Best leave in conditioner?

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Best only as rinse out. I think using as leave in or gel may irritate your scalp.
Originally Posted by rmc2
Thanks rmc2! I don't know how to multi-quote, so I will have to quote things one at a time. I do have a sensitive scalp, so I'm really glad you mentioned that. I didn't get to Trader Joe's last night anyway, so now I can think about it. Thank you for replying so quickly!
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Best only as rinse out. I think using as leave in or gel may irritate your scalp.
Originally Posted by rmc2
I wash with Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle, RO with Tresemme Naturals, and use either SheaMoisture Milk or KCKT as a leave-in, depending on what I think my hair needs. KCKT isn't really a very moisturizing leave-in, but generally I don't need much extra moisture. I could get away with just using Tresemme for everything, but I think I get better results using different products.
Originally Posted by CurlyInTheFog
Hi CurlyInTheFog, thanks for your quick reply also. As I said, I don't know how to multi-quote. I think I might like to pick up the TJTTT, because sometimes I feel like my hair needs a switch for washing. My hair is on the dry side...do you find it to be a strong shampoo? Also, I am prone to seborheic dermatitis (well, can't find spellcheck either...). Do you think the tea trea oil would help with that if I used it every so often? If you don't know, that's okay too.
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Starznthings: Tea tree oil can be effective if used in dilute form regularly on mild seborrhoeic dermatitis (UK spelling!). You may find some of the other oils and extracts in the Trader Joe's irritating tho, the tingle is a sign of mild irritation. Also the shampoo contains olefin sulfonate which can be stripping/ irritating.
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Your entire routine is relevant, aim to use super gentle products at pH 4.5 to 5.5 to respect the skin barrier/ protective acid mantle/ beneficial flora. You probably already know to cleanse regularly. Options for sulphate free shampoos include
Best Hair Loss Treatments | Hair Growth Treatment | Treatment For Hair Growth (contains ketoconazole, same as in Nizoral)
Products - Komaza Care (pH 4.5 gentle scalp friendly ingredients)
Neutrogena T/Sal Therapeutic Shampoo Ulta.com - Cosmetics, Fragrance, Salon and Beauty Gifts (salicylic acid, harsher so perhaps better for more severe SD)

Also review your diet, aim for as anti inflammatory nutrient dense as possible - over time that can make a huge difference alongside a gentle routine by altering the amount and composition of your sebum, strengthening the skin barrier, reducing systemic inflammation.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-19-2013 at 07:23 AM.
Starznthings: Tea tree oil can be effective if used in dilute form regularly on mild seborrhoeic dermatitis (UK spelling!). You may find some of the other oils and extracts in the Trader Joe's irritating tho, the tingle is a sign of mild irritation. Also the shampoo contains cwhich can be stripping/ irritating.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Are sulfate free shampoos really gentler?

Your entire routine is relevant, aim to use super gentle products at pH 4.5 to 5.5 to respect the skin barrier/ protective acid mantle/ beneficial flora. You probably already know to cleanse regularly. Options for sulphate free shampoos include
Best Hair Loss Treatments | Hair Growth Treatment | Treatment For Hair Growth (contains ketoconazole, same as in Nizoral)
Products - Komaza Care (pH 4.5 gentle scalp friendly ingredients)
Neutrogena T/Sal Therapeutic Shampoo Ulta.com - Cosmetics, Fragrance, Salon and Beauty Gifts (salicylic acid, harsher so perhaps better for more severe SD)

Also review your diet, aim for as anti inflammatory nutrient dense as possible - over time that can make a huge difference alongside a gentle routine by altering the amount and composition of your sebum, strengthening the skin barrier, reducing systemic inflammation.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Firefox7275, There's alot of info you gave me. I think I have a book on anti inflammatory nutrient dense foods...and I do notice that stress is a huge facor in the seborrhoeic dermatitis (that's probably the US spelling also....). I had to use the Neutrogena T/Sal and Nizoral stuff a few years ago, but it hasn't been that bad since then. I didn't know about olefin sulfonate being irritating/stripping, so I need to check my ingredients on a few things. I will also look into the Komaza Care. Thanks for all you input.
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I have used Trader Joe's TTT, Tresemme, VO5 vanilla mint and kiwi lime, TJ's Nourish Spa, and a couple others. I honestly prefer TJ's Nourish spa for cleansing. I don't need as much as VO5 to cleanse, and it has awesome slip, just as good if not better than Tresemme. Its cheap (2.99) and natural.

For leave ins, KCKT was waay too light and I got some frizzies when applying. Satin Roots leave in is much better in my opinion. Its actually light, but at the same time provides enough moisture for my med-thick hair.

If you have Low-Med porosity and medium thick hair, look into these products. (For comparison: have 2B hair and can use mild protein treatments once every few months, its hard to over moisturize my hair.)

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Firefox7275, There's alot of info you gave me. I think I have a book on anti inflammatory nutrient dense foods...and I do notice that stress is a huge facor in the seborrhoeic dermatitis (that's probably the US spelling also....). I had to use the Neutrogena T/Sal and Nizoral stuff a few years ago, but it hasn't been that bad since then. I didn't know about olefin sulfonate being irritating/stripping, so I need to check my ingredients on a few things. I will also look into the Komaza Care. Thanks for all you input.
Originally Posted by starznthings
You are welcome: stress is indeed a huge issue in various forms of dermatitis. Stress is pro inflammatory, affects sleep quality, increases our need for all sorts of nutrients, and often dulls the appetite or causes cravings for sugary rubbish. It's a disastrous combination.

Best self care for stress: get your 10,000 steps each and every day, more intense formal exercise three to four times a week if you are able, pretty much the same as an anti inflammatory diet especially the oily fish, also magnesium rich foods for example chia, ground flax, pumpkin seeds, and yummy cocoa powder! I do this for a living and am prone to stress/ anxiety so let me know if I can help further on that in the future.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My hair loves giovanni direct leave in and it is cheap with great ingredients. www.swansonvitamins.com
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It is not really true that 3 COs are needed to make CG work, at least for most; more than one is usually just an individual choice.

The original book only says that the CO should contain 1) a mild surfactant (i.e., quaternary ammonium salts such as cetrimonium chloride), this is important as contrary to popular belief not all COs contain a surfactant and some may be better than others. 2) protein (but some prefer to avoid this), 3) emollients, and 4) humectants. So if the CO qualifies in all points it should be enough.

What may have initiated the trend towards several COs is the fact that many years ago a lot of people began with a pricey CO and in order to save money added a cheap one for co-washing, so a lot of newbies probably thought that was the way to do it. I myself used two to stretch my organic RO and eventually I didn't rinse it out at all so I would not waste it (and it did wonders for my hair that way!). Many people with healthy fine hair don't even need a LI, or like me most of the time, have enough with not completely rinsing out their RO.

So, if you have a quality and complete CO see first how you do with that one alone, the whole point of CG is to simplify one's hair care routine and narrow down the products to 2 if possible (a CO & a gel). However, those that manufacture curly hair products will encourage people to use more... and some PJs end up collecting a gazillion bottles and jars in their unrealistic hope that a "miracle" formula is going to even change their hair type...
My top 3 best leave in conditioner for natural hair are as follows:

-As I Am Naturally Leave-In Conditioner
-Kinky Curly Knot Today mixed with Castor Oil and Jojoba Oil
-Shea Moisture Shea Butter Leave In Conditioner

they all smells great and makes my hair really moisturize

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