Nov 14, 2011 - I have used this for a week over DevaCurl One C as a leave-in, various Marie Dean leave-ins and Sevi. It has consistently given me volume, shine and a fairly strong hold with soft hair. I did try Angell over it once and it felt producty. I have not found a need for an additional gel. I get great clumps with it and nice spirals. I do use several pumps of it but the bottle doesn't seem to be dropping quickly. I had gotten away from Deva but this has been a pleasant surprise. Only 4 curls because I need to experiment longer.