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csalter93 06-23-2013 11:27 AM

New and Starting 'no-poo'! :)
 
Hey there ladies! :) I'm Chloe and I've just signed up here after looking through the site and reading the forum recently... I was blown away by the before and after photos... you all have fabulous hair!

So my hair has always been very thick and it used to be very wavy. I however have spent a good few years destroying my hair with blow-driers and straighteners... I also went through a phase of bleaching my hair which I'm sure had a horrible effect! It was very straight through this period, but recently since ditching the bleach, hairdryer and getting a fresh cut, I have started to get some of my waves back! They do however seem to vary on how I do my hair routine, a few weeks ago I had lovely waves after washing and air drying but then the other day doing the same thing my hair dried straight! It can be wavy with a few curls one day and poker straight the next!

Sorry for the long blab, but basically I want to try the CG no-poo method to attempt to bring out my curls and just make my hair healthier in general! I'm planning on CO washing every few days to start with and if it does go through a greasy stage then perhaps do a baking soda/ACV rinse?

I just have a couple of questions for any girls that have tried and tested the CO wash only method (with no shampoo!)...What cleansing conditioners and leave-ins have you found best in general (I already have tresemme naturals for moisturising)? And also I was confused over whether it is best to do a baking soda AND ACV rinse in one go, although I have seen that some people just do the ACV on its own?

Thankyou so much for any help!! :) xxx

Firefox7275 06-24-2013 07:04 AM

Baking soda is alkaline so damaging to both skin and hair, that risks setting you back from adjusting to conditioner-only washing. I strongly recommend you don't use it.

If your hair is bleach and heat damaged then it is likely porous so I'd use a richer conditioner than Tresemme Naturals for leave in. Consider ingredients such as coconut oil, hydrolysed proteins, ceramides and panthenol. If you don't already know your hair properties you need to because you should be choosing products and ingredients based on this not random recommendations. See the stickies on the newbies and general haircare board, the Live Curly Live Free website.

The most common drugstore co-wash products are Suave Naturals, V05 and Tresemme Naturals, I rate Inecto. Many times the problems people have with co-washing and clean hair is not simply how much sebum they are producing but poor technique, using the wrong product (too moisturising/ not cleansing enough) or not enough product. There are some great videos on YouTube.

If you struggle with the transition it would be better to use a super gentle sulphate free shampoo at pH 4.5 to 5.5 because this will not strip the protective acid mantle or trigger irritation (related to sebum production) as baking soda, traditional soap and harsh shampoos do.

clarissafrn 07-01-2013 01:25 AM

I'm not so sure how much help I can really be since I'm pretty new at this too xD

What I can tell you though is NOT to make a baking soda/water PASTE. I now use a baking soda rinse every few days (2-3) with a LOT of water and as long as I conditioner right after, it's fine. It can dry out though, so watch out, it's not for everyone. I used to condition with an apple cider vinegar rinse and it was real good, but I ran out of acv and need to get more but have been too lazy (and recently bought a $20 conditioner that I NEED to finish xD).

Another thing I've heard of is mixing egg with water/lemon juice as a shampoo. I've tried it once, but I can't really give you any good or bad reviews on that yet. I'm giving it a few weeks before judging it.

As for co-washing, I've never noticed any significant pros or cons to that. I've definitely tried it long enough to know I'll use it if I don't have anything to shampoo with, but I'm just not a fan of it. It's not my thing.

So, basically, I use a baking soda rinse (LOT of water, little bit of baking soda) or egg/water rinse as shampoos (and skip shampoo maybe one day); and a $20 conditioner (sorry, I forgot the name of it, but it's not significantly awesome or bad. I can tell you the name if you want later) as a shampoo rarely and a conditioner daily.

Firefox7275 07-01-2013 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by clarissafrn (Post 2186164)
What I can tell you though is NOT to make a baking soda/water PASTE. I now use a baking soda rinse every few days (2-3) with a LOT of water and as long as I conditioner right after, it's fine. It can dry out though, so watch out, it's not for everyone. I used to condition with an apple cider vinegar rinse and it was real good, but I ran out of acv and need to get more but have been too lazy (and recently bought a $20 conditioner that I NEED to finish xD).

So, basically, I use a baking soda rinse (LOT of water, little bit of baking soda) or egg/water rinse as shampoos (and skip shampoo maybe one day); and a $20 conditioner (sorry, I forgot the name of it, but it's not significantly awesome or bad. I can tell you the name if you want later) as a shampoo rarely and a conditioner daily.

Sorry but baking soda is not fine, it is the alkalinity (high pH) that is damaging to both skin and hair, a pH meter or strips can only measure a water based solution anyway not undissolved solids in a paste. It is not simply the roughness of the grains, there is plenty of research/ experiments indicating what harm alkaline agents do to skin and hair if you Google for it.

Vinegar does not in any way fit the definition of a hair conditioner it's a drying acidic solution, it will encourage the cuticle to lay flat but won't patch repair damage, help maintain hydration or elasticity, reduce combing friction or the many other properties of a hair conditioner. Hair feeling a certain way is not proof of what has actually occurred at a structural or microscopic level.

Two good series of tutorials on pH and conditioning (total of eight videos to watch)
♡♡♡Structure of Hair Part 2 - pH Balance Basics - YouTube
Moisture Basics: Moisturizing and Sealing Your Hair - YouTube

Guste 07-03-2013 05:52 AM

hi, i'm on CG about 2 month and I have one questions.
I heard about olive oil mask. (you put oil on your hair and scalp) and I was wondering if conditioner will wash oil from hair? i'm to scary to try it, because i don't have silicone free poo and i don't want to use a normal poo.

Firefox7275 07-03-2013 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Guste (Post 2186932)
hi, i'm on CG about 2 month and I have one questions.
I heard about olive oil mask. (you put oil on your hair and scalp) and I was wondering if conditioner will wash oil from hair? i'm to scary to try it, because i don't have silicone free poo and i don't want to use a normal poo.

I would not put olive oil on your scalp, just the hair because they oleic acid it contains is a known irritant. Olive is not the easiest to shift because it's quite thick, you might try coconut or avocado oil.

Conditioner only washing with a lightweight oil free conditioner will remove most oils. Use loads of conditioner and loads of massage, you can leave hte conditioner to soak also.

csalter93 07-03-2013 02:47 PM

Thankyou so much for the help girls! :) I found some of the inecto coconut conditioner, it smells heavenly and feels really good to CO-wash with!

Firefox7275 07-03-2013 02:56 PM

Glad you like it!


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