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Old 08-11-2013, 11:25 PM   #1
 
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Hi guys,
I'm new to this method, I have what I think is type 2C hair, I've always used salon products that are loaded with sulfates and silicones and have always struggled with fluffy uncontrollable frizz that I've beaten into submission with a flat iron! I do colour my hair but I use Aveda's deposit only and I really don't want to stop colouring, I have greys and my natural colour is very flat and I have no desire to go back. All the flat ironing trashes my ends hence is my driving force in giving this method a go. I don't know that I want to give up flat ironing altogether, there's probably going to be special occasions etc that call for a flat iron (I have a wedding that I'm bridesmaid for in 4 weeks so there's definitely going to be heat tools involved) but I want to stop flat ironing on a daily basis and bring health to my hair by giving up the 'poo!

So, I'm in Australia and our silicone free options are abismal to say the least! I grabbed Al'chemy (akin brand) avocado and calendula conditioner and also the wheat protein conditioner as my heavier conditioners and the only one I could find for the cheaper lighter co-wash one was tresemme naturals nourishing conditioner. I have also been using extra virgin organic coconut oil as an overnight treatment and also a little as a leave in. I absolutely love the Al'chemy conditioners (I've used them before and they really suit my hair) but I feel like the tresemme is too heavy to be a co-wash conditioner for me, it just feels too slippery for my liking and I HATE the smell! I loved the coconut oil when I was using shampoo, it feels like it really treats my hair but since using the tresemme as my co wash I don't feel like it adequately removes the oil.

I want to keep the Al'chemy conditioners, they feel wonderful and I know my hair likes them, but I really want to do away with the tresemme for the above reasons. I've found a supplier that sells carrier oils, essential oils and other goodies, they also sell shampoos and conditioners and they're very reasonably priced (by aussie standards!) so could someone please tell me if any or all of these might be suitable for CG as my cowash conditioner?

1) Conditioner base (it's called that because they sell it as a base so people can add their own essential oils etc) -Purified Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Almond Sweet Oil, Certified Organic Shea Butter, Certified Organic Jojoba Oil, Vegetable Glycerine, Natural Preservative, Cetrimonium Chloride, Ceteareth 20, Certified Organic Rosehips Oil, Guar Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Chloride, Lactic Acid

2) Concentrated conditioner -Purified Water, Quaternium 70, Propylene Glycol, Cetyl Alcohol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Stearyl Stearate, Cetrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Quaternium 80, Guar Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Chloride, Sodium Chloride, Polyquaternium 7, Keratin Amino Acids, Ethylhexylglycerin, Lactic Acid, Disodium EDTA

3) Light conditioner for darker hair -Purified Water, Propylene Glycol, Quaternium-70, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Quaternium-80, Disodium EDTA, Henna Extract, Walnut Extract, Lactic Acid, Triethanolamine

4) Nourishing conditioner -Purified Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Almond Sweet Oil, Certified Organic Shea Butter, Certified Organic Rosehips Oil, Certified Organic Jojoba Oil, Vegetable Glycerine, Natural Preservative, Cetrimonium Chloride, Ceteareth 20, Certified Organic Ylang Ylang Oil, Certified Organic Lavender Oil, Certified Organic Palmarosa Oil, Guar Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Chloride, Lactic Acid, Triethanolamine

5) Vitanourish conditioner -Purified Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Almond Sweet Oil, Mango Butter, Cetrimonium Chloride, Vegetable Glycerine, Stearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Ceteareth 20, Guar Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Chloride, Caprylyl Glycol, Sodium Hydroxide

6)Condition & shine - Purified Water, Quaternium-70, Propylene Glycol, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Stearyl Stearate, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Quaternium-80, Disodium EDTA, Lactic Acid, Triethanolamine

Looking at the ingredients does anyone think any of the above would be nice/suitable for my cowash conditioner? Would you advise I continue with coconut oil as a treatment? And what would you advise I use when I get out of the shower? I really HATE crunchy curls so the thought of using gels turns me right off. I have quite a few different curls going on in my hair, ranging from barely wavy (in the front, I think it's from years of bleach which I no longer use) through to s curls and fairly tight ringlets in the mid to back. I really just want to define and enhance what I have for nice silky hydrated hair rather than the frizzy flyaway poufy hair I usually have going on...lol.

I'm sorry my post is so long guys, I'm just very new to this and unless a product is very obviously silicone (dimethicone etc) then I'm unsure what is considered CG safe. I'm open to any links for info and reading too if anyone has any great links.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:28 PM   #2
 
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Old 08-13-2013, 12:11 AM   #3
 
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As far as silicones go, you want to avoid anything ending in: cone, conol, & xane. Be aware that some leave in conditioners can be watered down regular conditioners. What you can do is after you cowash, put the same conditioner back in as your leave in with your favorite oil. This combo with give you hold with out the crunch of gel. Also, if you don't like the crunch of gel you can use a light hold gel or scrunch out the crunch with your favorite oil. You don't have to leave your gelled hair crunchy.
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Old 08-13-2013, 01:21 AM   #4
 
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Thanks so much for your help Curlicious

I'll get a light hold gel and give it a go, I'm not sure if we have any CG safe gels here in Oz...lol

So if those are the ingredients to look out for it looks to me like all those conditioner ingredients are fine, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with alot of the other ingredients in them so I'm not sure by looking at them if any of them would be way too heavy
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:13 AM   #5
 
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Some posters are not online every day so sometimes it takes a couple of days to get a reply, not everyone here is confident with ingredients lists.

Before you purchase anything else try pre-diluting the Tresemme Naturals in a bottle and shake well, using twice as much Tresemme, plenty of massage until you work up a light lather, massage again as you rinse well. The conditioner will feel slimy initially that is normal, but should quickly stop feeling slimy and it should get the oil out of your hair no problem if your technique and product amount is correct.

1. Too much oils and butters, you are trying to clean your hair not condition it
2. The first emulsifier/ cleansing agent fatty alcohols too far down the list (cetyl alcohol)
3. As 2
4. As 1
5. As 1
6. As 2

In a co-wash you should be avoiding or limiting anything that builds up or deposits, no silicones, no butters, can have a little oil, no waxes such as cetyl esters, no petrolatum/ mineral oil. I like Inecto if you can get that in Australia, lathers well and very cleansing, even for a heavy oiling. IIRC some use some of the Garnier Fructis products, but I'm not sure which you have.

You are looking for a product rich in fatty alcohols and/ or cationic surfactants. Usually something super cheap, where the manufacturer hasn't wanted to spend money on expensive depositing ingredients.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...-care-products

Flaxseed gel or okra gel are not particularly crunchy, gentle on hair and you can make it yourself. Any crunch is scrunched out when hair is bone dry. Ingredients beneficial for colour treated or damaged hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol.

Have you considered purchasing the Curly Girl book if you are lacking in confidence or knowledge? Oh and there is an 'Aussie Curly Girls' group on Facebook who might be able to help you with products.

Otherwise check out any or all of the stickies on the newbies board, stickies on the general haircare board, the 'curl chemist' articles here on NC by Tonya McKay, the Natural Haven blog, videos on the method on YouTube especially those by Waterlily716. Lastly be sure you understand your hair properties (fine/ coarse, porosity) and dew points/ humidity (download the free 'Curls on the Go' app). .
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics

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Old 08-13-2013, 05:37 AM   #6
 
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Thank you Firefox, I apologise if that sounded demanding and rude, I'm only new around here and I guess being from Australia and all the time zones are different as well

Thank you so much for all your advice, bummed about those conditioners! I was hoping one of them would be suitable, it's so super difficult over here in Australia to find something cone free and CG safe! Most of the products that are on all the lists I've managed to find googling are just not available here.

I don't feel like the Tresemme is so much too heavy for my hair, it just feels too slippy and greasy when I use it. The thing that bothers me the most is the smell...blergh! I had in years gone by seen innecto in Priceline and made a beeline for it when I went last week but it seems they no longer sell it! ARGH!
Thank you for the suggestion of flaxseed gel, I might have to look up how to make some! That's not drying?

I've watched a few of waterlily's vids and I've downloaded that app you mentioned Thank you so much for your advice, I really appreciate it! <3
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:50 AM   #7
 
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Thank you Firefox, I apologise if that sounded demanding and rude, I'm only new around here and I guess being from Australia and all the time zones are different as well

Thank you so much for all your advice, bummed about those conditioners! I was hoping one of them would be suitable, it's so super difficult over here in Australia to find something cone free and CG safe! Most of the products that are on all the lists I've managed to find googling are just not available here.

I don't feel like the Tresemme is so much too heavy for my hair, it just feels too slippy and greasy when I use it. The thing that bothers me the most is the smell...blergh! I had in years gone by seen innecto in Priceline and made a beeline for it when I went last week but it seems they no longer sell it! ARGH!
Thank you for the suggestion of flaxseed gel, I might have to look up how to make some! That's not drying?

I've watched a few of waterlily's vids and I've downloaded that app you mentioned Thank you so much for your advice, I really appreciate it! <3
Like I said, the slimy/ slippy feeling can usually be got rid of by pre-diluting the conditioner, shaking the mixture well and massaging until you get a light lather. But co-washing does feel different and strange, even unpleasant initially: now I hate the feeling of shampoo, the lather feels 'dry' and instantly tangly. Smell is clearly more of a problem.

We don't have most of the US branded products here in the UK either, instead we have a ton of cheap own brand conditioners in supermarkets (grocery stores) and pharmacies. It really is the cheapest lines in the store you need to look at. Otherwise try Aussie Curly Girls, they might be able to tell you where sells Inecto if not a better alternative. Not sure if there is an Aussie thread here on NC, did you run an advanced search? Or post on the Curly Girl book page on Facebook.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG, growing out mechanical and chemical damage = breakage and very high porosity. Past armpit length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics

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