earthnuts

I've been trying different conditioners and I thought my findings might interest someone. Suave Naturals Coconut and Suave Naturals Strawberry conditioners make my hair significantly straighter. So I tried several other conditioners and narrowed the problem ingredient to Distearyldimonium Chloride. I know now to avoid Distearyldimonium Chloride if I want my hair at its curliest!

FYI, here are the surfactants used in Suave conditioners:

Cetrimonium Chloride & Distearyldimonium Chloride:
Suave Naturals Aloe & Waterlily
Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut
Suave Naturals Pomegranate Splash
Suave Naturals Wild Cherry Blossom
Suave Naturals Fresh Mountain Strawberry

Centrimonium Chloride & Distearyldimonium Chloride:
Suave Naturals Juicy Green Apple

Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine:
Suave Naturals Ocean Breeze
Suave Naturals Refreshing Waterfall Mist
Suave Naturals Mango Mandarin
Suave Naturals Everlasting Sunshine
Suave Naturals Soothing Lavender Lilac
Suave Naturals Sweet Pea & Violet

So if your hair hasn't liked Suave, you may have better luck using a different "flavor".

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AKA earthnut
2c/M/ii, healthy, random kinks, waist length, platinum black!
Wash routine: sometimes coconut oil treatment, CO wash with Suave, rinse, GVP Hair Reconstructor, rinse, LI Suave, plop, air-dry
Non-wash days: Smooth hair with water and Suave, sometimes olive oil to seal
Bad for me: Phenoxyethanol irritates scalp, Distearyldimonium Chloride & Quaternium-87 straighten hair
Holy Grail Conditioners, Suave Naturals with Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine!

Msbeautyboutin

Wow.
I was wondering why my curls were looser with the coconut suave than and the sweat pea or the ever lasting shine line.

Wow thank you for breaking it down.


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mycurlytresses

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. :-)

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shortdddork

So you think it's definitely the Distearyldimonium Chloride and not the Cetrimonium/Centrimonium Chloride that makes your hair straighter?

mycurlytresses

I switched conditioners for a week (was using Suave Naturals Coconut) and my curl pattern loosened. I returned to the Suave. :-)

*Garnier Pure Clean conditioner loosened my curl pattern. Suave tightened my curls back up. :-)

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Keihs

I too, noticed my hair had gotten straighter with Suave Sun-Ripened Strawberry, which has distearyldimonium chloride. So should I use the conditioners on the last list with the diethalamine (sp?)? Would that make my hair curlier or at least how it should be?

Goin'Grey

Earthnuts,
This is so interesting to me. I always knew the Juicy Green Apple left my hair the best and I knew the Coconut had protein, which I could use every once in a while.

I've tried to love some of the other flavors and just could not understand WHY I DIDN'T.
I was unable to breakdown the ingredients the way you did. You are a genius! Thank you so much for this post.

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3A, Protein Senitive, Low Porosity,
Med-Course
Wash: Suave Naturals Conds (excluding Coconut), CVSB
Rinse out/Leave In: GVP Cond. Balm, KCKT,
Style: Naturelle Gel(winter HG), KCCC (summer HG), Flaxseed gel
SOTC: JCNS
Love your hair: Love yourself!

greencup13

Dang. I didn't realize coconut had protein. I use it as a styler and that's probably why my hair has been dried a s straw like. Dang dang.

Now for a protein free one. Ugh.

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3A 3B mix
Very thick hair
Highlighted
Normal porosity
medium coarse texture
Co-wash- Yes to Cucumbers, Sauve Lavender Lilac, CJ curl assurance shampoo
Condition rinse out or LI-Yes to cucumbers, Yes to blueberries, GVPCB, CJ curl assurance conditioner
Deep condition- CJ curl rehab
Style- Sauve Everlasting Sun, KCKT, GVPCB
Misc- CJ Smoothing lotion, KCKT, DB Pumpkin seed, Repair me

greencup13

Okay Im a little confused now. I searched my tropical coconut for protein based on Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products and do not see any protein.

I then searched for the Cetrimonium Chloride & Distearyldimonium Chloride and its not in my ingredient list. Am I missing something?????

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3A 3B mix
Very thick hair
Highlighted
Normal porosity
medium coarse texture
Co-wash- Yes to Cucumbers, Sauve Lavender Lilac, CJ curl assurance shampoo
Condition rinse out or LI-Yes to cucumbers, Yes to blueberries, GVPCB, CJ curl assurance conditioner
Deep condition- CJ curl rehab
Style- Sauve Everlasting Sun, KCKT, GVPCB
Misc- CJ Smoothing lotion, KCKT, DB Pumpkin seed, Repair me

kurlygurly

Silk amino acids is the protein.

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kurlygurly

Btw, the tropical coconut contains potassium chloride, and none of the others.

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earthnuts

I tried other conditioners that had Cetrimonium/Centrimonium Chloride without the Distearyldimonium Chloride and they did not make my hair straighter. YMMV certainly, everyone's hair is different.

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AKA earthnut
2c/M/ii, healthy, random kinks, waist length, platinum black!
Wash routine: sometimes coconut oil treatment, CO wash with Suave, rinse, GVP Hair Reconstructor, rinse, LI Suave, plop, air-dry
Non-wash days: Smooth hair with water and Suave, sometimes olive oil to seal
Bad for me: Phenoxyethanol irritates scalp, Distearyldimonium Chloride & Quaternium-87 straighten hair
Holy Grail Conditioners, Suave Naturals with Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine!

NvmbrCurlss

I noticed this too! Where I live, the newer bottles (formulations) don't have any chlorides but potassium chloride. Only the small (older?) bottles have the chlorides mentioned above....


3B, Fine, Med D, Norm P&E
LowP: Kinky Curly CC (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut/VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT/ HETT(mixed w/ GSO or EVOO)

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3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


"To much is given, much is expected"

earthnuts

I looked at online ingredient lists. I didn't include Potassium Chloride because it's not a conditioning agent like the other chlorides and ALL the Suave Naturals have it. But the big bottle formulation must contain some kind of conditioning agent! All the ingredient lists online indicate that Coconut contains all 3 chlorides. Either the online list or the label must be wrong.

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AKA earthnut
2c/M/ii, healthy, random kinks, waist length, platinum black!
Wash routine: sometimes coconut oil treatment, CO wash with Suave, rinse, GVP Hair Reconstructor, rinse, LI Suave, plop, air-dry
Non-wash days: Smooth hair with water and Suave, sometimes olive oil to seal
Bad for me: Phenoxyethanol irritates scalp, Distearyldimonium Chloride & Quaternium-87 straighten hair
Holy Grail Conditioners, Suave Naturals with Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine!

NvmbrCurlss

I think the online lost includes a universal ingredients list. The bottles I find must be the variety in my region, that's the only solution I can think of, cuz ur right, the online lists, don't show the current formula I use?

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3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


"To much is given, much is expected"