Telogen Effluvium and hair loss

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I don't know who the OP is because I have responses from several different people however I just want to say this...

An accurate title would be " I am having challenges with co-washing", not a dramatic statement as though co-washing is bad for everyone.

There are many newbies on here as well as those who are struggling in their "hair journey" and the last thing they need to see is "scare tactics".
Originally Posted by Lady_Creole
Exactly. The thread title is misleading and most people while researching something, if they see one bad thing about it they'll immediately shy away from it. Co washing is beneficial to many & their hair has thrived on it including my own. Sorry I just hate sensationalism, to get people to read something, this is a hair forum if you're having problems with you hair you can ask advice without the dramatics and get responses.
Originally Posted by NayaMoore
Exactly!

I have been co-washing for 15 months, [since Dec 2012], and haven't had a problem with my scalp or the cleanliness of my hair. In fact, I didn't know my hair was this "good", so soft, silky with thick curls, [that now stretch to APL].

I always loved my hair but felt it was kind of thin with little body however it worked out because I wore it in a long "china cut". Now, running my fingers through my hair, it feels so "lush". I love it!

Why deny someone that experience, [or the possibility of it], by stating "Beware"!
My hair is "exotic, beautiful and free",,,yeah, that be ME!!!
3B/C - Easy to straighten, [no heat ever/no protect. styling].

Low Porosity/Medium Density
Mid Width/BSL-stretched/
BC - 12/2012

I am a "Co-Wash/Finger Comb Lady!

Scalp Cleanser - SM ABS Purification Hair Masque
Co-wash - Tresemme Naturals
Leave In - SM CH C&S Cond.
Hydration - SM CH Curl Smoothie
Styler - SM CH Curl & Style Milk
Deep Cond. - SM Manuka & Mafura DC


Last edited by Lady_Creole; 03-23-2014 at 06:04 PM.
Personally, I wish people would stop posting dramatic thread titles regarding their negative co-wash experiences.
Originally Posted by Lady_Creole
I'm not going to make a big deal about this, but honestly this is a forum. People can post whatever they want, as long as it is truthful to their experience. If someone thinks a product or whatever is damaging their hair, skin, body then it's better that they post a "dramatic" thread title and we can have a discussion and they can update as they figure it out. That's better than staying quiet. Better a false alarm rather than no alarm in situations that may need it IMHO.

This was my original thread. I'm sorry if the title was too dramatic but if your hair was coming out in clumps like mine was you may find yourself wanting to warn others as well. I sincerely hope you will never understand how distressing it is to have your hair fall out like that.

AFAIK I can't change the title of the thread. If someone has any ideas on how to do this I am happy to oblige. I've definitely posted updates in bold at the top of the OP so if someone is alarmed by the title they can just click and read.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
My sista in the natural community, "WavyDaze"...forgive me if I came across as having a lack of sympathy for your situation.

My disagreement is not with your coming to this board looking for help in your situation, in fact I believe I attempted to post a remedy initially.

Also, it was not my attempt to censor what you post about, I was just posting my disagreement with your taking your own personal experience, generalizing it, and labeling it with sensationalism. In my opinion, that is harmful to others who are new to this natural hair journey.

Blessings!

PS...have you tried a clarifying natural shampoo or to start with "Lo-Poo or No-Poo by Deva Curl" before co-washing? Maybe you need to cleanse your scalp from all the detergent build up from previous shampoo use. I started with Deva Curl no-Poo before I went to co-washing. Just a thought...
My hair is "exotic, beautiful and free",,,yeah, that be ME!!!
3B/C - Easy to straighten, [no heat ever/no protect. styling].

Low Porosity/Medium Density
Mid Width/BSL-stretched/
BC - 12/2012

I am a "Co-Wash/Finger Comb Lady!

Scalp Cleanser - SM ABS Purification Hair Masque
Co-wash - Tresemme Naturals
Leave In - SM CH C&S Cond.
Hydration - SM CH Curl Smoothie
Styler - SM CH Curl & Style Milk
Deep Cond. - SM Manuka & Mafura DC


Last edited by Lady_Creole; 03-23-2014 at 08:06 PM.
I really don't understand the need of people coming on this forum and making demeaning comments to the OPs.

Plus if you read the thread, she has scalp issues and can't use certain types of products in case anybody missed it.
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2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTCucs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
The OP is posting about her experience. That is nothing for anyone to get huffy about. It may not have happened to you....but it did to her. And she isn't alone.
I'm 54 and have been caring for my hair for many years. I have gone through stress, trauma, childbirth etc. Over the years I have been on and off medications for different heath issues. I have lived in places with well water and city water. Over the years I have used hundreds of different hair products...and colored and permed my hair.
The only dramatic change I saw in my hair volume (and texture of new hair growth) was after 2 attempts at following the CG method.
I have been to my doctor and 2 dermatologists and they can find no reason for my losing so much of my hair volume or the change of texture. I have numerous spots where you can see quite a bit of scalp...but no actual bald spots.
Is that absolute proof that the CG method caused it....no. But since neither my doctors nor I can come up with anything better, it is good enough for me.
I have slowed the hair loss but what I lost isn't growing back. Luckily for me I had lots of hair to begin with.
I choose to not dwell on it and focus on other things in my life.
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Since I see this complaint a lot I'm guessing that since you hardly have to even rub your scalp with sulfates since it's strong enough to just eat right through oil and build up and be rinsed out without much labor, this has to be a matter of friction where some people's hair just isn't strongly attached.
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Since I see this complaint a lot I'm guessing that since you hardly have to even rub your scalp with sulfates since it's strong enough to just eat right through oil and build up and be rinsed out without much labor, this has to be a matter of friction where some people's hair just isn't strongly attached.
Originally Posted by chupie
I have very fragile hair. Some of it is damage and some of it is just plain fragile. My hair just can't handle much manipulation. The last time I tried cowashing, my fingers were full of hair, and I was being as gentle as possible while still trying to get my hair clean. I don't manipulate my hair with shampoo, either. I massage it very quickly into my scalp and let the rinsing get the shampoo down the hair shaft. On the rare occasion that my hair needs deeper cleansing, I squeeze the soap down the hair shaft. If I do it any other way, I get breakage and fallout.
2C/3A, fine, higher porosity.
So sorry to hear this.
I too have noticed this but only when I used the cheaper conditioners (ex: Suave, VO5, etc.) I grew sores/bumps on my scalp and on that sore/bump there was no hair on it! But ever since switching to the more natural products with better ingredients this has helped my curls thrive and my scalp never felt better.
*Natural 3C/TWA*
Wash: BS/ACV, KC Come Clean
Conditioner: SM SB Restorative, Yucca & Baobab

Pre-Poo: Oils & Honey Mix
DC: SM Manuka Honey Masque, SM Yucca Masque
PT:
Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
Styler:
AVG, Oyin Burnt Sugar Pomade
Leave-In: KCKT, SM Yucca Milk
Oil/Sealant: Jojoba,
Avocado, EVCO, EVOO, JBCO
Since I see this complaint a lot I'm guessing that since you hardly have to even rub your scalp with sulfates since it's strong enough to just eat right through oil and build up and be rinsed out without much labor, this has to be a matter of friction where some people's hair just isn't strongly attached.
Originally Posted by chupie
The interesting thing is that I use the same wash method with either CO or shampoo (scrubbing), and lose more hair with shampoo, every time. So while I agree that for some people the hair loss may be due to friction, it's not the only reason. I think for some people the ingredients are the problem, whether in conditioner or shampoo.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Suave conditioner, LAL gel
Well I logged in and discovered that you can change the title of threads... go to "Edit" and then "Go Advanced" so... by popular demand I changed the thread title to something less dramatic.

I actually bought CJ Daily Fix and have used it a few times and would like to try cowashing again, now that the TE episode is well in the past. But this time I'm keeping an eye on the drain just in case. It is a proper cleansing conditioner (even contains cocamidopropyl betaine) and I think will agree with me. I also LOVE CJ's Gentle Cleansing shampoo, which I have to alternate.

Anyway, I understand what people mean about "dramatic titles" and all that, but there needs to be a space on boards like this for people to express themselves, even if it's dramatic, and without grief from other members. I wasn't reporting anything untruthfully. At the time, I was extremely distressed.

I don't want to rehash the same arguments, or re-open this thread really, which is about a year old. Hope everyone finds a routine that works for them!

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