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Old 10-04-2013, 07:18 AM   #1
 
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Default Trying to shampoo less again

I tried to do no shampoo years ago and it failed horribly. I just didn't have the right data to make it successful.

Tried again when I first learned of CG a few months ago and my scalp got really itchy and broke out. Yup 30 years old and still have lots of zits! I think I wasn't massaging my scalp enough while conditioning.

So now I'm going to try and wash every 4th day for a couple of weeks and see how that goes.

Yesterday I used TM Naturals (new formula) and my hair was frizzy!

Today I used Loreal cowash and time will tell how frizzy my hair will be. It's still drying.

Does it make sense to have frizzier hair when you don't shampoo? Or am I imagining it?
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:36 AM   #2
 
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Personally, I don't find TN to be all that moisturizing. Frizz is usually because of dry hair or buildup. If your scalp breaks out, it wouldn't hurt to do a low poo when you feel you need it. It isn't failing to not use only conditioner - it's about taking the right care for it, whether it be low pooing once a week, once a month, once a year, or never.

Do you use a leave in? Do you seal your moisture in?
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Yes I use a Leave In every day. Not really sure about a sealer... My hair seems to have an issue with oils. They just make my hair greasy and icky. I think I have 2b hair, if that helps.

I'm been kicking around the idea of trying to do something with coconut oil again.

For leave in I usually rotate around
Marie Dean Mango butter stuff
Shea Moistures Milk Soothy
Curl Keeper (not really sure if that's a leave in)
CJ Aloe Fix

For gels that go on after the leave in
My homemade okra gel
AG recoil
Eco gel (just tried for the first time yesterday)
Easily a half dozen other gels that are CG approved but I can't remember the names right now.

Shampoos are
Trader Joes tingle stuff
Burts bees stuff
SM shampoo

Conditioner
Yes to carrots
TM naturals
Suave coconut
V05
Mane and tail (haven't actually tried this one yet)
Loreal co wash

I also try to do a yogurt/jello protein treatment once a week. Usually it actually happens every 1.5-2 weeks. Hopefully I can squeeze that in tonight.

I know I'm forgetting lots of products that I have squirreled away, but these are the ones that are in the shower and on the counter tops right now

I figure I'm going to commit to two weeks of shampooing every 4 days then take a check point. Is that enough time? I don't think my hair has any build up right now... but it's not feeling dry either. To much moisture or products just weighs it down. Can't there just be a magic wand? LOL
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Old 10-04-2013, 02:17 PM   #4
 
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I would suggest using one of your conditioners as a leave in. The products you are using as a leave in are basically stylers. So this would give you 3 layers of product, instead of 2. I would try laying off of the protein right now and see if that helps as well. Too much protein can dry your hair out and have a negative effect. HTH
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:50 AM   #5
 
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Yes I use a Leave In every day. Not really sure about a sealer... My hair seems to have an issue with oils. They just make my hair greasy and icky. I think I have 2b hair, if that helps.

I'm been kicking around the idea of trying to do something with coconut oil again.

For leave in I usually rotate around
Marie Dean Mango butter stuff
Shea Moistures Milk Soothy
Curl Keeper (not really sure if that's a leave in)
CJ Aloe Fix

For gels that go on after the leave in
My homemade okra gel
AG recoil
Eco gel (just tried for the first time yesterday)
Easily a half dozen other gels that are CG approved but I can't remember the names right now.

Shampoos are
Trader Joes tingle stuff
Burts bees stuff
SM shampoo

Conditioner
Yes to carrots
TM naturals
Suave coconut
V05
Mane and tail (haven't actually tried this one yet)
Loreal co wash

I also try to do a yogurt/jello protein treatment once a week. Usually it actually happens every 1.5-2 weeks. Hopefully I can squeeze that in tonight.

I know I'm forgetting lots of products that I have squirreled away, but these are the ones that are in the shower and on the counter tops right now

I figure I'm going to commit to two weeks of shampooing every 4 days then take a check point. Is that enough time? I don't think my hair has any build up right now... but it's not feeling dry either. To much moisture or products just weighs it down. Can't there just be a magic wand? LOL
What are your hair properties? What are you trying to achieve with the yoghurt and with the penetrating oil (coconut)? What do you mean by too much moisture - which products/ ingredients do you think are imparting this?

I agree with Sixelamy: leave in is shortform for leave in conditioner, so a product rich in the major emollients (fatty alcohols/ cationic surfactants). You are using two stylers/ curl definers instead of a leave in conditioner and a styler. L'Oreal co-wash is a cleansing product, not really a conditioner.

If you are easily weighed down you might be best avoiding ingredients that are prone to building up - especially butters and waxes (including cetyl esters).
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Thanks so much for the help! Guess it's time to rethink what I'm considering as a leave in. The protein treatments actually cut down on a lot of the frizz and make my curls nicer. If I cut those out I get limp even frizzier hair.

My hair properties... I've spend the past 8 months trying to figure that out! My best guess is low porosity and normal?

Guess I'm on a hunt for a lighter weight leave in. If I use the conditioners I have I think they will be way too heavy and leave my hair feeling icky.

I think the shampooing less has been working out ok... I still condition and detangle everyday. So far my scalp isn't itchy or breaking out. Not sure if the frizz is any less since I've been using a lot of gel for the past 2 days. Humidity has been awful. Wednesday it should get better.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:13 AM   #7
 
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Well I'm back to shampooing every day. It took about 8 days for my scalp to ich and break out in huge zits. Still hasn't healed up. LOL Plus my hair seems less frizzy when washed every day. As crazy as that sounds...
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Thanks so much for the help! Guess it's time to rethink what I'm considering as a leave in. The protein treatments actually cut down on a lot of the frizz and make my curls nicer. If I cut those out I get limp even frizzier hair.

My hair properties... I've spend the past 8 months trying to figure that out! My best guess is low porosity and normal?

Guess I'm on a hunt for a lighter weight leave in. If I use the conditioners I have I think they will be way too heavy and leave my hair feeling icky.

I think the shampooing less has been working out ok... I still condition and detangle everyday. So far my scalp isn't itchy or breaking out. Not sure if the frizz is any less since I've been using a lot of gel for the past 2 days. Humidity has been awful. Wednesday it should get better.
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Coconut oil is not worth bothering with if you have low porosity hair, it's penetrating and can reduce porosity which you may not benefit from.

My favourite protein-rich conditioner is not heavy as a leave in, it actually makes my curls bounce up. Personally I find products rich in oils, butters or waxes are much 'heavier'.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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