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Does the catwalk curls contain silicones? Is it CG friendly?
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
It has Cyclomethicone, which is "slightly soluble". I co-wash every other day and have no issues with build up. Here is a description:
Girl with Curl: Bad versus Good silicones
2 b/c at the moment, 3a when not relaxed
Medium Texture
Normal Porosity

LA looks gel will give me good hold without growth but it doesn't look nice and "soft" and touchable. Any gel that works works too well if you know what I mean.
My hair hates all silicones, even the water soluble ones.
Oh man now I'm learning about this humectant and glycerin thing and now I don't have a CLUE!

Ok so I need just a good basic conditioner that is low in humectant and maybe just gel?

The tesseme "moisture" has aloe and avocado so is that too much? What ingredients should I look for that will moisturize and then not cause the growth and frizz, AND not cause frizz? Aye caramba I am totally confused now.... and on top of that I have to worry about ph as well?

so many ingredients to avoid, sulfate, silicones, protein, and now glycerine and humectant... what's left???

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-01-2013 at 07:14 PM.
This topic has become way more involved than finding a leave in. I need a whole new slew of products that are CG friendly, silicone and sulfate free, low humectants, low protein, and the right pH, for coarse, thick, high density, highly porous hair with 3A to 3B curls. I live in a high dew point. It is in the 90s most days right now and rains daily.

I need a cleansing conditioner, leave in conditoner, something with oils to seal all that in, and a decent gel to finish that won't leave my hair gross and sticky. My desire is soft bouncy defined, low frizz curls.
Oh man now I'm learning about this humectant and glycerin thing and now I don't have a CLUE!

Ok so I need just a good basic conditioner that is low in humectant and maybe just gel?

The tesseme "moisture" has aloe and avocado so is that too much? What ingredients should I look for that will moisturize and then not cause the growth and frizz, AND not cause frizz? Aye caramba I am totally confused now.... and on top of that I have to worry about ph as well?

so many ingredients to avoid, sulfate, silicones, protein, and now glycerine and humectant... what's left???
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
You don't necessarily need to avoid or limit every ingredient with humectant properties, just the more potent ones like glycerin, propylene glycol, honey. Aloe might be fine in moderation because it is weaker.

Do you need to moisturise (add or increase water)? With highly porous hair you may well need less moisture, but more elasticity and more conditioning. Lots of ingredients help hair hold the right amount of water (act as very weak humectants as well as their other roles) from panthenol to cationic surfactants to fatty alcohols and these are very common in conditioners.

You could just use a leave in conditioner containing a little oil, or add a little oil to your gel (a la DIY Ecostyler custard) rather than try to use a separate sealer. Too much oil left in makes my hair greasy and/ or stringy long before it controls frizz properly, it works a lot better for me as a penetrating treatment or a minor ingredient in a leave in conditioner. It is fatty alcohols and lots of them with enough water that give me clumps but YMMV.

For any triangle head consider a curly specialist haircut.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Ok I am going to give you the ultimate products to get healthy and beautiful curls and the best part is everything is all natural. As a shampoo/conditioner I recommend African black soap or terressentials mud hair wash they are both amazing, and when you use them you don't need a conditioner just one product!! As a leave in conditioner I like to use shea moisture Anti breakage masque. It is a mash but if you use just a TINY TINY bit is a great super moisturizing leave in. And as a gel I like to use aloe vera gel or flaxseed gel. this works wonders on my hair and leaves it so healthy it shines
I don't know whay YMMV is?

I always thought my hair was dry becuase it feels dry but maybe its not? How do I tell if its dry or needs elasticity?


EDIT... oh I also know what kind of cut to ask for to get my curls to lay right. But diffent cuts are needed for short and long hair and because I'm growing out I don't want too many layers right now to maintain. Trying to minimize breakage for maximum growth.

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-02-2013 at 02:09 PM.
Oh man now I'm learning about this humectant and glycerin thing and now I don't have a CLUE!

Ok so I need just a good basic conditioner that is low in humectant and maybe just gel?

The tesseme "moisture" has aloe and avocado so is that too much? What ingredients should I look for that will moisturize and then not cause the growth and frizz, AND not cause frizz? Aye caramba I am totally confused now.... and on top of that I have to worry about ph as well?

so many ingredients to avoid, sulfate, silicones, protein, and now glycerine and humectant... what's left???
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
One thing at a time! Relax, we'll get there!

Okay, the Alba B LI I mentioned earlier will work in high dews... I tried it as my only leave-in product in a tropical country with dews in the 80s (like FL in the summer) and no glycerin-induced frizz. My suspicion is that coconut oil (an anti-humectant) is found in greater concentration than the glycerin (a humectant) so it kind of cancels out the humectant-properties of the glycerin.

So that will be "safe" to use Florida-wise.

Okay, as far as gels, so you don't like the hard holds gels at all? I know LA Looks makes a bunch of different ones of differing "strenghts"... I'd still ask Chloe, she might be able to better point you in the right direction.

What about homemade gels then, like FSG or okra? These will have a softer, much less producty feel and they're not humectants. Since your curl pattern is strong, you won't need a hard hold gel to hold your curl pattern in place so you might really benefit from FSG and okra gels.

Don't worry too much about pH as you're just starting... most hair products will be in the "safe" pH zone even if higher than the skin/hair pH 4.5-5.5. I'd recommend against using something truly alkaline on your hair skin like baking soda, otherwise I think you're ok. Some "advanced curlies" actually alter the pH of their products so that they match the skin/hair pH, but I wouldn't worry about that now. If you're making your own FSG for instance, you can add citric acid to bring down the pH (you can test w/ litmus paper)... but it's not necessary. Just make a simple batch and see how your hair reacts and then you can start getting more "advanced" with future batches.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Edit, never mind... I looked up flax seed gel, I'm def gonna try to make some!

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-06-2013 at 11:38 AM.
Maybe I am trying too many humectants? This has really been helpful. I'm beginning to understand a few things. I skipped the shea moisture and just did conditioner and gel. Mixed the gel with a little castor oil. Not too bad?

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I think the rest of my questions have been answered via other threads. Thanks so much for all the help!

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-06-2013 at 11:37 AM.
Yep, I live in FL, and for me, I have to avoid glycerin in my stylers. The smoothie was good for me in the winter, but also left my hair feeling producty/ tangly. I've also stopped using a leave-in- I concentrate on conditioning my hair in the shower using rich products like curl junkie curl rehab or repair me. I also do weekly overnight coconut oil soaks on dry hair.

After I get out of the shower I apply a slimy curl enhancer (and lots of it) - usually okra gel or FSG, Uncle Funkys Curly Magic, or Spiral Solutions CEJ. Then I do a second layer of a hard hold gel (I have so many, in my regular rotation are LAL sport gel, Dep sport, MGA styling gel, BRHG, GVP liquid sculpting gel).

I plop for about 10 mins the diffuse to about 80% dry. Once bone dry, I SOTC. I have very little frizz issues using my routine.

The most important step in my routine is my slimy product, middle layer. If I skip that, my hair never looks that great. More ramen noodle like, I prefer clumps.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip

Last edited by chloe92us; 08-10-2013 at 06:56 AM.
Yes to carrots!

My hair seems to love this as a secondary rinse out after my cheap cleansing conditoner(tresseme natural) and as a leave in! It really helped define my curles, reduce frizz, and add gloss.

I haven't found that Alba leave in locally but am still keeping my eye out for it.

Also ordered some whole flax seeds and am going to attempt to make gel when it gets in. Can a bit of apple cider vinegar be used in gel to help acidify it? I was thinking of putting like a half teaspoon into the water as it boils.

Thanks!
Oh and I found some kinky curly curling custard at target and my hair seems to like it too! I had do ditch the shea moisture smoothie and gelee. I think I may finally be getting the hang of this CG stuff... sometimes I miss the cones quick and easy frizz fix...but I know its worth it.

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-20-2013 at 07:08 PM.
Alright I picked up some shea moisture curl milk and some oil finishing spray and my hair is also loving these two products. The curl smoothie was too producty and the gel I guess had too much glycerin. So today i cowashed with yestocarrots.. rinsed it all out. Used a small amount mixed with jojoba oil to leave in. Shea moisture curl milk. Sprayed some finishing oil. A tiny bit of kccc scrunched in when it was almost dry to tame the frizz. It rained today and I still had decent looking hair.
Here is an end of the day picture. Sorry about the lighting. I think I overdid the oil spray a little but but will level out when I wet and restyle tomorrow. Ongoing log regarding my search for products-uploadfromtaptalk1377063936399.jpg
Today is a decent hair day. I would like a little more bounce the the curls, it seems a little limp. But my mother in law is going to give me a trim this weekend and she is amazing so she will make the layers look better. At least I'm not pyramiding! I posted a question asking about some natural products over in that subforum but wanted to post my routine for today (so I don't forget what worked!)

Last night cowashed with tresseme natural. Left in a tad olive oil with yes to carrots conditioner. Rinsed out this morning. Mixed coconut oil with shea curl milk then followed with kccc. Scrunched it with a bit of conditioner at work after it was dry and clumped to my head.
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