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Old 08-15-2013, 02:12 AM   #1
 
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Hi there,

I'm new here, so if you want to know a little about me, you can read this: New on the road to the best curls I've ever had!

I've just started the CG method a few days ago and I am loving it. I've started this topic to keep track of my progress and share my results.

This is a before picture, probably taken early in the day. When it was taken I thought this was a pretty good hair day:



Another before picture. This was taken on an exceptionally good hair day. Hardly any frizz. I discovered that my hair dries really well when driving my car



Last week I learned about plopping. This made a huge difference! This is my hair after half a day of cleaning my house and half a day outside in the wind:



Then I discovered about no sulfates and silicones and the CG method. After two days of this I discovered this in my hair:



And there were lots and lots of them!



I can't wait to see what else happens to my hair when I continue this routine!
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Welcome! What a beautiful curl pattern, those ringlets *almost* don't look real.
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Thank you!

They are very real I did not twist them or anything. Only a little crunching while applying product to my hair, that's it!
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Your curls are gorgeous!!! Like what you see on TV. Keep up the good work?
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Thanks!!
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The products you all use are not readily available here, so I've been using what is. Nobody probably knows these brands, but just to keep track I post them anyway:

Co-wash and conditioner



The green bottle on the left is ridiculously cheap and costs only 1.49 euro, which is way cheaper than the shampoo I've used before. I like this one much better!

Styling products (I've been alternating between them)

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Hi Eva, a fellow Dutchy here Amazing how beautiful your hair looks! I don't recognize the Aloe Vera Conditioner. I reckon you use this for Co-washing? Where do you buy this?

The last two styling products I have in my cupboard as well. How do you use these? I can't get mousse in my hair without getting a "wet look" and I hate that. The gel I use in mix with Etos Solid Power Gel diluted with water as a curl enhancer. I can't use it alone because my hair stays wet so long that all the curl gets pulled out. Well, that's probably because I'm more of a wavy than a curly.
Anyway, tips are most welcome and nice to see that CG works for you!

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Old 08-16-2013, 01:30 AM   #8
 
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Hi Rapunzel!

You're right, I use the Aloe Vera conditioner for co-washing. I bought it at Action. They also have a lovely face daycream with Aloe Vera for only 1,69 euro (this one: http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...eginfoto-3.png), if you're interested in such things. That one is also free of nasty additives.

I apply mousse to wet hair and use about the size of a mandarin orange. Before I learned about the CG method I would put my hair in a towel for some time and then apply the mousse. I never got the wet look that way unless I applied it to hair that had dried too much already or used too much mousse. If your hair dries into stiff curls using the mousse, you can simply crunch the curls and they will return to soft just like gel curls do.

Now I do it differently: After conditioning my hair (and rinsing) I apply some of the Aloe Vera conditioner to my dripping wet hair and crunch. Then I apply the gel or mousse and crunch again. Next step is plopping for about 15 to 20 minutes. I might add some more conditioner mixed with a little water and gel after that and let it dry naturally of blow dry using the Pixie girl method.

I hope this answers your questions!
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Shopping for hair products is addictive!

Today I went to the store to get a jar of coconut oil, but came home with a lot more!

For the first time in my life I bought a head band! I never wanted to wear one, because it looked hideous with all the frizz and stuff. Now I actually like it!



Another big no-no were hair clips like these:



But now my hair has less volume and clipping it actually looks nice!

While shopping I ran across these micro fiber head towels:





They were really cheap, only 1 euro, so I bought one to see if they are useful for plopping.
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Hi Rapunzel!

You're right, I use the Aloe Vera conditioner for co-washing. I bought it at Action. They also have a lovely face daycream with Aloe Vera for only 1,69 euro (this one: http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...eginfoto-3.png), if you're interested in such things. That one is also free of nasty additives.

I apply mousse to wet hair and use about the size of a mandarin orange. Before I learned about the CG method I would put my hair in a towel for some time and then apply the mousse. I never got the wet look that way unless I applied it to hair that had dried too much already or used too much mousse. If your hair dries into stiff curls using the mousse, you can simply crunch the curls and they will return to soft just like gel curls do.

Now I do it differently: After conditioning my hair (and rinsing) I apply some of the Aloe Vera conditioner to my dripping wet hair and crunch. Then I apply the gel or mousse and crunch again. Next step is plopping for about 15 to 20 minutes. I might add some more conditioner mixed with a little water and gel after that and let it dry naturally of blow dry using the Pixie girl method.

I hope this answers your questions!
@Eva : thanks for the reply. I will certainly try out your mousse routine. Maybe this Sunday or Monday...
And I go to the Action for the conditioner.
The headband looks really nice in your hair! I must say I really love your healthy shining hair.


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You have such pretty curls! Headbands are the best, aren't they?!
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Your curls are gorgeous!! I didnt know those two loreal products were cg friendly! Awesome!!! I'm gonna try them out and the aloe Vera conditioner as well! I live in holland too and find it hard to find suitable products so I mostly order online, but its so expensive! Most products in store aren't cg or are either to light for my mixed race hair, so I need to apply a ton of it, which leaves my hair feeling funky, or they are "too heavy" and really only ment to moisturize Afro hair, which is fine for my hair, but not suitable for styling it, unless I put a lot but then it will be weighed down and greasy. Thank you so much!

Too funny, i didn't read the whole topic at first and saw the Hema hair clips, hahaha love it. Thought she must be dutch! Then I read the whole post and saw u are indeed. Leuk om fellow-dutchies tegen te komen hier!

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Thank you all soo much girls!! I'm sitting here with a big smile on my face!

Today is going to be a wonderfull hair day for me. I just got out of bed, did nothing to my curls yet and this is how they look!



I am speachless! I've never ever been able to get out of bed with a reasonable head of curls, let alone such wonderfull ones!!

The form is a bit different than my natural curls, but I actually like these looser curls even better. There is a litle bit of frizz / loose curls in between them, but I dare not touch my hair. I'm too afraid too mess it up!

I'm going to write down how this happened, so I'll remember and can try it again some day.

Yesterday I used Yes to carrots (you can buy it at De Tuinen) as a leave in conditioner. My hair and scalp did not agree with that at all! My hair felt greasy and a layer of gunk started forming on my scalp. On top of that I had quite a lot of frizz (which I would have classified as a wonderful hair day before I knew about all the things I have learned here.

I could not stand this any longer, I wanted the greasy feeling out of my hair, so I decided to wash it at night, knowing that I would need to wet it again this morning (normally I wake up with awful hair when I go to bed when it is still damp).

Sometimes I'm not so logical, so I decided to try a deep treatment with coconut oil. I bought this jar yesterday:



It is 100% natural raw virgin coconut oil. I bought it at De Tuinen. I have no idea what this stuff normally costs, but I thought it was quite expensive there (14 euros), so if someone knows where to get it cheaper, tell me!

Anyway I massaged in into my scalp and put it in my hair while finger detangling it. My curls instantly became very strong and bouncy. I put some plastic wrap on my head and waited about an hour before rinsing it out.

I used the Aloe Vera conditioner as a co-wash and Inecto coconut conditioner (which you can buy at loads of places, but cheapest at Big Bazar, where it is only 1,99 euro now. The bottle looks a bit different, but the ingredients are exactly the same). I also used this as a leave in and covered it with the L'oreal gel. I plopped using my new micro fiber towel for about 20 minutes. It was still quite wet after that, so I let it air dry for a couple hours more.

By then it was time for bed, but what to do with my curls??? I decided to put the micro fiber towel back on my head (I don't have a sleeping cap) and made sure all curls were safely tucked inside before twisting the end of the cap.

When I woke up this morning the towel had come off, but my curls looked soooooo wonderful!!
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I live in holland too and find it hard to find suitable products so I mostly order online, but its so expensive!
You might find this link useful: Hairfair - Toon onderwerp - The Curly Girl method If you scroll down you find a long list of products that are without silicone and sulfates. It is an old list, so you do want to check the bottles before you buy. I've noticed that a some things are not available any more and other have different (and bad!) ingredients now.

I've made some pictures of the lists of ingredients of the products I own (some of which are on that list and others are not), so you can check if they are suitable for your hair. It might save you a trip to the store if they are not.

The Aloe Vera



This one does contain benzyl alcohol (which is not a fatty alcohol, but one that dries your hair), but it is low on the ingredient list.


The Inecto Coconut conditioner



This is what it looks like at Big Bazar, where it costs only 1,99 euro.



This one contains isopropyl alcohol (which is a bad one) and low on the list it mentions magnesium chloride (which is a salt). I used this conditioner yesterday and my hair absolutely loves it.


At Big Bazar I also found this conditioner:



It is from the same brand als the Aloe Vera one. A liter bottle costs 1,89 euro. The ingredient list mentions sodium chloride (which is a salt) quite high on the ingredient list and benzyl alcohol quite low on the list. It also contains quite a lot of emolients and humectants, so I decided to give it a try anyway. If my hair does not like it I will maybe use it as hand soap I'm going to try it next week or so.




the Dr. Organics Vitamin E conditioner.

You can buy this one at De Tuinen. I think it is quite expensive at 8,39 euro for a small bottle, but they now have a three for the price of two thing going on.

I don't have a picture of the ingredient list (the letters are too small!), but it contains loads of humectants, some emolients and two sources of oil (helianthus annuus seed oil and Butyrospermum parkii butter). Furthermore it contains a chelating agent low on the ingredient list.


You probably know the Yes to carrots conditioner. It is also for sale at De Tuinen and costs 7,99 euro. The ingredient list is mentioned here: Yes to Carrots! Pampering Conditioner - NaturallyCurly.com

My hair did not like it al all. I compared ingredient lists yesterday and this one contains loads of sources of oil, so maybe that is why. I'll give it another try this winter.
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Benzyl alcohol is a preservative, the magnesium low on the list is likely a thickener. I use and love that Inecto.

Check the Yes to ... product you have for cetyl esters, these are waxes that can build up. They were horrendous for my hair in the new Fructis Repair & Shine (Triple Nutrition).
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I've been checking ingredients on this site: TightlyCurly.com

About Benzyl alcohol it says:

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Can be drying and irritating in larger amounts. If it's low on the ingredient list, it's probably diluted enough that it wouldn't be a problem.
Is that not true? That was why I thought it was not a fatty alcohol, but a bad one if it is too high in the list. It is in so many products, it would be nice if it were a good ingredient.


About Magnesium chloride it says:

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A salt from seawater after sodium chloride has been removed.

The Yes to carrots does have cetyl esters in them. I've read more stories about people who have trouble with those. They don't seem that harmful though when you read the description (since it is soluble in oil, and most conditioners contain some sort of oil anyway):

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Cetyl esters is a synthetic wax used to replace spermaceti (wax that once came from sperm whales). Used as an emollient, thickener, keeping products from separating, and to make them more opaque.

Sold as a white wax that's insoluble in water, but it is soluble in mineral and vegetable oils.It's similar to cetyl alcohol, but it's a bit more emollient
But I'll stay away from it for now, since my hair did not like it at all. Maybe I'll test it again this winter.
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Whooop whoop! That's an amazing list! thank you so much! Had no idea that so many products were cg friendly! I've bought the inecto conditioner today and will see how that works for me. I saw in Hema that their gels and mouses en their "natural conditioner" don't contain sulfates or cones, drying alcohols or mineral oil etc. Maybe ill try out some Hema stuff too soon, its super cheap! Thank you sooo much! =D =D

Didn't know about the wax in the yes to carrots btw, I've used it before and loved the slip and soft feeling it gave my hair, but I did notice some build up after a while I thought it was my leave in, but it was probably the conditioner, because didn't experience build up with other conditioners. Too bad, loved how it made my hair feel.. but plenty alternatives, gonna try out some new stuff yaayy =D

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Geweldig! You sound really happy! Good for you!

Thanks for the tip about the HEMA stuff. I'm going to have a look at those too.

Check out this review of the HEMA conditioner online: HEMA conditioner It is just one review but it states that it is a really runny conditioner.
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How do I keep my second day curls from frizzing out?

I had wonderful hair when I got up yesterday, but within the hour it started frizzing terribly. I tried spritzing it with water from a spray flacon, but this only made it worse. As did applying more gel. I ended up putting my head under the tap.

Today I got up with wunderful hair again, but same thing as yesterday! Frizz all over within the hour.



The picture is a bit dark, but you can see the frizz above my head.

What can I do to prevent or cure this frizz??
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Slowly I'm building a routine for myself. As most newbies I wanted to try it all at once

Now I use Inecto as a co-wash en rinse out conditioner. Last rinse in the shower is upside down.

Depending on the dew point I use Inecto as a leave in as well, which I finger comb trough my hair.

By then my hair is still dripping wet and I put it in one of those fiber cloth towels I bought last week.

I leave this in for a couple of minutes and then apply gel. I bought an extra strong one to help me with the frizz. For the Dutchies: It is this one:



After applying the gel I plop for another 10 to 15 minutes or so. After that I let it air dry.

I've been quite happy with the results.

This weekend I want to try a protein treatment. I found this one: Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

I wanted to make an adapted version with:
65 ml water
4 gelatin sheets
a couple drops of vinegar
2 tablespoons coconut oil
3 teaspoons conditioner

I tried something like this last week and my hair did like it a lot, so I'm gonna try to leave it in longer this time.
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