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CurlyNelly 08-16-2013 02:20 PM

Cg method not working!!!
 
I havent put shampoo in my hair since I did the big chop. And last night I conditioned my hair with garnier fructis in the yellow bottle, baggie method, then rinsed. Afterwards, I sprayed garnier fructis triple nutrition mist to lock in moisture then applied a leave in. My hair is jet black but it looks ashy now. What am I doing wrong here?

Alise'

KiraSavannah 08-16-2013 02:55 PM

Hey! And the Garnier Yellow bottle I'm guessing the "triple nutrition", has cones so it is not curly girl friendly. maybe because you are using silicone products moisture it's not going into your hair, if you feel like no poo is making tour hair feel greasy or bot clean you can ise a low poo ex.(shea moisture, organix [only their shampoos], deva curl low poo)

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CurlyNelly 08-16-2013 03:05 PM

What products are curly girl friendly? I can use any advice. I hate I wasted all that money on the whole collection and its not even a good product for me :(
Thank you

Alise'

Geek_Chic 08-16-2013 03:59 PM

I would first low poo (sulfate free shampoo) with a silicone free product to free your hair of any remaining silicones, or you can use a sulfate shampoo ('cone free) to do the same. Once you have a clean slate, choose products that suit your hair properties and dewpoints. You can look on the board for people with similar properties and scan their siggies for what they use and like.

In general, Suave Naturals, VO5 (not the Salon Series), Tresemme Naturals, Giovanni, and Yes To are all decent conditioners available in most drugstores. Suave and VO5 are good for cowashing. Tresemme can be a cowash, rinse out, or leave in, depending on how much moisture your hair needs. If you want to go the Sally's route, As I Am and CURLS are both available there, as well as a few other CG friendly lines. GVP Conditioning Balm is a good moisturizing rinse out, and you can add oils and/or honey or other ingredients to make it richer for more of a deep treatment.

CurlyNelly 08-16-2013 04:44 PM

Thank you so much. I have a big bottle of suave naturals peppermint AMD rosemary shampoo. Is that ok to use. I really need to do my research. It's soo much to learn I don't even know what to do or were to begin! I did the porosity strand test by sliding my fingers down my hair shaft. I didn't feel any bumps its was more of a smooth glide. So I'm guessing that means low-po. And I would say about medium density. Curl type is about 3c to 4a. I need to do some research. I want to go about caring for my hair the right way.

Alise'

CurlyNelly 08-16-2013 06:27 PM

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This is what I could afford at the moment. (from left to right) suave naturals tropical coconut shampoo, the original mane 'N tail moisturizer and texturizer conditioner, suave professionals morrocan infusion shampoo, and suave professionals morocan infusion conditioner. Both salon proven. Are these good products?

Alise'

Geek_Chic 08-16-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CurlyNelly (Post 2200322)
Thank you so much. I have a big bottle of suave naturals peppermint AMD rosemary shampoo. Is that ok to use. I really need to do my research. It's soo much to learn I don't even know what to do or were to begin! I did the porosity strand test by sliding my fingers down my hair shaft. I didn't feel any bumps its was more of a smooth glide. So I'm guessing that means low-po. And I would say about medium density. Curl type is about 3c to 4a. I need to do some research. I want to go about caring for my hair the right way.

Alise'

The Suave Professionals Rosemary Mint shampoo has sulfates but is silicone free. It's not CG, but you might keep it around in case you run into something a low poo doesn't handle. It'll also do fine as your final sulfate wash to remove any lingering silicones.

If you ran your fingers up the strand from tip to root, and it was smooth, with no bumps, that indicates low porosity. The strand test isn't 100%, so watch how your hair behaves too. If it takes a while to get wet and a long time to dry, and if products often just "sit" on your hair instead of absorbing, then you're most likely low porosity. You'll also want to figure out your texture (size of individual strands). Large = coarse, medium = medium, and small = fine. You can compare to the hair "down there" for a decent visual, since that hair is normally coarse. In general, coarse hair needs moisture (it naturally has a lot of protein), medium needs a mix of moisture and protein, and fine hair needs protein. This doesn't mean that coarse hair never needs protein or fine hair never needs moisture however. Moisture and protein are all about balance.

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Originally Posted by CurlyNelly (Post 2200341)
This is what I could afford at the moment. (from left to right) suave naturals tropical coconut shampoo, the original mane 'N tail moisturizer and texturizer conditioner, suave professionals morrocan infusion shampoo, and suave professionals morocan infusion conditioner. Both salon proven. Are these good products?

Alise'

Of the products you got, I can't quite tell which of the Moroccan Infusion varieties that is, the Shine or the Color Care. I did a quick ingredients check on drugstore.com, and it showed both varieties of shampoo as having Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Dimethiconol. Neither of those are CG friendly. The Shine conditioner page shows it has Dimethicone, and the Color Care conditioner page shows Dimethicone and Amodimethicone. Amodimethicone and Dimethicone are both silicones which require at least a low poo to remove, so they are not CG friendly. Do double check your bottles to make sure, since the internet isn't always correct.

The Mane 'n Tail is silicone and sulfate free, but does contain emulsifying wax which might build up. You'd have to try it and see how your hair does. Some use it with no issues. The Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut is a much loved cowash conditioner and is absolutely CG friendly. Some have good luck using it as a leave in for conditioner only styling, and it works as a rinse out conditioner for others. I use it as a cowash and sometimes as a rinse out in warmer months.

As a quick rule of thumb, sulfates say "sulfate", the ones to watch for are Sodium Lauryl and Sodium Laureth, Ammonium Lauryl and Ammonium Laureth. Silicones are ingredients that end in 'cone, 'conol, or -xane. Other than a couple of exceptions, if the silicone doesn't start with PEG- or PPG-, then they won't cowash out. PEG and PPG indicate a silicone has been modified to make it water soluble.

CurlyNelly 08-16-2013 07:31 PM

It's the color treated bc I just recently dyed my hair black. Ugggh I thought I did good -_- maybe ill just use the suave mint and rosemary as a shampoo and the suave coconut as a co wash. Since those seem to be the only two that's ok

Alise'

CurlyNelly 08-16-2013 07:35 PM

Also whenever I use the suave mint and rosemary it makes my hair feel extremely matted down, stiff, to the point I can't run my fingers thru it. But on the other hand it leaves my hair squicky clean.

Alise'

Firefox7275 08-16-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CurlyNelly (Post 2200278)
I havent put shampoo in my hair since I did the big chop. And last night I conditioned my hair with garnier fructis in the yellow bottle, baggie method, then rinsed. Afterwards, I sprayed garnier fructis triple nutrition mist to lock in moisture then applied a leave in. My hair is jet black but it looks ashy now. What am I doing wrong here?

Alise'

Sorry but that doesn't sound anything like the Curly Girl method, is it perhaps more compliant with the Tightly Curly method? Have you read either the Curly Girl book or researched it from other sources? Baggie method and sprays are not included, you should be using both a leave in conditioner and a styler - avoiding all sorts of ingredients that can build up if you are co-washing.

There is useful stuff in the stickies on the newbies board and the general haircare board, various vloggers on on YouTube. Agree that many of the Fructis conditioners/ products are not CG, there are waxy cetyl esters and silicones (suffix -cone, -conol, -xane) in most of the current formulas.

Geek_Chic 08-16-2013 08:57 PM

Don't get discouraged, it can take a bit to get the hang of deciphering ingredient lists.

Garnier's Hydra Recharge conditioner is CG, if you need a very moisturizing conditioner as a rinse out or leave in, and it's not super expensive. Tresemme Naturals conditioners are fairly cheap too, and if you end up not liking it, you could sell it on the swap board. You should be able to return the current stuff that isn't CG and get a refund since it's unused.

In a pinch, you could final sulfate wash with the Rosemary Mint shampoo, then use the Tropical Coconut as cowash, rinse out, and leave in till you can get a better rinse out.

CurlyNelly 08-17-2013 04:18 PM

So I did some research and I found that maybe this cg method is not for me. It seems that any shampoo I use makes my hair feel like straw. I'm just going to stick to the basics. Co washing every thursday. Deep conditioning ever Friday and Monday. It's too overwhelming knowing what to get and what not to use. I also tried the Cantu products bc they're cone free and sulfate free. But it seems to just sit on my hair not absorb

Alise'

CurlieKayKay 08-17-2013 04:26 PM

To wash my hair I use As I Am Coconut Co-Wash, I bought it the first time at Sally's the second time I bought it at Wal-Mart it's $8.

CurlyNelly 08-17-2013 04:46 PM

What type of hair do you have and doe sit work well? I'm tryingto figure out what's a good product to use. I'm so lost when it comes to this hair stuff. It's frustrating

Alise'

CurlieKayKay 08-17-2013 04:49 PM

I think my hair is 4a, I like it, it cleans my hair without taking away a lot of moisture.

anissafersure 08-17-2013 05:31 PM

I just became CG a little over 2 months ago, so I know how confusing it is to learn the do's & don'ts. For my shampoo, I use the Shea Moisture Raw Retention shampoo. It's CG friendly and you can find it at Walmart, Target, Walgreens, Rite Aid, etc. For my co-wash I use either Shea Moisture's Raw Retention Conditioner or recently I've tried V05's Strawberries & Cream conditioner. Both of those work well and you can find them at the same stores listed above. The main thing you need to do when buying products is to look at the ingredients. You have to make sure that the products you purchase have no sulfates or silicones (or parabens if you care about that). After a while you'll get the hang of things. Good luck! (:

CurlyNelly 08-17-2013 05:33 PM

Ok maybe I will try this. I have 3c and 4a. Is your hair low-po, mid-po, or high po? The reason I ask is because my hair is low-po which means the products usually sit on top of my hair. Not absorbing

Alise'

CurlieKayKay 08-17-2013 05:36 PM

My hair is mid po, my strands are also very fine. I believe my hair is 3c in the back because that texture is looser and bigger curls than the rest of my hair.

curlicious13 08-17-2013 05:57 PM

Curliekaykay I also have 3c/4a hair. Not sure about porosity because my hair absorbs everything but takes forever to dry due to my thick hair. What I use: cowash- either garnier fructis strength/length or suave tropical coconut. (Also as my leave in), deep condition: Eden body works jojoba deep condition. I have 2 low poos. I use the nice & curly sulfate free poo & sm curl control poo. 1 has protein (nice & curly). The other has humectants in it. (Sm) I use these once a month. Lastly, I clarify with suave clarifying shampoo once a month because I can't use apple cider vinegar. Give some these products a try they may help your hair.

CurlieKayKay 08-17-2013 06:02 PM

Cool, I might have to check some of these products out.


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