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Old 05-28-2014, 08:19 PM   #1
 
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I have 2c/3a thin, fine, colored, low porosity hair.

Been doing a loose, low-maintenance interpretation of CG for a few years now, (using Suave Naturals, Wen, the Sally "hairone" version, As I Am cleansing conditioner, etc. every other day or so) but about once a week, I get bogged down in oiliness and scalp gunk and do a cheat day with regular megadetergent shampoo.

After some further reading, it looks like I could use extra protein. probably going to pick up some v05 kiwi lime for a cheap experiment. any other suggestions for cowashing an oily mop?
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:00 PM   #2
 
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Did you read the "CG" book, or at least the introduction to it posted here? I'm telling you this because in the book she recommends "washing" only once a week to 10 days, so my first thought is that 1) you're co-washing too often and 2) thus over-stimulating your scalp AND over-conditioning your hair...

My own scalp has never been dry, especially during the summer when my oil production steps up, but in the beginning I never co-washed more than once a week. Because I started using a satin bonnet to sleep at night I was able to do 2nd and even 3rd day hair, only needing to refresh my curls the next day (and I didn't even use gel back in those days). In between co-washing I'd just give my hair a very thorough water rinse (with scalp massage) and reapply CO (a RO that I used as a LI).

These days I monitor how much CO I need by how easily (or not) my hair detangles once I'm under the shower. If it detangles very easily with just my fingers I will do a "water wash" and then use my RO as my LI, some days not all over my head, just on the canopy (top layer) and ends. So try pulling back from co-washing so often, sometimes "less is more"...
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:24 PM   #3
 
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hm. I did read the intro in the sticky, but my hair always seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

I have been washing so often *because* of extreme oil buildup. I had tried limiting it to water washes, and it brings my curl "back to life" after sleeping on it, but the roots tend to stay pretty unpleasant. (i should also add that this is without the use of any product.. I have been staying as wash-and-go as humanly possible; i am not sure whether that adds to or contraindicates the problem!)

It's been a while since i've properly experimented, though, so spacing out wash days some more is definitely on the table. thanks for the insight!
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:05 PM   #4
 
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It can take a few weeks for the scalp to normalize after not using shampoo... but since you've also been using it periodically idk... It may very well be that you'll have to stay on "modified CG", using shampoo to wash and CO in between, there's really nothing wrong with that if it gives you the desired results. But do take into account that for wavies who need to use shampoo it's advised to cover the hair with CO - unless your hair is oily too. And I advise that you dilute your shampoo, it's not only a more effective use to use it but a little less irritating to both scalp and hair.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:20 AM   #5
 
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this morning in the bathtub I realized that the time I was spending on my hair (or lack thereof really) had been making a lot of difference... stepping out of the bathroom with tendrils rather than a rat's nest this morning is already looking like a step in the right direction!

I used suave naturals coconut as the CO, and some As I Am as an RO, because it was feeling a little crispy.. the experiments continue.
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When you water wash, you should do at least as thorough a scalp massage as when you co-wash, which should be much more thorough than most people are used to doing with shampoo.

Also, I'd recommend trying VO5 Kiwi-Lime Conditioner for your co-wash. It seems to be the most cleansing conditioner out there, even though it isn't marketed as such, and you can probably find it in a dollar store for less than $1.

I had extremely high scalp oil production when I started CG. As a nurse, I always wanted to wash my hair after work in order to remove germs and goodness only knows what else. Then, after I'd slept on it, it would be doing wonky curly hair tricks, and refuse to reactivate with dampening, thanks to all the cones, so I'd wash it again most mornings (and wish I had on the mornings that I hadn't). Fortunately reading Curly Girl made me realize what was going on, and each time that I low-pooed, after rinsing, I would follow that with a co-wash (as the repeat stage in shampoo's usual instructions to lather, rinse, and repeat). I was shocked how quickly the oiliness settled down, and was able to just co-wash more and more frequently. Since switching to VO5 Kiwi-Lime, I rarely have a clue how long it's been since my last low-poo because it's such an infrequent occurrence.
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:50 AM   #7
 
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found some kiwi lime squeeze at the dollar tree! waiting to try it for the next few days is gonna drive me crazy, but I'm going to try to be good.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:13 PM   #8
 
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so I cowashed today with the V05. My hair seemed to drink it up... lol. Tempted to try Cure Care, because if I'm going to use it in such volume, it's slightly cheaper. Followed it up with AIA as RO again. The improvement in curl is amazing to me already. Tried putting some AIA curling jelee on it while wet... I don't know if i did it right... been afraid to SOTC because the last time I tried, it ended up looking relaxed, dirty, and a right mess. I took a day 1 picture for ongoing comparison.



Anyway, on to the point of the post: I'm concerned that I'm not feeling the "slip" that I read folks describing in some of their other posts while washing... it's definitely improved, but still a bit tumbleweed-y, for lack of a better comparison. Is that something I have to be patient for, until my hair adjusts? Or does it mean I should be switching up part of my routine? Maybe get a deep treatment? Thanks in advance for any advice, and in retrospect for all given so far!
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:34 PM   #9
 
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If your hair "drank it up" it can't be low porosity... and because it has collagen in it it may have helped with curling, that could also mean that your hair had some damage in it. Someone else who also just tried it for the first time had the same experience and I told her what I do is, believe it or not, dilute it in water in an applicator bottle and that way I don't have to use as much. Very often you can get it at CVS and other stores for under $1 so, really, it shouldn't be a big deal to need a little more, the As I Am costs at least 6x more...

Was your hair chemically processed in any way before starting CG or were you straightening with heat regularly? Swimming in a pool, etc.? That could explain why for you it doesn't have all the "slip" you expected, but I can tell you that my hair is color-treated but it finger detangles very very easily with the KLS. Of course, I know how to care for it so I don't ever let it dry out or anything, maybe you just need to do some DC, try a creamy one that also contains some protein.

Your pic is a little dark so I couldn't see your curls too well but you sound happier with the results so keep trying, not everyone "takes off" smoothly with this routine, some have to give it time. Keep reading posts here, even older ones and you'll learn a lot that will help you in your hair journey.

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Old 06-03-2014, 04:49 AM   #10
 
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You're right about the porosity; I was guessing based on how fine it is and the "feel a strand backwards" and water float methods.. which I have since read are no substitute for a microscopic check.

Damage is definitely a part of my hair's life... last year at this time I was bleach-blonde and putting shades of manic panic over it. Then I realized I was going gray. >.> I dye less frequently than the 8 weeks I know some people commit to, but also had been flat ironing at least once a week.

I'm actually finishing up the AIA and don't plan to buy more... it was a gift from my well-meaning mom, because a clerk at Sally's assured her it worked magic on curls. It smells nice but seems a bit heavy for my hair. I was just shocked at the amount it looks like I used out of the KLS bottle on a single wash! I forget that I'll only be using it once or twice a week, and I did get it for a dollar, so no biggie. Just VERY different from what I'm used to!

I'll look for a deep conditioner. Thanks for the advice and encouragement!
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Old 06-03-2014, 05:16 AM   #11
 
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I was going to comment on the low porosity, too. Because you said your hair wasn't a "rat's nest," that one time, I was doubting the low porosity. I know that my low porosity hair never tangles. I think it's because the cuticle is so tight. The second indicator was talking about slip. That's another thing that's of little concern to most folks with low porosity hair.

Other comment is on the Wen "clone." Read your ingredients. Pretty sure it has Amodimethicone. That can be an issue for a lot of people. If you're only cowashing, it could be causing build up (and more scalp issues.) The good news is that you should only need coco b to remove it. The KMF Whenever Conditioner has coco b. You can buy a 32 oz bottle for $11 online. It may be something you want to put in your rotation (if you're going to use the a-cone.)
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:20 AM   #12
 
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yep, I noticed the amodimethicone a couple months ago, stopped using, did a final sulfapoo and mass product giveaway to my friends shortly after.

I guess my problems with both buildup and manageability have to do with how I've been misreading the signals my hair has been giving me and misunderstanding things I read. I'm such a goof.

Glad to have a group of folks to help set me straight, though.
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