couldn't agree with you more. don't love these products. Their conditioner couldn't be more unhelpful. z-e-r-o slip/detangling help.... get on the swap board and get yourself something good b/c a lot of people DO like it!
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last relaxer: November 2008
big chop: November 2009
4a, fine, dense, teeny weeny coils with low porosity