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acurlygirl 09-27-2012 05:39 AM

Help! Can vinegar rinse be bad for your hair?
 
I've been doing CG for about 10 weeks. It was going pretty well at first.

I was only using Tressemme Naturals conditioner and Lilly of the Desert Aloe Vera Gelly and I would diffuse part way to dry.

It seemed like maybe it started not looking as good the past couple of weeks and when I ran out of conditioner I bought Loreal ever creme. Its ok...but it doesn't give my hair much slip.

At the same time, I also thought maybe I need to try a vinegar rinse for any build up. I only read good things about vinegar, but it seemed to leave my hair dry and crunchy like straw- especially a patch right on top that is super frizzy.

Things haven't gotten any better this week using the loreal. So last night I slept with olive oil on. I don't know if it did much. It just felt weighed down and pasty. Well, how was I going to get the oil out? I searched online and ALL I read about vinegar rinse was that it helped dry hair and created shiny beautiful curls, so I tried it again and followed up with a leave-in Suave Naturals Coconut.

We'll see how the curls look today, but they don't feel very soft at all :(

Please give me advice!

Is this ultra dryness from one vinegar rinse? Is this what it is like to be protein sensitive?

Thanks in advance!

morninglorie 09-27-2012 09:20 AM

I don't know how helpful I'll be here, because I'm new to this whole thing, but I just did a ACV rinse a few days ago and I don't think my hair is too dry (its not any drier than normal, at any rate, haha!). I'm wavy (2C), so my hair may be different than yours, but maybe I did something different that could help you?

You said you did a "vinegar" rinse--I just want to check and make sure you mean apple cider vinegar? I followed the recipe here but there's one on the livecurlylivefree.com website too. I didn't use the whole bottle of it, just enough to get my entire scalp wet.

The livecurlylivefree site has you leave it in, and the NC recipe says to rinse it out; I rinsed mine out and then went through my (new) routine: cleansed with a (cleansing) conditioner and then deep conditioned. I have no idea if that was the proper way to do things or not, but it seemed to work! I had horrible build up and it really did help.

I think they recommend only doing the rinse 1 or 2 times a month because it can be drying, so that might be part of the problem too--maybe the L'Oreal conditioner isn't moisturizing enough and the rinse dried you out some more. You might be better off switching back :)

Ml001 09-27-2012 09:44 AM

ACV is drying for some, yes. It is also what protein sensitivity looks like. And AVG acts like protein. Also, the suave coconut has protein. Tresseme does not, but I am not sure on the L'Oreal stuff. Honestly, I would probably start there - the protein issue. Do you know your hair's properties?

acurlygirl 09-29-2012 09:20 PM

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Thank you for your responses!

I have 3a/2c in the front/top and more 2b underneath. There is really fine and frizzy hair on top but most of it is a little thicker.

As far as porosity goes...
When I slide my fingers up a hair, it is not smooth.
When I tried the float test, it didn't sink.
So maybe it is medium porosity??

When I did the vinigar rinse, it was about 1/2 cup white vinegar to 2 cups water. I only used about 1/2 a cup on my hair.

I went back and used the last drop of my Tresemme Naturals and my hair felt MUCH happier. Unfortunately, the store is completely out of Tresemme Naturals. I got a bottle of Moisture Maniac. I hope it goes well, especially since it costs 8 times more than the other!

Ml001 09-29-2012 11:13 PM

A typical vinegar:water ratio would be about 2 tbsp vinegar to a cup of water. Yours was quite concentrated.

KellyB 10-04-2012 03:53 PM

I think it is APPLE CIDER VINEGAR, not just any white vinegar.

curlypearl 10-04-2012 04:13 PM

I can't use ACV. It makes my hair straw.

Keihs 10-21-2012 09:28 PM

Just wondering, but has anyone ever tried doing vinegar rinses only? I'm thinking about it and even tried it a couple of times and I like it. Is there any bad effects if I use vinegar (diluted, of course) as the main way to wash hair WITHOUT baking soda (maybe once in a while if needed)? I don't have a problem with the smell and even made some infused ones. Yum. And the smell disappears when it dries anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it stayed. The infused ones actually smell good. Not like vinegar at all. I do CO washes too, sometimes, but maybe not as much or at all if I really like the vinegar rinses. The vinegar rinses hasn't made my hair dry or anything. Greasy once too, but probably because I used too much. If anything, I like the effect it has in my hair: curlier, shinier, and smoother. TIA.

kurlygurly 10-30-2012 02:11 AM

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I've always felt like vinegar would be quite harsh on the hair. And after cleaning calcium build up and hard water stains out of my tea kettle by using 50% vinegar and 50% water I DEFINITELY will NOT put it in my hair. Look at the effect vinegar had on my kettle. Attachment 26602Attachment 26603
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Ml001 10-30-2012 04:08 AM

Exactly - it removed the build up. Although that was a strong concentration - much higher than what it typically would be for a hair solution.

As far as using it all of the time and as the cleanser - I'm not sure about how the acidity of it might mess with the ph balance of your scalp, if at all. That being said, I have read of people doing this very thing and they are quite happy with the results.

I use ACV on occasion but as a rinse after a bs wash. (And yes, white vinegar can be used instead, but the ACV has antibacterial and anti fungal properties I don't think the other type has.)

kurlygurly 10-30-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ml001 (Post 2061096)
Exactly - it removed the build up. Although that was a strong concentration - much higher than what it typically would be for a hair solution.

As far as using it all of the time and as the cleanser - I'm not sure about how the acidity of it might mess with the ph balance of your scalp, if at all. That being said, I have read of people doing this very thing and they are quite happy with the results.

I use ACV on occasion but as a rinse after a bs wash. (And yes, white vinegar can be used instead, but the ACV has antibacterial and anti fungal properties I don't think the other type has.)

Oh, apple cigar vinegar....right. Yeah, I used plain white vinegar. So what's the concentration (parts per vinegar) that's recommended or do you pour it on soaking wet hair and then rinse rather quickly?

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Ml001 10-30-2012 09:48 AM

It's generally a tablespoon of vinegar (people often adjust that up or down a little) in a cup of water. I use a big mason jar so I do a little more water and vinegar - I soak my ends in it for a minute then just pour over my hair and rinse it out.

kurlygurly 10-30-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ml001 (Post 2061206)
It's generally a tablespoon of vinegar (people often adjust that up or down a little) in a cup of water. I use a big mason jar so I do a little more water and vinegar - I soak my ends in it for a minute then just pour over my hair and rinse it out.

Ok, thanks.

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Geek_Chic 10-31-2012 12:18 PM

Someone here mentioned that using 1tsp ACV per cup of water makes the pH of the solution match the natural pH of hair. So, at that concentration, it could be safely used every wash, since it would normalize the hair's pH. I prefer the results I get from using 1 Tbsp per cup of water in my once a week ACV rinse though. I cowash, rinse, apply ACV rinse (and leave it in), apply my RO, then rinse and proceed normally with the rest of my routine.

Ml001 10-31-2012 04:01 PM

^thats good info - thanks! :)

bringingcurliesback? 10-31-2012 09:02 PM

no it is not at all! i used to co wash and i have been washing my hair with baking soda followed by vinegar occasionally. it works great and after a while your hair will regulate itself. just make sure you dilute them with water. i use one tbsp of apple cider vinegar diluted in eight ounces of water. you may need more or less depending on your hair type. if your feels dry stop using baking soda, and if need apply a few drops of a natural oil to your ends and that's that.

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Keihs 12-05-2012 05:36 PM

I use apple cider vinegar and white vinegar and they both seem fine to me. I usually dilute it from a tablespoon to a cup of water but no less than that. Some times if I'm lazy, I just fill up a bottle with water and add a tablespoon. I never noticed any dryness, but soft, smooth clean feeling hair, though once it actually seemed oily when I used too much vinegar.


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