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Jimipe 09-13-2013 08:06 AM

Do I need to do a deep treatment?
 
So, I just started, did my last-schampooing the 8th and first co-wash the 11th. Have something that looks like 2b/c for the moment, but with the more healthy parts of my hair looking more 3a, which I think is where my hair wants to go.

I used to wash my hair once a week, wear it in braids to get it less fluffy and all over the place. I did use to colour it, semi-permanent colour but it's 1 year since the last time I dyed it and well, it's still there about 1 dm left at the longest parts of my hair. Those parts are clearly dryer and in worse shape than the rest...

Anyway, I'm just trying to grasp the whole thing and figure out how to handle my hair as I've spent all my life trying to fight the curls and volume, and after accidently ending up with a hair dresser this summer who cut my hair curl by curl instead of cursing and flat-ironing it (which usually means that it looks bad afterwards + I need to shop off another inch as my hair hates flat irons) and it suddenly looks quite good once in a while I decided to take the leap.

What I'm currently stuck on is all the talk about deep treatment-things. I have no idea what to look for, or if this is even something I need? Where I live I don't have access to the products people here seem to talk about (though I found some places online that sells Jessicurl stuff) and I just feel clueless...

Is this sort of deep-mouisture/deep-protein treatments something that I need to do or should be doing? How do I know if I should and how do I know which products to use for this? (I have a good list of forbidden-stuff to look for in products, but what sort of things should I look for?)

Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)

Firefox7275 09-13-2013 11:57 AM

Welcome! Which country are you in? It would be useful to chelate the ends of your hair to remove any hard water deposits, you can get a swimmers or chelating shampoo or you can try a vinegar/ citric acid rinse. This may help soften them up somewhat.

Proven beneficial ingredients for colour damaged hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed proteins, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. You can use pure coconut oil and gelatin (hydrolysed protein) from the grocery store for a deep treatment or purchase a regular product.
Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products

If you are in Europe Schwarzkopf Gliss (Kur) ultimate volume conditioner contains hydrolysed protein and panthenol
"Water, cetearyl alcohol, hydrolyzed collagen, panthenol, cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed keratin, isopropyl myristate, behonoyl PG-trimonium chloride, citric acid, VP/VA copolymer, phenoxyethanol, behentrimonium chloride, sodium methylparaben, hexylene glycol, fragrance, polyquaternium-37, dicaprylyl carbonate, hexyl cinnamal, amyl cinnamal, limonene, linalool, benzyl salicylate."

L'Oreal Elvive Full Restore 5 repairing conditioner contains ceramides, protein and a water soluble silicone
"Water, cetyl alcohol, PEG-180, palm oil, hydroxy-ethylcellulose, dodecene, hydroxypropyltrimonium hydrolyzed wheat protein, arginine, chlorhexidine digluconate, poloxamer 407, linalool, isopropyl myristate, 2-Oleamido-1,3-Octadecanediol, myristyl alcohol, serine, cetrimonium chloride, cetyl esters, BHT, citric acid, butylphenyl methylpropional, lauryl PEG-PPG-18/18 methicone, glutamic acid, hexyl cinnamal, glyceryl linoleate, glyceryl oleate, glyceryl linolenate, fragrance."

Jimipe 09-15-2013 01:58 PM

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Attaching photos of drying hair just to sort of show how it currently looks. Just rinsed it well, used some conditioner to detangle, rinsed it all out apart from a touch on my dryer ends, added some gel, scrunched, plopped and then just clipped it up like this to be able to cook without getting my hair in my food. It is still quite damp and it seems like the weight stretches out the curls (much more "springy" ones earlier)

The plopp seemed to have stretched my lower layers, so no curls there, but last time I got the curls I have here in my bottom layers too. Just need to figure out how to get them all over and more evenly...

The ends felt a touch better, but it's clear that they are dryer, so yes, any advice greatly apprieciated. :)

I'm in Sweden, but sometimes in Spain, so yes, in Europe. :) Both of these products sounds like something I could get here around. How should I do with it? How long leaving things in? I've read I should use heat to open up the hair... Should I have the same amount all over my hair or mainly focus on the colour damaged ends? I've been used Head & Shoulders Schampoo once a week since forever, should I use it to try to repair the rest of my hair too?

Is it something that should be done regularly? Same thing with acid rinse, how do I know how often I need to do it? After periods of hard water? Sorry for the thousand questions, I know that it is to some extent everything is about knowing your hair but as I feel like I know absoutly nothing it all feels a bit confusing...

Thank you so much for your answer. :)

Firefox7275 09-15-2013 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimipe (Post 2209046)
Attaching photos of drying hair just to sort of show how it currently looks. Just rinsed it well, used some conditioner to detangle, rinsed it all out apart from a touch on my dryer ends, added some gel, scrunched, plopped and then just clipped it up like this to be able to cook without getting my hair in my food. It is still quite damp and it seems like the weight stretches out the curls (much more "springy" ones earlier)

The plopp seemed to have stretched my lower layers, so no curls there, but last time I got the curls I have here in my bottom layers too. Just need to figure out how to get them all over and more evenly...

The ends felt a touch better, but it's clear that they are dryer, so yes, any advice greatly apprieciated. :)

I'm in Sweden, but sometimes in Spain, so yes, in Europe. :) Both of these products sounds like something I could get here around. How should I do with it? How long leaving things in? I've read I should use heat to open up the hair... Should I have the same amount all over my hair or mainly focus on the colour damaged ends? I've been used Head & Shoulders Schampoo once a week since forever, should I use it to try to repair the rest of my hair too?

Is it something that should be done regularly? Same thing with acid rinse, how do I know how often I need to do it? After periods of hard water? Sorry for the thousand questions, I know that it is to some extent everything is about knowing your hair but as I feel like I know absoutly nothing it all feels a bit confusing...

Thank you so much for your answer. :)

Head & Shoulders, do you have a scalp problem? Are you diagnosed with seborrhoeic dermatitis (greasy dandruff, due to a yeast)? You might switch to Regenepure if so (sulphate free, contains the anti fungal ketoconazole).
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Curly Girl method has you using a leave in conditioner every wash, do you not do that?

The Gliss Kur conditioner I sometimes use as a leave in conditioner and get a lovely curl boost. Or you could also use it as a treatment because it is quite rich in protein, one of the other regulars has done that. Just start with the damaged ends, if that works well for you then you can try higher up the hair. How often is a case of experimenting to see what your hair likes, start with once a week perhaps. You can use heat if you wish, these should help
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Protein Conditioners for hair: part 2 of 2

Jimipe 09-17-2013 12:31 PM

Thank you again for all the help! :)

Basicly, I have super-super dry skin and tend to react to all sort of stuff. When I was around 12 my mum decided I had to wash my hair at least twice a week, preferably 3, and at the same time I started to get white flaky stuff from my scalp. So, then I "had" to use H&S and have really just kept on since then. I have now realised that it probably just contributed to the issue, as I got red areas all over my face after washing my hair with it, which took about 24 hours to go away, and as I cannot use regular soap on my body without it getting flaky and itchy, I should probably not use regular schampoo there either, and definitly not H&S. The reason I mentioned H&S was that I've realsed that it is pretty harsh on the hair...

I don't have the medical fungus-dandruff issues, I know how the look. I do have a "medical" schampoo which is sulfate free and silicone free that should work in case I would need it, but so far I have really no flaky stuff on my scalp, which never happened before. Which really just makes me believe that what I need is to stop drying my scalp out...

So, I have now gone a week since my last conditioner-wash and I have no flaky stuff that I can scrape from my scalp at all...Which seems close to a miracle for me...

I don't have any leave-in conditioner. I was adviced somewhere else to start with as few products as possible to get a feel for what my hair liked, plus as my hair still looks more like a 2 than 3 I thought leave in might be too heavy for it? Would just not rinsing out all of my heavier condition be good enough to start with?

And, I will see if I can find one of those products and try it. :) Thank you so much for all the help. Really really appreciate it.

Firefox7275 09-17-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimipe (Post 2209602)
Thank you again for all the help! :)

Basicly, I have super-super dry skin and tend to react to all sort of stuff. When I was around 12 my mum decided I had to wash my hair at least twice a week, preferably 3, and at the same time I started to get white flaky stuff from my scalp. So, then I "had" to use H&S and have really just kept on since then. I have now realised that it probably just contributed to the issue, as I got red areas all over my face after washing my hair with it, which took about 24 hours to go away, and as I cannot use regular soap on my body without it getting flaky and itchy, I should probably not use regular schampoo there either, and definitly not H&S. The reason I mentioned H&S was that I've realsed that it is pretty harsh on the hair...

I don't have the medical fungus-dandruff issues, I know how the look. I do have a "medical" schampoo which is sulfate free and silicone free that should work in case I would need it, but so far I have really no flaky stuff on my scalp, which never happened before. Which really just makes me believe that what I need is to stop drying my scalp out...

So, I have now gone a week since my last conditioner-wash and I have no flaky stuff that I can scrape from my scalp at all...Which seems close to a miracle for me...

I don't have any leave-in conditioner. I was adviced somewhere else to start with as few products as possible to get a feel for what my hair liked, plus as my hair still looks more like a 2 than 3 I thought leave in might be too heavy for it? Would just not rinsing out all of my heavier condition be good enough to start with?

And, I will see if I can find one of those products and try it. :) Thank you so much for all the help. Really really appreciate it.

There are many different scalp complaints, and mild moderate and severe forms which can look quite different, even have different symptoms in different people. If you do not have seborrhoeic dermatitis (greasy dandruff, caused by a yeast) you do not need a medicated shampoo at all, in fact that can worsen other scalp complaints. If it returns please get a formal diagnosis rather than blindly amateur treating.

Many of us use our rinse out conditioner as a leave in conditioner. How much you need depends on your hair, I am porous so needs loads of leave in conditioner.

Jimipe 09-25-2013 09:51 AM

I did a version of a citric acid rinse (I think) last weekend following the CG book by mixing lemon juice with my conditioner and it actually did more or less miracles. The last 4-6 inches of my hair no longer feels weird but nice, soft and almost like the rest of my hair. When running my fingers up along a hair the bottom part still feels a bit more rough than the top, but clearly not as much as before and it behaves a lot better in general.

Think I'm slowly getting the hang of co-washing too. Due to my very thick (=a lot)hair I apparently need to rinse out in sections to get all conditioner out after using it n my scalp. While the bottom part of my hair sucks in all conditioner left the top part in better condition does not like it. I also used my creamier conditioner as leave in, but made sure to wash of my fingers inbetween so that I don't "move up" too much from my ends to the top of my head, which worked out really well.

Also tried a sugar scrub (mxing some sugar into my wash-out conditioner to use on my scalp) to get all dry flakes out (I have really no fat in my scalp, it's only my hair that gets slightly greasy in any way after at least a week without a hair wash) and it also worked out really well. It seems like the itchyness and the dryness I'm so used to is slowly disappearing too, or at least getting better. I'm getting more an more sure of that my flakyness is due to nothing else than just dry skin.

Will try the protein conditioner today to see how that works out. Got the Schwarzkoph Gliss Kur one to try.

My current challenge seems to be to get the bottom part of my hair to curl, as it seems to be "weighed down" by the sheer weight of the top section and plopping does not seem to help. Maybe the protein treatment might make a difference there too...? One thing at a time... :)


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