I used the Salon Care Extra Firm (blue) for the second time. Today it provided practically no hold for me. I used it with no leave in under. The first time I used it a few weeks ago, I was having a severe frizzing problem and found out it was due to too much leave in - in summer. This gel has no humectant in it, which I enjoy in the summer. So perhaps some KY (generic) under it would have worked better for me? The good thing I can say is it has no alcohol in to because the H.E. Set Me Up was drying me out after continued use, which I can only attribute to the alcohol.

Mrs. Bach, I can't rave about this gel for my hair. If you live on Long Island I'll let you have a big old dollip of mine... I don't see it getting too much use here.
3A, Protein Senitive, Low Porosity,
Wash: Suave Naturals Conds (excluding Coconut), CVSB
Rinse out/Leave In: GVP Cond. Balm, KCKT,
Style: Naturelle Gel(winter HG), KCCC (summer HG), Flaxseed gel
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