Ongoing log regarding my search for products

This started as a simple thread asking about a leave in conditioner but as I began to look into that particular question I began learning about ingredients and how they impact my hair and my own hairs properties.
So, I've decided to continue this thread to keep a log of my quest for products and update it as I try new things (as opposed to starting a new thread for every little question) I'm learning what my hair likes and doesn't like, I will post updates here and welcome any comments, questions, and most of all suggestions!



*here was my original post*
I need some suggestions for a good leave in conditioner that is really moisturizing and does not contain protein. I am still trying to figure all this stuff out. My hair is very coarse, dry, brittle, as well as thick and dense. My curls have a mixture ranging from 3B at the nape to 3A and 2C on the top.

I would appreciate suggestions for a cheaper drug store leave in as well as more expensive.

Thanks!

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Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-21-2013 at 12:38 AM.
I would just like a few product suggestions from anyone that may have any ideas for my hair. I am new to this CG method and everything I used before was loaded with silicones. I used to love the redkin smooth down butter treatment as a leave in but that's a no no now.

Does anyone have a few brands to suggest at all? I mean I know how to read the ingredients but I dont want to try blindly it would be nice to know which brands have worked or might work with my hair?
I like this leave-in a lot! It should work with your properties.

Leave-In Conditioner - Conditioners - Hair Care
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Thank you! Added it to my amazon wish list but my local walmart carries alba so I will see if they have it first. Looks like a pretty nice ingredient list.
I like the Jane Cater line, the Shea moisture curl milk & smoothie, & the cantu coconut milk.
Lately I've been using Dr.Bronner liquid castile soap to wash scalp (1 teaspoon in hand, lather with water, massage into scalp, rinse)

Then I follow with their hair rinse. Many do Apple Cider Vinegar rinse
Lately I've been using Dr.Bronner liquid castile soap to wash scalp (1 teaspoon in hand, lather with water, massage into scalp, rinse)

Then I follow with their hair rinse. Many do Apple Cider Vinegar rinse
Originally Posted by ajasminflower

I looked at some of those brands of their rinses and leave ins and they contain ethanol, I don't put any alcohol in my hair (unless its a conditioning alcohol) So it sounds pretty drying.

I know a lot of people use ACV, but I've used it and honestly it does abosolutely nothing for my hair, not a thing. I never understood all the rave. I tried using it for several weeks to see if continued use would make a difference and it did not.
I like the Jane Cater line, the Shea moisture curl milk & smoothie, & the cantu coconut milk.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
I have the shea moisture smoothie but it makes my hair feel kind of "gunked" up. It looks nice when i use it in combination with their souffle but it feels really gunky, sticky. If I use less it to cut back on the gunky feeling it doesn't work to control frizz and define curls.

Is this the cantu product you are referring to?
Amazon.com: Cantu Shea Butter Coconut Milk Shine and Hold Mist, 8.4 Ounce: Beauty
I know a lot of people use ACV, but I've used it and honestly it does abosolutely nothing for my hair, not a thing. I never understood all the rave. I tried using it for several weeks to see if continued use would make a difference and it did not.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Generally an acid rinse is required after using soap, it's highly alkaline and can leave a scummy residue too.

Some of the products suggested are not true leave in conditioners, they are styling products. A true conditioner is rich in the major emollients (fatty alcohols and/ or cationic surfactants), these soften the hair, provide slip, help it hold the right amount of water, aid clumping/ frizz control.

What is your porosity and dew points/ humidity? This affects product selection. Shea butter can build up for some people.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Well I live in Florida so its pretty humid most of the time. ... which tends to make my hair 'grow" lol, but it also makes it kinkier which I kind of like. I've lived in FL my whole life so it's not a big deal to me, when I used to straighten winter time was always the best becuase its drier.

I was thinking I have medium to high porosity. I can feel a little roughness when I slide my fingers up a piece of hair and it takes forever to dry.

Currently I am using either VO5 or tresseme natural conditioner for my cowash and then the tresseme for the leave in, then I follow with the curl creams (currently shea smoothie or curls creme brule) then a gel.

Tonight I was messing around a little. After my haircut I came home and cowashed with the V05, then a deep treatment with extra virgin olive oil and honey that I left on for an hour. Then I cowashed with the tresseme and rinsed really well with cold water, then some tresseme as a leave in.

Then I put a very tiney amount of the shea curl smoothie and combed it through. Then a moderate amount of the creme brule and combed. Then the curls curl goddess gel. Combed. Then I scrunched some curl smoothie on the ends and then more gel. I scrunched over all this with a tshirt to soak up excess water and product. Then I took a tiney amount of castor oil and scrunched on the ends, Then I did that "plop" thing for an hour. Then I let it air dry and when it was dry I fluffed a little and scrunched a tiney bit of creme brule to finish it. Here is what I wound up with. To give you an idea of how much product my hair can handle... it does feel soft though, not gunky, though I'm about to go to bed so I have no idea how long it would last during the day. Ill see if I can refresh it tomorrow without completely soaking it down again (which is what I usually have to do) Ongoing log regarding my search for products-uploadfromtaptalk1375246169185.jpg
Well day 2 hair not so great. I think I wind up using too much product trying to combat frizz, I'm better off rinsing really well and restyling from soaking wet I think. It is dry but has a wet/producty look to it I dont care for Ongoing log regarding my search for products-uploadfromtaptalk1375287416782.jpgOngoing log regarding my search for products-uploadfromtaptalk1375287463954.jpg
Not digging it.
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Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-21-2013 at 12:40 AM.
The smoothie can give you that feel, I would recommend the Shea Moisture milk, its a nicer feel. And better for losser textures in my opinion.
I like the Jane Cater line, the Shea moisture curl milk & smoothie, & the cantu coconut milk.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
I have the shea moisture smoothie but it makes my hair feel kind of "gunked" up. It looks nice when i use it in combination with their souffle but it feels really gunky, sticky. If I use less it to cut back on the gunky feeling it doesn't work to control frizz and define curls.

Is this the cantu product you are referring to?
Amazon.com: Cantu Shea Butter Coconut Milk Shine and Hold Mist, 8.4 Ounce: Beauty
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol


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CG/LOC Method's 3b/3c hair SL-Curly/ Goal-MBL Curly
Weekly Poo/Low Poo: some Shea M Poo.
Weekly Deep Treat-Dermorganic Intensive Hair Masque
Bi-Weekly RO:Tresseme Naturals - V.Smooth/N.Moisture
Daily Leave in:Shea Moisture Extra Moisture Detangler
Daily Oil: Olive Oil & Conut Oil Mix
Daily Styler: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk
And the Dr.B, I believe the website said that the alcohol is in there to preserve the ingredients, since they're so organic.
Lately I've been using Dr.Bronner liquid castile soap to wash scalp (1 teaspoon in hand, lather with water, massage into scalp, rinse)

Then I follow with their hair rinse. Many do Apple Cider Vinegar rinse
Originally Posted by ajasminflower

I looked at some of those brands of their rinses and leave ins and they contain ethanol, I don't put any alcohol in my hair (unless its a conditioning alcohol) So it sounds pretty drying.

I know a lot of people use ACV, but I've used it and honestly it does abosolutely nothing for my hair, not a thing. I never understood all the rave. I tried using it for several weeks to see if continued use would make a difference and it did not.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol


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CG/LOC Method's 3b/3c hair SL-Curly/ Goal-MBL Curly
Weekly Poo/Low Poo: some Shea M Poo.
Weekly Deep Treat-Dermorganic Intensive Hair Masque
Bi-Weekly RO:Tresseme Naturals - V.Smooth/N.Moisture
Daily Leave in:Shea Moisture Extra Moisture Detangler
Daily Oil: Olive Oil & Conut Oil Mix
Daily Styler: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk
I think I will try the moisture milk. I thought it might be too lightweight becuase most curl creme or any creme styler doesn't seem to be heavy enough for me. And on the other end of the spectrum, the heavier ones seem to be a tad too heavy. My hair is not normal .... lol. And I wish I could try every product I see without breaking the bank! All companies should sell samples of all of their products! Lol.
I found the same thing with the SM curling smoothie, my hair felt gunky.

I have been using Catwalk Curls Rock Curl amplifier as a leave in. I co wash, then condition and then I rinse my hair with cool water. After the cool rinse I shut off the shower and use the curl amplifier while my hair is still soaking wet. I I comb it through with a wide tooth comb and then get out of the shower. I scrunch my hair with a t-shirt so it's not sopping wet, then I apply Deva Curl AnGel. Then scrunch again. I let it air dry or if I'm in a rush I will difuse it. I get the hold without the gunk.
2 b/c at the moment, 3a when not relaxed
Medium Texture
Normal Porosity

Does the catwalk curls contain silicones? Is it CG friendly?
Though I haven't tried the SM Smoothie, the SM Milk won't be too light... they both contain oils and some low-porosity people have issues with both.

The Alba B. LI is richer but not as heavy if you get what I mean. Don't get me wrong, I like the SM Milk, but if you have dry, damaged hair the Alba B one may be better. It's considered a "true conditioner" because it has a mixture of fatty alcohols, (coconut) oil, cationic surfactants, panthenol etc. (as well as a bunch of "botanicals" which are in small concentration and probably negligible). Anyway, I think it's a very balanced conditioner ingredients-wise. I've used it in very high dews without problem.

Oh by the way I think your hair looks great! Shiny and not dry nor damaged.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

Last edited by wavydaze; 07-31-2013 at 11:01 PM.
Thank you, I am definitely gonna pick up some of the Alba conditioner.

I'm not crazy about the cut, I think becuase to make it look good it needs more layers but I purposely asked for very few long layers becuse its easier to trim and maintain while growing it out. But being this short it doesnt have much shape and at the end of the day I had a case of pyramid head. I'll probably be rocking the poofy ponytail on days I work. But I'm still hoping a good leave in will help aid the issue.

Here is the end of the day poofOngoing log regarding my search for products-uploadfromtaptalk1375332525960.jpg
Hmm if growth during the day is your problem then it might be a high dew + humectant issue. Having well-conditioned hair is going to help with the frizz, but you'll also need a good gel that doesn't have glycerin high up on the list, or for me, aloe high up on the list. KCCC doesn't work for me in high dews either, because the sugars are humectants and don't stand up well to the humectants.

What gel(s) are you using and what are the ingredients?

You may want to look at Chloe92us's siggy... check out the gels she uses; she also lives in FL. I think she layers gels so uses a filler gel layer and tops it with a hard hold gel.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

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