Telogen Effluvium and hair loss

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I am not going to lie, i am scared of co-washing now lol. I am going to make sure I take particular attention to how my hair is with co-washing!
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Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
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I had indeed been using only one product to co-wash the whole time. It could very well be a sensitivity to one ingredient. The thing is my scalp was never sensitive, sore, red, itchy or anything unpleasant the whole time I was cowashing. My scalp was quite lovely in fact! This leads me to believe that it may not have been an allergy or sensitivity... as it probably would have lead to other symptoms as well. That's why I still think the over-conditioned follicle hypothesis is the most plausible explanation.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
Overconditioned follicles sounds like pseudoscience to me - if that were the case people who uses a rich moisturiser (face or body) would be reporting hair loss in their droves and that is not the case.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Your analogy is illogical. They're not reporting hair loss in droves because they're washing their skin with soap or bodywash/facewash and THEN adding moisturizer. I haven't heard of anyone try to wash their skin with a moisturizer for 4 months while vigorously massaging and pulling on their body hair by detangling. Lol! I'm pretty sure I would find my body hair thinning as well if I did that.

Futhermore I find your post unnecessarily condescending. This should be obvious but many aspects of CG are pseudo-scientific. "Overconditioned hair." Help, I think I'm "protein-sensitive." It's not like we all have some definitive way of measuring these things... these are all subjective qualifiers. They help us understand and narrow down what may be going on with our hair. All evidence of cowashing efficacy is anecdotal anyway, which is fine but let's be honest with what it is.

If you can point me to any studies published in peer-reviewed medical/scientific journals that test co-washing efficacy and safety on a large random sample I would be happy to read.

I realize "overconditioned follicle" is not a medical term. For me I used it as shorthand for the point that I think my hair loss is mechanical, and has to do with conditioning (hence softening) the follicle and then pulling it out during the massages/detangling session.

Furthermore I never once said my hair loss could absolutely not come from a specific ingredient allergy or sensitivity, nor a sudden simultaneous onset of a medical condition that also suddenly simultaneously went away when I stopped cowashing. Hey, anything is possible. I'm not being facetious here, I will see my MD and possibly a derm as well about this problem out other variables.


I realize saying anything negative about co-washing on this board is not making me the most well-liked member. Clearly co-washing has its loyal defendants, which is fine. But please understand that I'm not posting all this to be provocative nor to be contrarian. This is my experience. I really wish I could co-wash because my scalp and hair were nice but it had this very negative effect.

Also, other members on the board have spoken up saying they've also experienced hair loss through co-washing. Please respect that our hair/scalp is different than yours and what works for many just isn't working for us and that's okay.
The long and the short of this is if it works for you DO IT. If it doesn't DON'T. That is all. The end. I can't cowash exclusively. I can do it for a bit, then I have to shampoo.

I don't care who says what.. I know what works. And no matter what hype people tell me.. I am SO immune.

Thinning hair is NOT the business.
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I had indeed been using only one product to co-wash the whole time. It could very well be a sensitivity to one ingredient. The thing is my scalp was never sensitive, sore, red, itchy or anything unpleasant the whole time I was cowashing. My scalp was quite lovely in fact! This leads me to believe that it may not have been an allergy or sensitivity... as it probably would have lead to other symptoms as well. That's why I still think the over-conditioned follicle hypothesis is the most plausible explanation.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
Overconditioned follicles sounds like pseudoscience to me - if that were the case people who uses a rich moisturiser (face or body) would be reporting hair loss in their droves and that is not the case.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Your analogy is illogical. They're not reporting hair loss in droves because they're washing their skin with soap or bodywash/facewash and THEN adding moisturizer. I haven't heard of anyone try to wash their skin with a moisturizer for 4 months while vigorously massaging and pulling on their body hair by detangling. Lol! I'm pretty sure I would find my body hair thinning as well if I did that.

Futhermore I find your post unnecessarily condescending. This should be obvious but many aspects of CG are pseudo-scientific. "Overconditioned hair." Help, I think I'm "protein-sensitive." It's not like we all have some definitive way of measuring these things... these are all subjective qualifiers. They help us understand and narrow down what may be going on with our hair. All evidence of cowashing efficacy is anecdotal anyway, which is fine but let's be honest with what it is.

If you can point me to any studies published in peer-reviewed medical/scientific journals that test co-washing efficacy and safety on a large random sample I would be happy to read.

I realize "overconditioned follicle" is not a medical term. For me I used it as shorthand for the point that I think my hair loss is mechanical, and has to do with conditioning (hence softening) the follicle and then pulling it out during the massages/detangling session.

Furthermore I never once said my hair loss could absolutely not come from a specific ingredient allergy or sensitivity, nor a sudden simultaneous onset of a medical condition that also suddenly simultaneously went away when I stopped cowashing. Hey, anything is possible. I'm not being facetious here, I will see my MD and possibly a derm as well about this problem out other variables.


I realize saying anything negative about co-washing on this board is not making me the most well-liked member. Clearly co-washing has its loyal defendants, which is fine. But please understand that I'm not posting all this to be provocative nor to be contrarian. This is my experience. I really wish I could co-wash because my scalp and hair were nice but it had this very negative effect.

Also, other members on the board have spoken up saying they've also experienced hair loss through co-washing. Please respect that our hair/scalp is different than yours and what works for many just isn't working for us and that's okay.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
+1. You beat me to this. If everyone's hair and scalp responded exactly the same way to exactly the same products and techniques, I think CurlMart might go out of business. When I first started here, there was a member whose curls I absolutely envied. When I read her blog the first thing she said was that she tried the Curly Girl method and it didn't work for her, so she doesn't follow it. That doesn't mean that it doesn't work for other people, just that it didn't work for her. This is no different, and while I never had this issue when co-washing, I appreciate the OP stepping up and saying something.
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Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
When I first started co-washing, I thought initially that my hair was thinning. But for me, it was the result of clumping and the scalp showing a bit between the individual clumps. I went as far as counting the hair in the drain (eeew, gross I know!) to determine if I was shedding more than what is considered normal.

I agree with a lot of the other posters on this thread that you have to do what is good for YOU.

I realize what works for me may not work for other curlies and vice versa. Personally, I rotate co-washing with a low-poo or cleansing condish and that works well for me.
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3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG




Last edited by Julesonline; 05-24-2013 at 05:23 PM.
Wanted to take the time to thank Pomegranatecurl for bringing up this topic in the first place. It led me to do a one week experiment in which I low-poo'd straight. I found from my utterly subjective experience (and that's any of us curly girls can ever do--evaluate things subjectively) that even with a super gentle low poo, I do better with mostly co-washing/the occasional low poo. (I guess you can call it the Jules-CG-method. Go Jules!) However, it was really informative and helpful for P.C. to share her observations, and seeing as how she's lost a lot of density over the past four months and is frightened, I think it's great that she came on the forum to try to spare anybody else that particular brand of misfortune. It's opened my eyes a little, too. I noticed yesterday while low pooing that I tend to shed more hair on my left side so I'll be sure to keep an eye on that. And while I already massaged my scalp quite gently, but I'm going to heed those warnings about massaging too vigorously all the more so and be on the lookout!
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3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Dusa!! buwahahaha you had me laughing! I just do what feels right for the hair that day. I am on 3rd day hair and plan on using cleansing condish tomorrow in the AM.
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JulesOnline

3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



Your analogy is illogical. They're not reporting hair loss in droves because they're washing their skin with soap or bodywash/facewash and THEN adding moisturizer. I haven't heard of anyone try to wash their skin with a moisturizer for 4 months while vigorously massaging and pulling on their body hair by detangling. Lol! I'm pretty sure I would find my body hair thinning as well if I did that.

Futhermore I find your post unnecessarily condescending. This should be obvious but many aspects of CG are pseudo-scientific. "Overconditioned hair." Help, I think I'm "protein-sensitive." It's not like we all have some definitive way of measuring these things... these are all subjective qualifiers. They help us understand and narrow down what may be going on with our hair. All evidence of cowashing efficacy is anecdotal anyway, which is fine but let's be honest with what it is.

If you can point me to any studies published in peer-reviewed medical/scientific journals that test co-washing efficacy and safety on a large random sample I would be happy to read.

I realize "overconditioned follicle" is not a medical term. For me I used it as shorthand for the point that I think my hair loss is mechanical, and has to do with conditioning (hence softening) the follicle and then pulling it out during the massages/detangling session.

Furthermore I never once said my hair loss could absolutely not come from a specific ingredient allergy or sensitivity, nor a sudden simultaneous onset of a medical condition that also suddenly simultaneously went away when I stopped cowashing. Hey, anything is possible. I'm not being facetious here, I will see my MD and possibly a derm as well about this problem out other variables.

I realize saying anything negative about co-washing on this board is not making me the most well-liked member. Clearly co-washing has its loyal defendants, which is fine. But please understand that I'm not posting all this to be provocative nor to be contrarian. This is my experience. I really wish I could co-wash because my scalp and hair were nice but it had this very negative effect.

Also, other members on the board have spoken up saying they've also experienced hair loss through co-washing. Please respect that our hair/scalp is different than yours and what works for many just isn't working for us and that's okay.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
If you were 'pulling' on your hair then again it's your technique that is at fault not co-washing itself. Haircare 'experts' advise us to be gentle with our hair especially when detangling or when hair is wet, curls or not co-washing or not. There is a huge difference between the amount of gliding massage required to cleanse and vigorous massage or 'pulling' (your words).

I have not questioned your experience in fact I postulated there may be underlying inflammation, I have questioned your unscientific assessment of the root cause as being overly moisturising the follicles. I am hardly a blinkered advocate of co-washing for all, I have said in a number of threads that it doesn't suit those with all dermatological issues or with fine/ thin hair. What on earth a science-based discussion has to do with how 'well liked' you are I have no idea, what a strange comment.

It's not illogical, you being ignorant of it doesn't mean it is not commonplace. Using foaming surfactant shower gels or traditional bar soap and foaming face washes is FAR from universal, spend some time working in pharmacy or dermatology or on skincare forums. There are studies demonstrating the negative effect of these on skin and/ or hair, especially those with pre-existing damage - be that genetic or due to chemical processes (hair).

Plenty cleanse their skin with oils sometimes using lengthy massage and enthusiastic rubbing (see Oil Cleansing Method), which interestingly CAN cause problems with irritation and inflammation in the skin but not, AFAIK, hair loss. Plenty more use cleansing lotions or traditional cold cream on their face twice daily with very similar formulations to hair conditioner, others wash their entire body with products like aqueous cream or products like WEN body cleansing creme. Some who are seeking skin lightening undertake lengthy and complex daily 'exfoliating' routines with a series of chemical laden creams, professional athletes having regular deep tissue massages. THEN on top many of these groups pile on another layer of moisturiser or body lotion containing yet more fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants.

I don't believe true 'overconditioning' of hair is pseudoscience, it refers to keeping the hair wetted for long periods which can partially unravel the structural proteins and loosen the bonds making hair feel soft and mushy, weakening the curl pattern. Some like that effect, for example ladies who 'baggy' overnight. The opposite effect is seen with magnesium sulphate which reduces the water in the core of the hair, tightens the bonds and curl patten.

The possible benefits of CO-washing for dead hair is a different animal to the benefits or detriment for living skin (esp. follicles) which is what we are discussing in this thread. Certain groups of surfactants, especially from the anionic family, are proven to damage skin and hair: co-washing aims not so much to directly improve the health of hair (since unlike skin it is dead) but to maintain more of its natural protective and strengthening structure for longer after it comes out of the follicle. To see how that works you don't necessarily need one study you bring together the results of many, for example the effect of different pH on the position of the cuticle, which harsh ingredients can dissolve or attract structural lipids like 18-MEA and ceramides, the effects of cationics and fatty alcohols on combing friction.

The effect of cream or lotion products containing a wide variety of ingredients that you will also see in hair conditioners has been studied extensively for both efficacy AND safety on the skin. As a result some are known allergens particularly proteins, fragrances and preservatives. Others can alter the skin's permeability with acute or chronic use, strengthening or weakening it. See the Journal of Cosmetic Science, papers on corneobiology or corneotherapy especially those by the late Albert Kligman and his associates, any of the reputable peer reviewed dermatology journals.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 05-25-2013 at 06:05 AM.
Wanted to take the time to thank Pomegranatecurl for bringing up this topic in the first place. It led me to do a one week experiment in which I low-poo'd straight. I found from my utterly subjective experience (and that's any of us curly girls can ever do--evaluate things subjectively) that even with a super gentle low poo, I do better with mostly co-washing/the occasional low poo. (I guess you can call it the Jules-CG-method. Go Jules!) However, it was really informative and helpful for P.C. to share her observations, and seeing as how she's lost a lot of density over the past four months and is frightened, I think it's great that she came on the forum to try to spare anybody else that particular brand of misfortune. It's opened my eyes a little, too. I noticed yesterday while low pooing that I tend to shed more hair on my left side so I'll be sure to keep an eye on that. And while I already massaged my scalp quite gently, but I'm going to heed those warnings about massaging too vigorously all the more so and be on the lookout!
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Thanks Dusa! I really appreciate the support. Really this is the only place I can come for true support. If I go to other people who have never heard of the CG method before and I tell them I've been co-washing and then my hair thinned.... they'll just look at me like I'm insane and say something like "of course your hair fell out what on earth would make you wash your hair with conditioner!!!!????" And I'm like... um the people on the internet? LOL.

Massaging gently... yesss I could not recommend this enough! For the co-washers, there is a difference between thorough and vigorous. Make sure you're massaging thoroughly but not so hard you're yanking your hair out! Take your time in the shower if you need to.

Also the detangling... my word of advice is to be gentle and definitely use a conditioner w/ good slip. There's lots of good conditioners out there that are moisturizing but don't necessarily give good slip. For example, the Nature's Gate Jojoba condish (which I love) has moisture but little slip, and hence is not good for detangling. If an RO that you love doesn't have the slip, you can always use a detangler in the shower as well, like KCKT. I've used it before my RO as well as after. Not saying that having a separate detangler and RO is the ideal situation for everyone, but it is an option. Just make sure whatever you are using to detangle whether it is your RO, your LI, your dentangler/LI, whatever, make sure it has good slip!
Firefox, you gave a lengthy response about things we weren't really talking about.

At the end of the day I don't think my hair/scalp can handle co-washing, even if I were to be the most gentle. Call me weak-ass follicles girl. That's fine.

Low-pooing has worked well in the past and is working even better now since I've been on this board and I've started PTs and DTs and using leave-ins. I don't believe my hair really needs the extra moisture from co-washing. Since the shedding as well as the thinning has decreased and stabilized since I've stopped co-washing, I'm going to stick to my low-poo regimen.

I hope that's ok with you.
Amen to the slip! I sort of mix my conditioners. I have TTT for uber slip, and Tresemme Naturals has decent slip as well + moisture and then I throw in some Shea Moisture for extra moisture and nutrients. I also condition in two sessions. I let it sit for a good long while. Detangle a teensy bit when rinsing. Then typically add a bunch of TN back in to my soaked and rinsed hair. At that point my hair is super slippy so it's detangle session #2. Anybody else find the longer they wear their hair curly the more tangled their hair gets? I suppose it's only natural. I used to comb my hair once a day now it's 2-3x a week. Also. . . don't judge me people, but I still haven't tried KCKT as a RO/detangler. I just love it so much as a leave in. Also, PC, have you tried boiling marshmallow root by itself though and using the serum for detangling? It is BOSS man. Absolutely boss. It cuts through those curls like nothing else.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Honestly like I posted in the main threat in this. My hair over the past 3 years has been super thin. I'm losing my curl. I've been scrubbing my scalp pretty hard when I cowashed. Cowashing made my hair limp and dry and very weak (even with protein treatments) over the past year. My hair has also been losing its curl. I have straight roots now and more like a wave lose curl at the ends. Before I had very course super curly hair and alot of bumps and waves at the roots, which made straightening a pain back when i did it. I don't know if cowashing made my hair lose its curl and made it thinner if it is thinner??? But I am however doing a new study on my own hair. I stopped cowashing for a week and just low pooed/gentle shampooed and so far my hair seems happier and more full. Not dry at all. I never saw shedding when I cowashed and I dont see it that much when I shampoo. However my scalp has been getting super dry cos I've been shampooing every day. so Im gonna skip a wash and see if my hair like that. Its probably gonna take a month for me to see if my hair gets like it use to but hey my hair might have changed from getting older or taking meds. I am not complaining though. I do like my hair with less curl and a little thinner But I know that I am not like going bald. I just feel like cowashing was training my hair to be weighed down by all this condish so we will see if shampooing it more helps.

I do however would go see a docter if you feel like you're loosing more hair if it hasnt stopped but hey if it stopped when you stopped cowashing then that must be it. maybe take some hair vitamins to help it get healthy again.

good luck!
Amen to the slip! I sort of mix my conditioners. I have TTT for uber slip, and Tresemme Naturals has decent slip as well + moisture and then I throw in some Shea Moisture for extra moisture and nutrients. I also condition in two sessions. I let it sit for a good long while. Detangle a teensy bit when rinsing. Then typically add a bunch of TN back in to my soaked and rinsed hair. At that point my hair is super slippy so it's detangle session #2. Anybody else find the longer they wear their hair curly the more tangled their hair gets? I suppose it's only natural. I used to comb my hair once a day now it's 2-3x a week. Also. . . don't judge me people, but I still haven't tried KCKT as a RO/detangler. I just love it so much as a leave in. Also, PC, have you tried boiling marshmallow root by itself though and using the serum for detangling? It is BOSS man. Absolutely boss. It cuts through those curls like nothing else.
Originally Posted by dusalocks

girlllllll KCKT is the bombbbb!
where do you get the marshmallow root and how do you make this serum? cos if its cheaper then buying KCKT then this would be great.
Amen to the slip! I sort of mix my conditioners. I have TTT for uber slip, and Tresemme Naturals has decent slip as well + moisture and then I throw in some Shea Moisture for extra moisture and nutrients. I also condition in two sessions. I let it sit for a good long while. Detangle a teensy bit when rinsing. Then typically add a bunch of TN back in to my soaked and rinsed hair. At that point my hair is super slippy so it's detangle session #2. Anybody else find the longer they wear their hair curly the more tangled their hair gets? I suppose it's only natural. I used to comb my hair once a day now it's 2-3x a week. Also. . . don't judge me people, but I still haven't tried KCKT as a RO/detangler. I just love it so much as a leave in. Also, PC, have you tried boiling marshmallow root by itself though and using the serum for detangling? It is BOSS man. Absolutely boss. It cuts through those curls like nothing else.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Dusa lol you have to try it as a detangler! I actually feel its main purpose is a detangler.

I haven't tried boiling marshmallow root (3rd ingredient in kckt!) as I've been living in Asia and I'm not sure where I would get that. When I got back state-side I'll be sure to try it including some more fsg recipes!

Yes my hair has gotten more tangly when longer and wavier. It's super tangly when I do the scrunching business and if it's more moisturized.
I had cleansed my hair with a lowpoo once a week for 3 years. Last month, I experimented with cowashing every day for a week.

I have type 4 hair and it's past shoulder length. I was afraid that I would have tangles and knots galore but what pushed me to try is the fact that my scalp cannot handle once a week cleansing. I workout a minimum of 5 days a week and sweat heavily in my head and everywhere else so I decided to stop being in denial about my once-a-week cleansing session being enough for my scalp and to do something about it.

What I found was my hair loved the everyday exposure to water and was very moisturized and soft. However, my scalp was itchy. This could have been due to the conditioner not doing the job with getting the scalp clean or my scalp not liking conditioner on it. I tend to lean towards the latter since I have sensitive skin in general and my scalp has never been an exception.

Also, I did shed slightly more hair than I did when I was cleansing once a week. It was only a slight difference though and I didn't get alarmed about it.

The biggest surprise though was the knots and tangles that I thought I was going to contend with were pretty much nonexistent with the everyday cowashing. In fact, my usual practice of cleansing and protective styling for the week (i.e. bun, twists) yielded more knots and tangles than the everyday cowashing!

Yet and still, my problem wasn't solved because my scalp was still not happy.

So last week I experimented with a modified cowash midweek. I cleansed with a lowpoo on Saturday then on Wednesday morning I slathered my length in my RO conditioner (taking care to keep the conditioner away from my scalp) and applied my lowpoo to my scalp scrubbing gently. My scalp was singing when I got done and the shedding of hair was minimal! I think (for now), I've found what works.

1. My scalp needs attention more than once a week but not necessarily every day.
2. A midweek cleansing gives my scalp what it needs without overmanipulating my hair (as evidenced by the minimal shedding and breakage of hairs).
3. Cowashing works for me if it's done in a way where the conditioner is not applied directly to my scalp.

The thing is, though the shedding of hair was only slightly higher than when I lowpoo'd once a week, had I continued to cowash, who knows how this would have added up over time? My hair grows pretty slow as it is but I've always had a nice amount of density. I'd hate to lose a positive asset that my hair has (high density) and have the growth be stunted even more. You know?

That's why this thread caught my eye and was interesting to me. It's taught me that however slight, any difference in the way our hair acts to a product or technique needs to be noted and watched carefully. Also, I've always had the mindset to experiment and see what works for MY hair no matter how many people say something particular works for their hair. But this thread just solidifies for me that I'm on the right track with this line of thinking.

Thanks Pomegranate Curl for sharing your experiences.
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Okay, ladies, you've sold me. I WILL try it as a detangler. Just the once. But it's so pricey I think I might still have to keep it as a leave in. $12 plus tax for 8 ounces. . . I fear I can't afford to get addicted to the stuff. Although maybe it's so potent I wouldn't need sooo much. I don't know. . . I can, however, afford to be addicted to marshmallow root!

I got my marshmallow root from iherb and I think they might ship to Asia. . . Just a thought. To make a detangling serum/syrup (sort of thick) I boil a tbsp of marshmallow root with one cup of water, wait until it releases the mucilage (it will turn yellow), then I strain and get in the shower, use that on my already wet conditioned and rinsed hair or I can add the syrup to some conditioner in a bowl. It makes detangling a breeze. I've used the syrup on days when I save my hair rinse/detangling session for the fourth day. Please note I use it the same day. I do not keep it in the fridge as there is nothing in the plain syrup to preserve it.

Starwest Botanicals, Marshmallow Root, Organic, 1 lb - iHerb.com
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Just an update. I need something on my scalp. this past week i shampooed every day then my scalp got super dry and flaky. So I skipped two days of any wash and just setting my hair and my scalp got worse. My scalp was on fire lastnight. Today I washed im fine but tmrw Im starting my cowashes again.

I guess this mean my hair is just hanging over the years.

I noticed less shedding when I cowashed and alot more when I shampooed. God luck everyone
Well this is definitely something to be aware of if people are experiencing issues. I co wash but I only actually scrub my scalp when I need to. Usually I have to detangle frequently to get rid of the loose hair so I will wet my hair and apply conditioner from my ears down but not really on my scalp. Then I just detangle with loads of conditioner and a wide tooth comb and let the water rinse through my scalp and that's it. I haven't noticed any negative side effects when I do co wash except that my hair feels great.


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This is very intriguing. My hair has been thinning...and feels finer. Especially in the part where I probably cowash the most vigorously. The top front which is the part that used to show grease the most. Also when I put my hands under my hair and feel my scalp I can feel little bristles...like I used to be able to feel back when I relaxed. What I assumed where all broken off hairs from damage...or new growth. I think I may lay off cowashing for a bit...and when I do be a lot more gentle. We'll see if that helps
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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
I've gone back to using shampoo. I noticed that whenever I would cowash, I'd shed so much. Now, the right side of my hair is thinner than the left.
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My hair has a mix of low/med/high porosity, and it's medium textured (some are still fine, though!)

CG since Sept. 2011
Cowash: Vo5/Suave Naturals/Tresemme Naturals*
RO/LI: GVPCB*, Tresemme Naturals*
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Moisture Retention
Stylers: KCKT*, Coconut Oil, Olive Oil, Grapeseed Oil, Honey*

* represents my HGs!!! Finally!!!

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