rinse off everything
3. Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass (gel)

Things that don't work with my hair:
- plopping
- curly clipping
- vinegar (when I rinsed it off I could see no difference, when I didn't my hair was horribly greasy)



So many questions... Has anybody some tips for me and my hair? And please don't recommend me any special products that are only available in USA, I can only buy products in Austria ^^'

Thanks for reading this!
ShinyCurl
Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language
I don't know what products are available to you, but a few general ideas that might help:

Have you figured out your hair's properties (texture, porosity, etc)? These make a huge difference in finding the right products.

Make sure that when you co-wash you're massaging your scalp very well (I usually do a good 2-3 minutes). And continue to massage scalp as you rinse.

You might want to try rotating in a sulfate-free shampoo (low-poo). There are lots of people who cannot co-wash exclusively, especially if your hair is fine in texture.

Have you tried baking soda or an apple cider vinegar rinse?

I hope this helps a bit.

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3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
I agree with Corinna. Perhaps you just need to shampoo with something sulphate free.

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Thank you for your tips! I will try to massage my scalp longer, maybe that helps. Maybe I will also try baking soda and apple cider vinegar again, last time they didn't help but that was when I began with CG - my hair changed since then so maybe it will work this time.

And I don't think my hair is fine, it's more medium or even coarse, but I think I should really try a sulfate free shampoo. Next Wednesday is gonna be shopping time

BTW: How can I find out what's my hair's porosity??? I already looked at the porosity site in 'texture typing' but I still have no clue whether my hair has high, medium or low porosity
Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language
Typically higher porosity will take less time to dry.

Lower porosity hair will take longer to dry and you might notice that certain products almost feel as though they're just sitting on your hair.

Hair that has been damaged by lots of heat and/or coloring will tend to be higher in porosity. But the use of heat or color doesn't necessarily mean you automatically have high porosity hair. I've colored my hair (not frequently) and have my hair straightened 2 or 3 times a year and my hair analysis showed normal porosity.

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3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
I have never colored my hair, it has been straightened with a flat iron twice in my whole life, I only blow-dry it when I have no time to let it air-dry.

My hair takes looooong to dry. When I wash it in the morning approximately 4-5 hours, when I wash it in the evening its still a little wettish after I wake up.

What do you mean with 'sitting on your hair'? Do you mean that some products kinda 'weigh down' the hair? (that sounds like my hair )
Or that the hair just doesn't absorb them and they aren't effective? (that sounds NOT like my hair)
Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language

Last edited by ShinyCurl; 07-20-2012 at 07:16 AM.
It sounds like normal porosity. My hair takes about 5 hours to air dry.

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3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
Really? The most people I konw say that their hair needs 2-3 hours to dry. When I say that my hair needs 5 hours or more to dry usually everyone lookes me like I was crazy so I thought my hair is unnormal until now :-) I'm happy that I'm not the only person in this world whoose hair needs so long (yes, for me it's long) to dry ^^

Anyway, thanks for your answers and tips - you helped me much!!
Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language
Keep in mind if you have a lot of hair (very dense) it will take longer to dry than someone with fine, thin hair. I believe I have normal porosity & my hair takes 2 hours to air dry. It's also fine textured & quite thin in density, so that makes a difference. Drying time can be affected by things other than porosity. If your hair is not heat or color damaged, you should have normal or low porosity. How much hair would you say you have? Density is unrelated to the thickness of each individual strand, that's texture.

I agree on the low-poo suggestion. And its common for the canopy (upper part) of the hair to be weaker curls than the underlayers - the canopy is most exposed to the environment. How is your hair cut? If it's long & one length all over, it could be weighing itself down. Long layers might help the canopy bounce up more

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fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel


Last edited by lcl0706; 07-20-2012 at 11:50 AM.
What you describe are all common. There are a few ways to increase root curl. If clipping and plopping didn't work for you you could try styling upside down.

As for the greasiness, I get that too. I use a leave in, but mostly on my length so that it doesn't add to the grease. Poo causes frizz for me, so I wash with water only instead and only use conditioner as a leave in.

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2c/3a, F/M, ii, med porosity, good elasticity, APL, silvery dark brown.
Love coconut oil, olive oil, and Everyday Shea!
@lcl0706
Yes I have much hair. I also have a question: I need very much conditioner to get my hair really 'wet like seaweed' with it. Do you think that's only because I have much hair or could that also be because my hair has low porosity or something different?
My haircut was layered (?) half a year ago but my hair grows quite fast so all strands are almost at the same lenght now. And I think you misunderstood me - I didn't mean the upper layer of my hair is not curly, I meant the upper part of it. Like when a strand is curly at the bottom but not at the top. (Hell, I don't know how to explain some things in English correctly. That's driving me crazy Dx)

@earthnut
My hair is frizzy when I use shampoo but it is also when I don't, so I think it makes no difference for me whether I wash with shampoo or not
Also, my hair is not shiny when I rinse with water only, I already tried that.

A question: I wanted to buy a sulfate free shampoo but I can't find one. Is it okay if there are some mild sulfates in it? (it is a natural cosmetics shampoo)

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Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language
Yes, my hair takes hourssssss to dry. But then that could also mean that, like someone else just said here, that you have a high density amount of hair on your head so that's why it stays wet for longer.

If you cannot wait for it to dry, use a blow-dryer and a diffuse attachment. There are hair clamps and clips to give you root volume on the top of your head so that you won't get the flat look.

CG since 3/11/2012

Type 2C (Botticelli according to Curly Girl: The Handbook)
iii Density
Medium-Coarse Texture
Normal Porosity
Normal Elasticity
HATES: Traditional sulfates/cones.
LOVES: Lots of moisture and homemade FSG!
(Many thanks to
http://www.livecurlylivefree.com/ for helping me figure out my texture, porosity, and elasticity properties! Check them out sometime!)
I already wrote that clipping doesn't work for my hair.
And i don't mind that it takes so long until my hair is dry - when I shower before I go to bed it is almost dry in the morning.

Could someone tell me if there are any sulfates in this shampoo? If yes, are they mild sulfates so that I can use it for low-pooing? Sorry, I am not very well versed in condish/shampoo ingredients yet ^^
Here is the list of ingredients:

Aqua (Water), Coco Glucoside, Alcohol*, Glycerin, Disodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Glyceryl Oleate, Sodium PCA, Xanthan Gum, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Bran Extract, Tilia Cordata Flower Extrakt*, Arginine, Hydrolyzed Silk, Parfum (Essential Oils), Phytic Acid, Citric Acid, Citral, Limonene, Linalool, CI 75810

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Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language
I already wrote that clipping doesn't work for my hair.
And i don't mind that it takes so long until my hair is dry - when I shower before I go to bed it is almost dry in the morning.

Could someone tell me if there are any sulfates in this shampoo? If yes, are they mild sulfates so that I can use it for low-pooing? Sorry, I am not very well versed in condish/shampoo ingredients yet ^^
Here is the list of ingredients:

Aqua (Water), Coco Glucoside, Alcohol*, Glycerin, Disodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Glyceryl Oleate, Sodium PCA, Xanthan Gum, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Bran Extract, Tilia Cordata Flower Extrakt*, Arginine, Hydrolyzed Silk, Parfum (Essential Oils), Phytic Acid, Citric Acid, Citral, Limonene, Linalool, CI 75810

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Originally Posted by ShinyCurl

No sulfates. I would be curious about the alcohol listed- I noticed the * next to it- is there further info available? Some alcohols are good, but certain types of alcohols can be drying.

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3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
Well, it is bio-alcohol so I guess it is not so bad. There is no more info about it.
I forgot to add, it is a natural cosmetics shampoo.

Does that mean I can buy the shampoo?

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Austrian Curly Girl

Texture: 2C/3A

Products: Balea Feuchtigkeits-Spülung, Alverde Glanz-Spülung, Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass

Sorry for my spelling mistakes... English is not my first language
If go for it.

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2c, F/M, ii, med porosity, good elasticity, APL, silvery dark brown.
Love coconut oil, olive oil, and Everyday Shea!
My hair care routine:
(I'm sure nobody knows my hair products because I live in Austria... xD Of course they all are silicone free)

1. Balea Feuchtigkeitsspülung Aprikose & Milch (moisturizing conditioner)
2. Alverde Glanzspülung (shine conditioner, i found out that it reduces frizz )
- rinse off everything
3. Alverde Stylinggel weißer Tee & Lemongrass (gel)
I do, actually, because I'm your neighbour. (Croatia)
How is Alverde gel working for you? I was thinking about getting it, but I'm so sceptic about products for hair. I know Alverde's silicone free and stuff, but no idea how this particular product works for curls. Does it help form them? Shines hair? Reduces frizz? Makes hair too hard or crunchy?

Thanks or the info!

Looking forward to trying Alverde Glanzspülung. I've used the Avocado one until now and haven't noticed changes frizz-wise.
the sulf free shampoo u are considering trying has a lot of protein in it.....as a word of caution it could possibly cause you problems if u have thicker hair...which i believe 2c is. i do.
hi there

I've been living in Austria for about 11 years now - but still wasn't able to find good products for my hair. Now i've decided to go no-poo and am only waiting for my Deva products to arrive

What about you? Have you found something that suited your hairtype?

Liebe Grüße
B.

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