Giving CG Method a try!

So I discovered the CG method a couple weeks ago, and wow, what an education, I had no idea curly hair needed such different care. No wonder my hair is always such a pain in the you know what..... I've tried so many different products, and while it usually looks ok for part of the day while it's drying, it then turns into a frizzy mess. By the time I get home from work, it goes in a pony tail because it just looks awful.

So I'm definitely going to give the curly girl method a try and see what happens!

I'm not really sure what my hair type is.....2C or maybe 3A? Here's a pic from a couple years ago, while it was only about 3/4 dry and still curly, shortly after this it went totally puffball frizz..... (pardon the pirate costume, I couldn't find another sort of closeup of my hair right off hand.....lol)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...1&l=d95b7d1b01

My hair always used to be sort of wavy, but over the last ten years, it's definitely changed and really wants to curl....

Got all excited about the CG method when I first discovered it, ran out and got sulfate free shampoo and conditioner and got started..... Then I discovered the no "cones" part.....and everything sulfate free I had bought had cones in it. Oops. So that stuff went out to the barn to restock my supply of shampoo and conditioner for my horses, and I went shopping again.

So last Wednesday I started over again and washed good with my old sulfate shampoo to clean all the cones out.....

Unfortunately, I do have to wash my hair pretty much daily, because I have horses, and well, after spending time in the barn with my girls.....my hair usually smells like horse.... lol! So the no poo idea kinda freaked me out, but so far co washing seems to do just fine cleaning that barn smell out. lol! I swear my hair absorbs smells something awful!

I also color my hair. I have it professionally colored once every 8 weeks. I know that is probably bad, but I LOVE being a redhead and refuse to go back to my dirty dishwater blonde/brown if at all possible.... I always said I would never color my hair, so kind of a funny story how I ended up being a redhead: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3&l=2c6d19bea8

So here's what I ended up with so far for the "no cones" routine....

Organix macadamia oil hydrating shampoo
L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Hydracharge Cleansing Conditioner
Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner
Kinky Curly Knot Today

And after digging through the stash of hair products I've bought over the last few years, I pulled out these three that seem to be CG approved (I think) to play around and experiment with.....

Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Define and Hold Creme
Garnier Fructis Curl Scrunch Gel
Pantene Curly Hair Series Curl Defining Mousse

And I have long sleeve t-shirts to try plopping. And I had some left over cotton t-shirt material from a costume I made recently, so today I made myself a little cotton towel for scrunching the water out of my hair.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psa6b3dc3d.jpg

So I used the Organix on Wednesday and again yesterday, because I put too much of something on it on Friday and it felt so gross, I had to shampoo! lol! But hopefully I can get away with using the Organix once a week, but we'll see. I will say I have already noticed I huge difference in my oily scalp since I first attempted the CG method (before I discovered the "no cones" part).

So here's my hair today.... This morning I co washed with the L'Oreal, conditioned with the Tressemme, rinsed with cold water. With hair still soaking wet, applied a little Kinky Curly, a little Totally Twisted, a fair amount of gel. Combed with wide tooth comb. Then scrunched, scrunched, scrunched. Then scrunched out excess water with my new cotton towel. Then put it up in a plop. Left the plop in about 20 minutes, then took it down, didn't touch it and let it air dry. Here it is about 3/4 of the way dry. Not too bad. One side looks better than the other, and I see some frizz starting, but I know it will take time....



Unfortunately, this is how it looked after going out to dinner with my husband, getting blasted by the AC in the truck on the way there and back, and stopping to take care of my horses in nearly 90 degrees with 80% humidity...... Some parts going flat, other parts going crazy curly, and hello frizz..... I have a lot of experimenting to do with products..... Ok, so I guess it doesn't look nearly as bad in the picture as it does in the mirror.... *shrugs*



Any suggestions, hints, or tips would be greatly appreciated! I think I need a leave in conditioner. I wasn't sure if the Tressemme would work very well as a leave in, or if I should find a different actual leave in conditioner. I was toying with the idea of trying the coconut oil treatment, since I have a big jar of it that I use for baking and the bottom half of my hair does feel pretty dry.....

Hmmm.....and I seem to have written a book again.....sorry!!!
Dun Got Class Costuming Creations:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dun-G...98553693554150

Last edited by Antilles; 09-01-2013 at 08:32 PM.
Some girls use their co wash as a leave in. Please know that all herbal essences products have cones in it. So you won't want to use that. But to be sure, cones end in "cone, xane, & conol." Another good resource is the live curly live free website. Make sure that you find products based on your hair properties & dew points in your area. Check out the curls on the go app on your smart phone. Wonderful tool.
Organic line some products have cones in it.
Please know that all herbal essences products have cones in it.
I thought PEG/PPG-18/18 DIMETHICONE was one of the ok "cones", but I guess I was wrong. And I completely missed CYCLOPENTASILOXANE, didn't realize that was a "cone".

Well bummer, looks like I'll be getting the old sulfate shampoo back out, and starting over again tomorrow.......

Check out the curls on the go app on your smart phone.
No smart phone for me, still have a dumb phone. lol!
Dun Got Class Costuming Creations:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dun-G...98553693554150
Silicones with PEG or PPG in front are water soluble and CG-friendly. And cyclo-cones evaporate off of the hair during the drying process, which also makes them fine to use with co-washing.

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
So I discovered the CG method a couple weeks ago, and wow, what an education, I had no idea curly hair needed such different care. No wonder my hair is always such a pain in the you know what..... I've tried so many different products, and while it usually looks ok for part of the day while it's drying, it then turns into a frizzy mess. By the time I get home from work, it goes in a pony tail because it just looks awful.

So I'm definitely going to give the curly girl method a try and see what happens!

I'm not really sure what my hair type is.....2C or maybe 3A? Here's a pic from a couple years ago, while it was only about 3/4 dry and still curly, shortly after this it went totally puffball frizz..... (pardon the pirate costume, I couldn't find another sort of closeup of my hair right off hand.....lol)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...1&l=d95b7d1b01

My hair always used to be sort of wavy, but over the last ten years, it's definitely changed and really wants to curl....

Got all excited about the CG method when I first discovered it, ran out and got sulfate free shampoo and conditioner and got started..... Then I discovered the no "cones" part.....and everything sulfate free I had bought had cones in it. Oops. So that stuff went out to the barn to restock my supply of shampoo and conditioner for my horses, and I went shopping again.

So last Wednesday I started over again and washed good with my old sulfate shampoo to clean all the cones out.....

Unfortunately, I do have to wash my hair pretty much daily, because I have horses, and well, after spending time in the barn with my girls.....my hair usually smells like horse.... lol! So the no poo idea kinda freaked me out, but so far co washing seems to do just fine cleaning that barn smell out. lol! I swear my hair absorbs smells something awful!

I also color my hair. I have it professionally colored once every 8 weeks. I know that is probably bad, but I LOVE being a redhead and refuse to go back to my dirty dishwater blonde/brown if at all possible.... I always said I would never color my hair, so kind of a funny story how I ended up being a redhead: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3&l=2c6d19bea8

So here's what I ended up with so far for the "no cones" routine....

Organix macadamia oil hydrating shampoo
L`Oreal Paris EverCurl Hydracharge Cleansing Conditioner
Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner
Kinky Curly Knot Today

And after digging through the stash of hair products I've bought over the last few years, I pulled out these three that seem to be CG approved (I think) to play around and experiment with.....

Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Define and Hold Creme
Garnier Fructis Curl Scrunch Gel
Pantene Curly Hair Series Curl Defining Mousse

And I have long sleeve t-shirts to try plopping. And I had some left over cotton t-shirt material from a costume I made recently, so today I made myself a little cotton towel for scrunching the water out of my hair.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psa6b3dc3d.jpg

So I used the Organix on Wednesday and again yesterday, because I put too much of something on it on Friday and it felt so gross, I had to shampoo! lol! But hopefully I can get away with using the Organix once a week, but we'll see. I will say I have already noticed I huge difference in my oily scalp since I first attempted the CG method (before I discovered the "no cones" part).

So here's my hair today.... This morning I co washed with the L'Oreal, conditioned with the Tressemme, rinsed with cold water. With hair still soaking wet, applied a little Kinky Curly, a little Totally Twisted, a fair amount of gel. Combed with wide tooth comb. Then scrunched, scrunched, scrunched. Then scrunched out excess water with my new cotton towel. Then put it up in a plop. Left the plop in about 20 minutes, then took it down, didn't touch it and let it air dry. Here it is about 3/4 of the way dry. Not too bad. One side looks better than the other, and I see some frizz starting, but I know it will take time....

Unfortunately, this is how it looked after going out to dinner with my husband, getting blasted by the AC in the truck on the way there and back, and stopping to take care of my horses in nearly 90 degrees with 80% humidity...... Some parts going flat, other parts going crazy curly, and hello frizz..... I have a lot of experimenting to do with products..... Ok, so I guess it doesn't look nearly as bad in the picture as it does in the mirror.... *shrugs*

Any suggestions, hints, or tips would be greatly appreciated! I think I need a leave in conditioner. I wasn't sure if the Tressemme would work very well as a leave in, or if I should find a different actual leave in conditioner. I was toying with the idea of trying the coconut oil treatment, since I have a big jar of it that I use for baking and the bottom half of my hair does feel pretty dry.....

Hmmm.....and I seem to have written a book again.....sorry!!!
Originally Posted by Antilles
Welcome!

I would suggest you go back to basics and research the Curly Girl method - the stickies on the newbies board and general haircare board are a good place to start, read the Curly Girl Handbook itself or check out Waterlily716 on YouTube. It's useful to know your hair properties and your dew points/ humidity and choose ingredients/ products based on that. There is a Frizz Forecast/ dew points tool on the main NC site if you don't have a smartphone.

Ingredients to avoid include sulphate surfactants (ideally all anionics), alkaline soaps, most silicones, waxes, butters, some polyquats. Plenty of us here permanently colour our hair, beneficial ingredients include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. Some of these help replace the function of silicones. Porous hair, high humidity and potent humectants (propylene glycol, glycerin, honey, maybe aloe vera) generally don't mix.

Kinky Curly Knot Today is a detangler not a 'true' conditioner, since it contains no oils and few fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants. You should be using a fair bit of leave in conditioner not a little. Many here use Tresemme Naturals as a leave in conditioner. The leave in can be as important as the styling product for controlling frizz.

If your hair is porous you will likely need more leave in conditioner and possibly a shorter plop time. Aim to dye your roots only since 'refreshing' the lengths repeatedly is very damaging. Touch up the lengths with a high pigment semi permanent colour like Manic Panic or La Riche Directions.

HTH!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'm hoping to order the book later this week. I've been reading things online, but everything seems so scattered and/or contradicting, it's sometimes kind of hard to put it all together. So hopefully the book will help.

As for hair properties....

Texture:
seems to be medium, though I do have some very course strands mixed in here and there

Porosity:
seems to be medium to high, I definitely get some catching feeling if I fun my fingers up the strand

Curl type:
I think I'm 2C or 3A? I don't know, what do you think?


Drying time:
My hair takes forever to dry. When I wash it at 7:30 in the morning and head to work, it's usually after noon before it's truly completely dry.

Dew point:
In my area it's currently around 51 degrees.


So for today.....

I tossed with Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Define and Hold Creme. It was nearly gone anyway, and I never really did care for the sticky texture of it.

I co washed with the L`Oreal and conditioned with the Tressemme. Then added a fair amount of Tressemme as a leave in, a fair amount of KCKT, quarter size of the GF gel, combed with wide tooth comb, scrunched, scrunched out water with cotton towel, and plopped for 20 minutes with long sleeve t-shirt. Today it looks less frizzy, but has a lot of drying to do still, so we'll see how it looks later.

Right now it just feels stiff and crunchy. lol! Definitely need to play with how much of what to use.

I can play around with shorter plop times with week, because I know I won't have time for 20 minute plops before work.
Dun Got Class Costuming Creations:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dun-G...98553693554150
I'm hoping to order the book later this week. I've been reading things online, but everything seems so scattered and/or contradicting, it's sometimes kind of hard to put it all together. So hopefully the book will help.

As for hair properties....

Texture:
seems to be medium, though I do have some very course strands mixed in here and there

Porosity:
seems to be medium to high, I definitely get some catching feeling if I fun my fingers up the strand

Curl type:
I think I'm 2C or 3A? I don't know, what do you think?

Drying time:
My hair takes forever to dry. When I wash it at 7:30 in the morning and head to work, it's usually after noon before it's truly completely dry.

Dew point:
In my area it's currently around 51 degrees.


So for today.....

I tossed with Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Define and Hold Creme. It was nearly gone anyway, and I never really did care for the sticky texture of it.

I co washed with the L`Oreal and conditioned with the Tressemme. Then added a fair amount of Tressemme as a leave in, a fair amount of KCKT, quarter size of the GF gel, combed with wide tooth comb, scrunched, scrunched out water with cotton towel, and plopped for 20 minutes with long sleeve t-shirt. Today it looks less frizzy, but has a lot of drying to do still, so we'll see how it looks later.

Right now it just feels stiff and crunchy. lol! Definitely need to play with how much of what to use.

I can play around with shorter plop times with week, because I know I won't have time for 20 minute plops before work.
Originally Posted by Antilles
I'd say 3a. Do you mean it takes forever to dry naked or with products on?

Try not combing your product in, that can split clumps and is not a regular part of the Curly Girl method. Try smoothing or raking. Since you are using a fairly basic/ lightweight conditioner and have a lot of hair you might experiment with way more leave in conditioner, I often think I've used too much but rarely have. Also sounds like you might need more gel for hold, maybe less Kinky Curly Knot Today since that is more of a detangler than a conditioner or styler.

You might also experiment with plopping first and scrunching excess water second from any sections that are just too wet, what you are doing is not wrong but you might find the other way better (or worse). With my more porous ends I can't take too much water/ product out when plopping or I get frizz, Or you might try only scrunching water out of some sections and not others that are prone to frizz/ dry quickly.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'd say 3a. Do you mean it takes forever to dry naked or with products on?
Naked or with product it takes forever to dry. My hair is so thick, I have a lot of it! Probably takes a little bit longer with product than without product.

Since you are using a fairly basic/ lightweight conditioner and have a lot of hair you might experiment with way more leave in conditioner, I often think I've used too much but rarely have. Also sounds like you might need more gel for hold, maybe less Kinky Curly Knot Today since that is more of a detangler than a conditioner or styler.
So I'm curious, since "a little more/a little less/a little bit/a fair amount" can mean different things to different people, "how much" leave in conditioner and gel do you use/suggest? Dime size amount? Quarter size? Something larger?
Dun Got Class Costuming Creations:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dun-G...98553693554150
So I'm curious, since "a little more/a little less/a little bit/a fair amount" can mean different things to different people, "how much" leave in conditioner and gel do you use/suggest? Dime size amount? Quarter size? Something larger?
Originally Posted by Antilles
I don't understand your coinage, but I use three to five blobs on my porous armpit length, neither thick nor thin hair. I just kept adding each wash until I'd used enough/ too much. It feels like it's way too much conditioner, that it won't ever dry on without being sticky or greasy but it does. Lower porosity hair may require less of course.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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