Telogen Effluvium and hair loss

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The first time I tried co washing I noticed a lot of fall out in the shower. At first I though it was just trapped hair since my hair had been up. But after about a week of cowashing I realized a lot of hair was coming out each time. I don't see any balding on my head but my pony tail is thinner.I never scrub hard because I have long nails, so I do more of a gentle massage instead. I quit co washing and just use regular shampoo about every three days (sometimes four if I am lucky), and now I don't notice the fall out as much anymore. I have fine hair and and oily scalp so shampooing is necessary for me.
2a/2b, Medium Porosity, Medium Density, Lower Back Length, Growing out highlights.
Shampoo: SMMR Conditioner: SMMR or Organix Keratin Oil Leave In: Organix Shea Butter DC: Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Jojoba oil mixed all together with v05 conditioner.
“Imperfection is beauty.”
― Marilyn Monroe
Hhhmm? I wonder what that is. I hope I thicken up since I've laid off of that
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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
So I have magnesium oil on the way. How would u suggest I use it? I have scalp issues...the broken hair. This weird nail fungus thingy. I have terrible arthritis. Do I just rub it on straight to the problem areas? Measure a certain amount? Put in a spray with water? Can I use it on my hair and scalp?
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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
Have u seen magnesium chelate in powdered form? Any benefit in using that instead of a pill?
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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
That sounds like systemic inflammation which can coexist with various mental health issues. Again plenty of oily fish, very low glycemic index carbs, no sugar or caffeine or processed wheat, non starchy vegetables and low sugar fruits, mineral rich foods like beans lentils nuts and seeds .... Standard anti inflammatory/ anti stress diet.

No pill or powder substitutes for a balanced and varied wholefood diet, they are called supplements for a reason.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Hey everyone... this was my original thread.

So I recently on a whim tried to cowash again and I swear again I just shed more in the shower than I do from shampoos. It's really weird. I don't think it's now related to the TE bc that should be over by now... anyway I think the shedding has stabilized. Who knows.

I am very very tempted though to buy CJ Daily Fix (a proper cleansing condish) and try it again, low-pooing weekly. The reason I'm so interested is because I am SD-flare-up prone and I swear when I was cowashing my scalp was so calm. Then when I started low-pooing it started up again. I'm really frustrated. I feel like I've tried so many shampoos but I just can't seem to find one that is working. So I'm curious to try CJDF and see what happens, and if I start shedding like crazy again just give up on the concept entirely.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I still can do the cowashing occasionally.....I've just been way less frequent and scrubbing less vigorously. Nowhere near as much as I was though. It seems to be best for me
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http://public.fotki.com/curlygirl1978/

Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
Wavy, have u tried diluting sulphate shampoo?
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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
Wavy, have u tried diluting sulphate shampoo?
Originally Posted by GoddessCurls
No I haven't. I definitely don't want to go back to sulfates. I will occasionally use Selsun Blue for my SD which has sulfates but I don't want to use sulfates on the regular. They definitely won't help my situation. For me it's just a matter of getting my SD under control and hopefully figuring out my allergies.

I just wish Selsun Blue would make a silicone-free, medicated low-poo. Same w/ Head & Shoulders.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Wavy, have u tried diluting sulphate shampoo?
Originally Posted by GoddessCurls
No I haven't. I definitely don't want to go back to sulfates. I will occasionally use Selsun Blue for my SD which has sulfates but I don't want to use sulfates on the regular. They definitely won't help my situation. For me it's just a matter of getting my SD under control and hopefully figuring out my allergies.

I just wish Selsun Blue would make a silicone-free, medicated low-poo. Same w/ Head & Shoulders.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
This blog post is worth reading before you completely decide against diluting a sulfate shampoo, Wavy:
Science-y Hair Blog: How to Tame a Strong Shampoo
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CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Wavy, have u tried diluting sulphate shampoo?
Originally Posted by GoddessCurls
No I haven't. I definitely don't want to go back to sulfates. I will occasionally use Selsun Blue for my SD which has sulfates but I don't want to use sulfates on the regular. They definitely won't help my situation. For me it's just a matter of getting my SD under control and hopefully figuring out my allergies.

I just wish Selsun Blue would make a silicone-free, medicated low-poo. Same w/ Head & Shoulders.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
This blog post is worth reading before you completely decide against diluting a sulfate shampoo, Wavy:
Science-y Hair Blog: How to Tame a Strong Shampoo
Originally Posted by Geek_Chic
I hear that. But... I'd have to first find a sulfate poo that doesn't upset my scalp... which may be the same thing as finding a low-poo that doesn't upset my scalp. I actually found this new one that I really like... but I'm trying not to jinx it. Also there's Free & Clear (a drugstore low-poo) that's supposed to be hypoallergenic. I tried it once and liked it but then gave it to my mom who also suffers from allergies... but I'm going to buy another bottle and give it another try.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
This right here is why I am not a "product junkie".

I have noticed that since "going natural" has become popular there has been a overload of new products, and product line from well known companies. I refuse to be a "guinea pig" for these companies and end up losing my hair in the process.

I only use natural products that have been around for yearS, and avoid like the plague new products/product lines, especially those I have never heard of before.

Also, one should thoroughly massage their scalp before and during co-washing. I love Shea Moisture Purification Masque as a scalp cleanser before I co-wash, and still massage my scalp and rub my hair together when I co-wash.

It's been good so far and I started in December 2012.

Also, if a person is "resistant" to co-washing, [mindset], isn't open to something new/different, and thinks it is not as good as shampooing...sometimes that will attribute to it not working for them.

The title to this thread is misleading...and may even be scary to a newbie.

Blessings!
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My hair is "exotic, beautiful and free",,,yeah, that be ME!!!
3B/C - Easy to straighten, [no heat ever/no protect. styling].

Low Porosity/Medium Density
Mid Width/BSL-stretched/
BC - 12/2012

I am a "Co-Wash/Finger Comb Lady!

Co-Wash - Pantene Naturals Co-Wash
Scalp Cleanser - SM ABS Purification Hair Masque
Leave In - SM CH Curl/Shine Conditioner
Hydration - SM CH Curl Smoothie
Styler - SM CH Curl & Style Milk
Deep Conditioner - LS Organic Cholesterol

I noticed when I went CG that I would shed somewhat more while co-washing so I simply switched to organic, sulphate free shampoos and protected my ends with conditioner or coconut oil while washing. Has worked really well and no issues with dryness. I also wash my hair quite often because I workout a lot.

I think it's extremely important to aknowledge that all curls and waves are different, as well as scalps. What works for one does not work for all. So just be mindful of what new regimes do to your hair and adjust accordingly.
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Personally, I wish people would stop posting dramatic thread titles regarding their negative co-wash experiences.

This is a "natural hair" site and topics that attempt to discourage people from being natural should not be allowed on here.

I cannot image "co-washing" being worst for any scalp condition than the detergent that is in shampoo. If one does not massage their scalp, and cleanse properly their follicles will become clogged and damage will occur. This is true no matter what one puts on their hair.

I am not a big fan of doctors since they make money off of my being sick, not getting healed, [also I have had three incidents of doctors lying to me]. Since then, I deal with a more holistic approach when I have to deal with doctors.

Anyone that has any type of challenges with an element of the natural hair process that causes you to lose hair...please find a dermatologist that comes from a holistic approach.

Blessings!
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My hair is "exotic, beautiful and free",,,yeah, that be ME!!!
3B/C - Easy to straighten, [no heat ever/no protect. styling].

Low Porosity/Medium Density
Mid Width/BSL-stretched/
BC - 12/2012

I am a "Co-Wash/Finger Comb Lady!

Co-Wash - Pantene Naturals Co-Wash
Scalp Cleanser - SM ABS Purification Hair Masque
Leave In - SM CH Curl/Shine Conditioner
Hydration - SM CH Curl Smoothie
Styler - SM CH Curl & Style Milk
Deep Conditioner - LS Organic Cholesterol

Personally, I wish people would stop posting dramatic thread titles regarding their negative co-wash experiences.
Originally Posted by Lady_Creole
I'm not going to make a big deal about this, but honestly this is a forum. People can post whatever they want, as long as it is truthful to their experience. If someone thinks a product or whatever is damaging their hair, skin, body then it's better that they post a "dramatic" thread title and we can have a discussion and they can update as they figure it out. That's better than staying quiet. Better a false alarm rather than no alarm in situations that may need it IMHO.

This was my original thread. I'm sorry if the title was too dramatic but if your hair was coming out in clumps like mine was you may find yourself wanting to warn others as well. I sincerely hope you will never understand how distressing it is to have your hair fall out like that.

AFAIK I can't change the title of the thread. If someone has any ideas on how to do this I am happy to oblige. I've definitely posted updates in bold at the top of the OP so if someone is alarmed by the title they can just click and read.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Personally, I wish people would stop posting dramatic thread titles regarding their negative co-wash experiences.
Originally Posted by Lady_Creole
People can post anything they want on here about their hair experiences. It's a message board.

This is a "natural hair" site and topics that attempt to discourage people from being natural should not be allowed on here.
This is a site about curly hair and its unique challenges. If someone is losing hair in clumps from cowashing, they should be able to post about here without getting any grief for doing so.



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2C/3A, fine, higher porosity.
I am sorry this happened to you as well. However, co-washing has allowed my hair to thrive. My hair actually looks denser. I hope you what works for you.
Originally Posted by juanab
Yeah, so does mine and I've been co washing for about six months. It's sad that some folks have had thinning hair from it.


I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier.
I wonder if water only is a better option. If THAT makes you shed overly much it seems like it would have to be the mechanics of the washing not the product. Anyhow, WO washers swear it clears up SD.
I don't know who the OP is because I have responses from several different people however I just want to say this...

An accurate title would be " I am having challenges with co-washing", not a dramatic statement as though co-washing is bad for everyone.

There are many newbies on here as well as those who are struggling in their "hair journey" and the last thing they need to see is "scare tactics".
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My hair is "exotic, beautiful and free",,,yeah, that be ME!!!
3B/C - Easy to straighten, [no heat ever/no protect. styling].

Low Porosity/Medium Density
Mid Width/BSL-stretched/
BC - 12/2012

I am a "Co-Wash/Finger Comb Lady!

Co-Wash - Pantene Naturals Co-Wash
Scalp Cleanser - SM ABS Purification Hair Masque
Leave In - SM CH Curl/Shine Conditioner
Hydration - SM CH Curl Smoothie
Styler - SM CH Curl & Style Milk
Deep Conditioner - LS Organic Cholesterol

I don't know who the OP is because I have responses from several different people however I just want to say this...

An accurate title would be " I am having challenges with co-washing", not a dramatic statement as though co-washing is bad for everyone.

There are many newbies on here as well as those who are struggling in their "hair journey" and the last thing they need to see is "scare tactics".
Originally Posted by Lady_Creole
Exactly. The thread title is misleading and most people while researching something, if they see one bad thing about it they'll immediately shy away from it. Co washing is beneficial to many & their hair has thrived on it including my own. Sorry I just hate sensationalism, to get people to read something, this is a hair forum if you're having problems with you hair you can ask advice without the dramatics and get responses.

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