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Old 11-24-2009, 06:04 AM   #1
 
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Red face Can anyone else with oily hair/scalp help me through the transition period?

I really, really want CG to work for me...but my hair has always, always been so oily (I have overly oily skin, too)...I don't know if I can make it through this transition period...my hair feels disgusting by early afternoon when I co-wash...and water washing (which I tried this morning) isn't much better...unfortunately, since the BC (hair is now shoulder length) I have to do *something* with it every day (wet/wash/etc)...maybe I'm oc'ing??

Anywho...any other ladies (or fellas ) with oily hair/scalp successfully transitioned to CG??
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:00 PM   #2
 
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Try adding a little lemon juice to your co-wash. It's mildly clarifying and should help with the oil. How often do you co-wash? Do you always use a leave-in?

The transition period is a pain but it's so worth it in the end! Good luck!
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:09 PM   #3
 
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I'm relatively new and don't have personal experience with this problem. I'll tell you suggestions. If you don't get many responses to this thread, try posting this question in the general discussion for curly hair.

Are you scrubbing with the cowash. I've known a few people who were having problems with oily scalp who weren't scrubbing enough. Scrub with your finger tips and not your nails. Try flipping your head forward to cowash. Somehow that makes it easier to access your scalp. Most of us are used to letting the suds of sulfate shampoos do the work. With a cowash, you have to put in a bit of effort.
If scrubbing isn't your issue, I'd suggest a low poo (non sulfate shampoo). I see you are part 2c. Most 2's use a low poo about once a week. Many 2's low poo 2-3 times a week. You may always need an occasional low poo. As your scalp changes, you may find you can faze it out. Low pooing will most likely make your scalp's transition time longer. But I say why fight with your hair. It might take a bit longer, but it won't be a huge battle. Giovanni is a commonly used low poo. Many people use Giovanni tea tree triple treat. Target sells travel sizes for 2$ in their health food isle.
You may want a second opinion from someone with more experience.
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:17 PM   #4
 
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If you can just put up with it for a while, your scalp will eventually quit pumping out so much oil. It took mine 2-3 weeks. That said, some 2's and 3A's just find they can't go strictly CG and need to low poo occasionally. I'm one of them, both because of my hair getting too weighed down too quickly and because seborrheic dermatitis on my scalp won't allow me to, mostly the latter. I do use GTTTT shampoo for the occasional low-poo (once every 7-10 days for me) and the GTTTT conditioner for co-washing - it's more cleansing than other conditioners I've tried. You definitely do need to scrub your scalp well when co-washing then rinse all of that conditioner away to get rid of the dirt and impurities. Then apply more rinse-out conditioner if you wish.

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Thank you so much for your responses! I do have the GTTTT conditioner, and have used it for co-washing...it does have glycerin, so I'm shelving it temporarily while I see if glycerin is a problem for me...but I may just have to say "screw it" and start using it again ...

I do scrub the heck out of my hair with the pads of my fingers when I co-wash, but I will definitely have to try scrubbing upside down...I rinse and generally style upside down, makes sense I'd wash that way, too

curlyjenn: I co-wash every day or every other day...today I didn't, and my hair is even worse than when I do I do also use a leave-in AND a separate rinse out...but I'm going to play with just using my suave or GTTTT as co/rinse out, and then my LI and see what that does...one of my theories is I'm using too much product...

auntnett: my hair gets weighed down soooo easily! I don't think it would be so bad if I didn't have so darn much of it I've thought of trying the GTTTT 'poo, since I do like the co...but I've heard it can be drying??
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Old 11-24-2009, 05:48 PM   #6
 
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Hi, buckeye... I'm a lots-of-it, fine-haired wavy gal who also has an oil-prone scalp and hair that gets weighed down super-easily. Judging by your signature, your curl pattern is stronger than mine (I'm a 2a-b, with some patches of 1c) but I think I can help with the general oily scalp/weighed down hair issues.

There is no doubt that the transition phase sucks, or that it lasts longer than seems fair (it was about a month for me - though it was worth it. I used to have to shampoo daily, now I can easily go 2-3 days between low-poos), but the real truth about the CG method - which you may find reiterated elsewhere on the boards - is that despite how many curly gals (and more than a few wavies) can't imagine life without co-washing, it doesn't work for everyone... particularly those of us wavies with a tendency towards oily scalps &/or hair that gets weighed down/overconditioned very easily. For us, going full-on CG is just too much (*way too much!*) moisturizing for our scalps/hair to handle. Another truth? Leave-ins (and curl-creams) aren't for everyone either. Again, for a lot of us fine-haired &/or more oily-scalped wavies, those types of products are just "too much"... especially when "layered" under additional styling product(s). Personally speaking, if I want to absolutely *guarantee* a bad hair day all I have to do is co-wash, use a leave-in and then add styling product(s) to the mix. UGH. Greasies central! It matters not one bit that everything I used was expressly designed for my hair/scalp type or that I used a teensy amount of it... it's just too much. Period.

I've found, through much trial-&-error, that what generally works best for me is to low-poo 1-3 times a week [depending on weather/time of year, workouts, hormones (TOM pretty much guarantees more oilies), etc.], use a lightweight rinse-out conditioner on the ends/length and *one* lightweight styling product for curl/wave definition, a bit of hold and frizz control (though I do alternate between different *types* of styling products depending on weather/time of year, particular hairstyle, etc.). Once a week(ish) I do a deep conditioning treatment with a heavy-duty moisturizing conditioner. Anything more than that is just asking for bad hair &/or the oilies/droopies to ensue, for me at least.

Rather than co-wash, I usually do one of two things: decide it's a ponytail/braid/bun hairstyle day (I almost never get true 2nd-day hair) or water-wash/rinse. It's basically a co-wash, without the co. I still condition the ends/length, I just use less conditioner than I would on a regular wash day (same with whatever styling product I use).

As far as ways to ease the transition (&/or substitute for co-washing), using lemon juice is a great suggestion... though if you're a brunette or red-head (natural or dyed) I'd go with an apple cider vinegar rinse instead (lemon juice can tend to lighten/"bleach" your hair). Baking soda is also a great anti-oily/build-up item, though it is one best used sparingly. Whenever I want to do a scalp clarifying treatment I just mix a bit with my low-poo, scrub gently, rinse well, (always!) follow it up with an ACV rinse and a deep conditioning treatment on the ends/length.

As far as particular products go, so far I'm really liking the Giovanni Root 66 and Loreal Vive-Pro Nutri-Gloss for Wavy/Curly Hair conditioners (very lightweight, volumizing - though the Loreal is just a bit "heavier"), Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee (good fairly strong gel without a lot of "crunch") and Aveda Phomollient (hands down the best mousse I've *ever* used... absolutely great for fine hair/wavy hair).

Hope this helps!!
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Hm. It sounds like you have fine hair, and if so, you may have to use a low-poo. How is the shampoo bar working out for you? Do you find your hair looks/feels better when you use it? I have no real experience with it (my hair is porous, so my experiment was a disaster), but I know a lot of fine curlies have had good success with it.
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Old 11-24-2009, 06:40 PM   #8
 
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curlyjenn10, while I can't speak for buckeye, I absolutely *love* my shampoo bar (that sound you hear is Struttswife shreaking in horror, LOL.)! My hair definitely feels/looks better on days I use it. I've tried a bunch of other non-sulfate, gentle low-poos - across a spectrum of price points - and, so far, I haven't found a single one I'm crazy about. They all seem either way too heavy (made for true dry-scalped curlies) or not heavy enough (no "slip" whatsoever), if that makes any sense. I guess I just can't get past the lack of lather. Most of the low-poos I've encountered thus far have little to no lather and it always seems I either end up using twice as much as I actually need, or ripping my hair out in order to get the product evenly distributed across my scalp. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of tons of plastic liter bottles cluttering up my shower/recycling bin. I have none of those issues using my poo-bar.

I completely understand why shampoo bars don't work for everyone (&/or why a lot of stylists don't like them) but you're right: a lot of fine-haired wavies/curlies (including me) get really good results with them. About the only down-side I've found is that hair color fades a bit more quickly using them... but for me that's a small price to pay for how great my hair looks/feels/handles in general.
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curlyjenn: I just tried the shampoo bar this morning - my hair felt like a tangled mess in the shower, so I loaded on the co after the ACV rinse...but yes, it does seem to make my hair very soft! jury's out on how it treated my scalp...I'll be able to get a better idea of that once my hair is completely dry

pixistix: thank you SO much for your responses! even though my hair isn't fine (I don't think - when I did the strand test, it's definitely noticeable against any background, and not translucent at ALL ), it sounds like we have a lot of the same issues! I will definitely be scaling back on the product(s) I use at one time...I kind of failed at that this morning, but I wanted to make sure I had enough moisture after the 'poo bar/acv rinse...
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:02 PM   #10
 
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buckeye, you're so very welcome!

I know exactly what you mean about your hair feeling like a "tangly mess" using the shampoo bar. Bars are definitely a different sort of shampooing experience; it can take a bit of getting used to. Rest assured that the "tangly mess" sensation is most pronounced while in the shower/hair is wet. In my regular shampoo days I *always* had tangles pretty much all the time and since switching to bars it's basically a non-issue for me now.

As far as how bars treat your scalp, you'll get the best results using one formulated to address your specific hair/scalp needs. Good bars for oily hair are ones that contain essential oils such as: lavender, rosemary, patchouli (personally hate the smell but can tolerate it in small doses blended with other things), tea tree, ylang-ylang and lemon (citrus in general). If you also have sensitive skin/scalp look for bars that combine the above EOs with ones such as rose and chamomile.

Hopefully you've been able to find styling products you like and that work well for you. That's honestly been my biggest challenge/frustration since going CG.
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:02 AM   #11
 
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Thank you so much for your responses! I do have the GTTTT conditioner, and have used it for co-washing...it does have glycerin, so I'm shelving it temporarily while I see if glycerin is a problem for me...but I may just have to say "screw it" and start using it again ...

I do scrub the heck out of my hair with the pads of my fingers when I co-wash, but I will definitely have to try scrubbing upside down...I rinse and generally style upside down, makes sense I'd wash that way, too

curlyjenn: I co-wash every day or every other day...today I didn't, and my hair is even worse than when I do I do also use a leave-in AND a separate rinse out...but I'm going to play with just using my suave or GTTTT as co/rinse out, and then my LI and see what that does...one of my theories is I'm using too much product...

auntnett: my hair gets weighed down soooo easily! I don't think it would be so bad if I didn't have so darn much of it I've thought of trying the GTTTT 'poo, since I do like the co...but I've heard it can be drying??

I don't find it to be, no more often than I use it. When I do use it, I usually apply conditioner to the length first for some protection, and I condition well afterward with either Aubrey GPB protein conditioner or one of the Biolage conditioning balm knock-offs.

If you don't need the GTTTT for your scalp, another sulfate-free shampoo that I love and is very gentle is Terax Collagene shampoo - it's expensive, but takes very little, so the cost isn't that bad unless you're using it frequently. Unfortunately, I do need the GTTTT, so I seldom get to enjoy it. I ordered mine from drugstore.com, but you may be able to find it at Ulta or elsewhere locally.
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Well, for me, I tried going no-poo, but my scalp/hair just did not like it! It got dandruffy, oily, greasy, and just in bad health! I got Johnson's Baby shampoo--it took care of everything without damaging my hair (and even benefiting it with good nutrients it needs).
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I agree about some of us just needing shampoo, but Johnson's makes my hair too soft, plus I don't want the sulfate or the glylcerin:

Water, PEG 80 Sorbitan Laurate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, Glycerin, Lauroamphoglycinate, PEG 150 Distearate, Sodium Laureth 13 Carboxylate, Fragrance, Polyquaternium 10, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium 15, Citric Acid, D&C Yellow 10, D&C Orange 4
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Just wanted to come back and update...close to 2 weeks ago, I did a baking soda clarification/acv rinse, which made my hair feel so CLEAN and LIGHT ever since then, it's like a switch was flipped...little to no oily scalp, and co-washing seems to be working so, so much better! of course, that probably coincides with the dew points getting lower but I'll pretend it's going CG and finally adjusting now my goal is to eliminate all/most humectants from my products, and see how that works...with the dews getting lower and lower, it's wreaking havoc on the moisture in my hair!

I've also turned a corner in my skincare by taking an all natural approach...I'm just mad I didn't learn how to truly control my oiliness until now! all the products I've been using for the last 30-something years were just exacerbating the problem, not really controlling it!

oh, and today marks exactly one month with NO SHAMPOO!!
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Buckeye, hooray! Such great news that things are working out with your hair regimine.

I'm a 2a and giving it a try (for the second time). Your thread here has given me so much info to go on..

Just had a few questions. What shampoo bar are you guys using? The CV ones? When I was reading about CG months ago everyone seemed to be using these.
And how do I make the ACV rinse? Doesn't it make your hair smell?

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Buckeye, hooray! Such great news that things are working out with your hair regimine.

I'm a 2a and giving it a try (for the second time). Your thread here has given me so much info to go on..

Just had a few questions. What shampoo bar are you guys using? The CV ones? When I was reading about CG months ago everyone seemed to be using these.
And how do I make the ACV rinse? Doesn't it make your hair smell?

Thanks!
yay! I'm glad I could give someone hope

I used a soap bar sample from kathymack - I didn't like it the 1st time I used it, but I may give it another try now that my scalp seems to have normalized! I have heard wonderful things about the CV bars, though!

for the ACV rinse, I just put 1 tbsp ACV into a measuring cup and take it in the shower with me...after I clarify, I add a cup of warm water to the measuring cup, and pour the mix over my head, making sure my hair is fully saturated...I then condition and rinse as usual! and it does smell a little when you do it, but the smell is completely gone (at least for me!) by the time I'm done doing my hair
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